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#1 Ali Huzaifa

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 08:07 AM

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Please Note: I have not penned down article below. It is copied from source considered as authentic and true lover of Ahlebait. So, I do not deserve any credit for hardwork below.

Bismillah'hir Rahman'nir Raheem / Ya Mohammad / Ya Ali


IMAM ISMAIL a.s. BIN IMAM JAFAR SADIK a.s


Abu Muhammad Ismail was born in Medina between 100/719 and 103/722. Imam Ismail is also known as an absolute Lord (az-azbab-i itlaq). He was born by the first wife of Imam Jafar Sadik, named Fatima bint al-Hussain al-Athram bin al-Hasan bin Ali. Shahrastani (an Ithna Asheri scholar) (1076-1153) writes in Kitab al-milal wa’l nihal that during the lifetime of Fatima, Imam Jafar Sadik never got another marriage like Muhammad with Khadija and Ali with Fatima. Where else Hz. Musa Kazim was son of women slave (women slave - bought from market or won in war booty) with name Hamidah Khātūn. Hatim bin Imran bin Zuhra (d. 498/1104) writes in al-Usul wa’l Ahakam that, "Ismail was the most perfect, the most learned and the most excellent of the sons of Jafar as-Sadik."

ALL THE FATIMI ISMAILI MUSTALI IMAMS ARE SON OF PROPER & FAZILA MUSLIMA MOTHER. Where else last six Imam's of Ithna Asheri are son of slave-women.

The early life of Imam Ismail is obscure except few fragmented records. Asraru’n-Nutaqa writes, "When Ismail completed 7 years of age, the Lord of religion (Jafar Sadik) declared him the master of religion and his heir-apparent, as his next in descent. He guarded him from his other sons, kept him away from the contact with the public, and his education went on under his own supervision." According to Marifat Akhbari’r-Rijal (comp. after 280/890) that in the absence of his father from Medina, Ismail acted on behalf of his father as the head of family. It is also related in Uyun’l-Akhbar (comp. 842/1438) that Mualli bin Khunyas, a wealthy Iranian and a famous narrator was killed and his property was confiscated by the order of the Abbasid governor of Medina, Daud bin Ali. Masudi (d. 346/958) also asserts in his Kitab al-Tanbih wal Ishraf (Leiden, 1894, p. 329) that Daud bin Ali had killed many persons by order of Abul Abbas, the first Abbasid caliph and the number of victims was about eighty persons. While in the matter of Mualli bin Khunyas, however, Imam Jafar Sadik was absent from Medina, therefore, Imam Ismail solvedthe dispute in 133/751.

Riyah bin Uthman al-Murri, the Abbasid governor in Medina burnt the house of Ahl al-Bayt, and Imam Ismail was decided to be killed. Ahmad bin Ali Najashi (d. 450/1058) writes in his Kitabal-Rijal (Bombay, 1917, pp. 81-2) that once caliph Mansur summoned Imam Jafar Sadik and hisson Ismail to Iraq, where he found no chance to kill them, and thus their lives were spared, butBassam bin Abdullah al-Sayrafi was executed instead. Muhammad Hussain al-Muzzafari quotesImam Jafar Sadik as saying in his al-Sadik (2:119) that, "Ismail was planned two times for killing, but I prayed for his life, and God protected him."

The succession issue of Imam Jafar Sadik has become a mystery in the extant sources. We are faced with fact as with legend and myth, conjecture, hypothesis and prejudice of the historians. Committed in the heat of strife by the Shi’ite authors, they were continuously repeated by those who followed them. And finally, all this was inherited by the orientalists, who, after relying toomuch on these crumbs, endorsed many of these errors.

Imam Ismail was declared several times by his father as his successor. According to Asraru’n-Nutaqa (comp. 380/990), Imam Jafar Sadik said, "He is the Imam after me, and what you learnfrom him is just the same as if you have learnt it from me." It is also related that when the healthof Imam Jafar Sadik became impaired, he summoned the most trusted amongst his followers, andthose members of his family who were alive, and did what his predecessors had done, i.e., hehanded over the authority of Imamate to Ismail. The most trusted followers of Imam Jafar Sadik supported Imam Ismail, notably Abu Hamza Thabit bin Abu Sufiya Dinar as-Samali (d. 150/767).

W. Ivanow (1886-1970) writes in Ismailis and Qarmatians (JBBRAS, Bombay, 1940, p. 57)that, "According to the overwhelming majority of the available sources, both sectarian and of their opponents, Imam Jafar appointed as his successor his eldest son Ismail, by his first wife, a highly aristocratic lady, great grand-daughter of Hasan." W. Montgomery Watt writes in The Formative Period of Islamic Thought (Edinburgh, 1973, p. 271) that, "The Ismailites derive their name from the fact that they consider that the Imam after Jafar as-Sadik was his son Ismail and not Musa al-Kazim."

The historians refer to the tradition that Imam Ismail had died during his father’s lifetime, but thefollowers of Imam Ismail refused to believe this rumour. Shahrastani (1076-1153) writes in Kitabal-milal wa’l nihal (London, 1984, p. 144) that, "Some of them (followers of Ismail) say that he did not die, but that his father had declared that he had died to save him from the Abbasid caliphs; and that he had held a funeral assembly to which Mansur’s governor in Medina was made a witness."

During the rule of the first Abbasid caliph, Abdullah as-Saffah, the Alids in Medina kept quiet andaffairs remained stationary. But when Mansur assumed the power in 136/753, the Alidsembittered by the usurpation of their rights. Thus, an-Nafs az-Zakia, the son of Abdullah al-Mahdrefused to take the oath of allegiance to Mansur. It was the month of Ramzan, 145/December, 762 when the Abbasid commander Isa bin Musa spurred his horses towards Medina to crush theuprising of an-Nafs az-Zakia. It was very critical moment, and many families evacuated the city. On this juncture, Imam Ismail a.s. also managed to leave Medina secretly with the outgoing caravans. Tabari (3:226) and Baladhuri (d. 279/892) in Ansab al-Ashraf (5:617) write that, "On 12th Ramzan, 145 (December 4, 762), Isa bin Musa camped at al-Jurf, where he entered intocorrespondence with many notables of Medina, including some Alids. Many of them left the city with their families and some even joined Isa, a move which created a sense of insecurity and led toa large scale evacuation of Medina." When the veritable fighting took place with the Abbasids, an-Nafs az-Zakia was left with only a small number of his followers. Tabari (3:249) writes that, "His followers took to flight, and he himself was killed on the 14th Ramzan, 145 (December 6, 762). "His brother, Ibrahim, wandering from Medina to Aden, Syria, Mosul, Anbar until he finally settled in Basra in 145/762 to propagate for his brother. He also rebelled two months after his brother’s revolt, and seized control of Basra.

Tradition has it that Imam Ismail went to Basra after leaving Medina, but it seems improbable asafter the defeat of an-Nafs az-Zakia in Medina in 145/762, his brother Ibrahim mustered a largearmy in Basra, hatching a massive revolt against the Abbasids, therefore, Imam Ismail must havehidden himself elsewhere in Arabia, and when the condition had become congenial, he wouldhave harboured himself in Basra. Ibrahim left Basra for Kufa after some time, but was killed in a battle at Bakhamri, about halfway between Wasit and Kufa.

The critical examination of the sources suggests that the Abbasids had added a twist to this puzzleafter few years with the help of the predeceased tradition for Imam Ismail, broadcastingeverywhere that Imam Jafar Sadik had changed the nass (investiture) in favour of his other son,Musa Kazim. This newly contrived theory took its early nourishment among the people wholacked the concept of the Imamate. The later sources, trusting on it, however endorse threedifferent reasons for the change of nass i.e., Imam Ismail’s indulgence in drink in 138/755, hisintriguing in the extremists circles in 143/760, and his death during his father’s life time in145/762. It deserves to note that some bombastic stories of Imam Ismail’s indulgence in drink and his alleged association with the extremists have been condemned by many historians.Mufazal bin Umar as-Sayrafi however relates that Imam Jafar Sadik, in view of his son’s piety hadalready warned the people in Medina that, "Do not wrong Ismail" (la tajafu Ismaila).

Caliph Mansur had not yet exhausted in his plan, for he had another card to play, and there is areason to suppose that the story of change of nass had been concocted in the Zaidite orbits. It wasrolled in public most probably after the death of Imam Jafar Sadik in 148/765, otherwise theImam himself would have refuted it. It aimed to force Imam Ismail to expose to repudiate theclaim of Musa Kazim. But, as we have heretofore seen that Imam Ismail had tenaciously determined not to expose as it was a diplomacy of the Abbasids to arrest him. Consequently, thepredeceased tradition took its root. Imam Ismail’s exposition would have also given free rope tothe Abbasids to upbraid Imam Jafar Sadik, who is said to have produced a document to caliph Mansur, bearing signature of the persons, testifying the alleged death of his son.

The Abbasids had gained power on the slogans of the Alids. Later, it took a political shape to theright of caliphate in the house of Abbas on religious ground. Abbas as-Saffah was to be succeeded by his son like the Imamate’s doctrine in the house of Ali bin Abu Talib from father to son.Conversely, Abbas as-Saffah was succeeded by his brother, Mansur. He determined to have asame effect that a brother could succeed by a brother. Thus, the Abbasids seems to have put into circulation a tradition of change of nass in the house of Imam Jafar Sadik by putting forth the claim of Musa Kazim. Thus, the Abbasids gained more than one benefit. Many Shi’ite followers, who had acquired the knowledge of the doctrines of Imamate from Imam Muhammad Bakir andImam Jafar Sadik, however, ruled out the theory of change of nass.

Imam Jafar Sadik is also reported to have said: Inlillah fi kullo shain bida illah imamah means, "Verily, God makes changes in everything except in the matter of Imam." It tends to prove thatonce Ismail had been designated as an Imam, the spiritual authority of Imam Jafar Sadik came tothe hands of his successor, and the status of Imam Jafar Sadik becomes same as he was beforeacquiring spiritual authority from his father. This point merits further indication that Imam JafarSadik had no power to cancel, revoke or alter the first nass in favour of Imam Ismail, andtherefore, the tradition of change of nass carries no historicity. The European scholar Marshall Hodgson writes in The Order of the Assassins (Netherland, 1955, p. 63) that, "Such a withdrawal (of nass ) evidently was not historical." Nawbakhti (d. 310/912) writes in Kitab Firaq al-Shi’a that, "Yet another version is that by appointing his son, Ismail, as an Imam, Jafar Sadik thus resigned. Ismail was therefore a real Imam, and after him, the Imamate has to pass to his son, Muhammad." Shahrastani (1076-1153) also writes in Kitab al-milal wa’l-nihal (p. 144) that, "Designation (nass), however, cannot be withdrawn, and has the advantage that the Imamate remains in the descendants of the person designated, to the exclusion of others. Therefore, the Imam after Ismail is Muhammad bin Ismail."

The Abbasids brought Musa Kazim to lodge claim for his right on one side, and made an intensified search of Imam Ismail on other, indicating that Imam Ismail was a legitimate Imam in the eyes of the Abbasids. W. Ivanow writes in Ismailis and Qarmatians (JBBRAS, Bombay, 1940, p. 58) that, "Musa apparently was recognized by the secular authorities as the legitimate successor of Imam Jafar in his position, so far as it was concerned with the outer world." W. Montgomery Watt also writes that the political moderates had preferred Musa Kazim, vide The Formative Period of Islamic Thought (Edinburgh, 1973, p. 271). The Abbasids mustered a large following for Musa Kazim in Medina, and the snares of spies were also planted to watch signs of disloyalty emanating from him. The Abbasids then intended to gather the scattered Shi’ites at Medina under the leadership of Musa Kazim, and strike a final blow upon them to getan end of the concept of the Imamate.

Abul Khattab (d. 167/783) was an eminent disciple of Imam Jafar Sadik. He was first to have preached the Shi’ite doctrines tinctured with esoteric interpretation. For quite some time, he was closely associated with Imam Jafar Sadik, who had commissioned him as his chief da’i in Kufa. When Imam Ismail had been in Iraq, he adopted the title of Abul Khattab most probably after151/769 for exercising taqiya. Nawbakhti in Kitab Firaq al-Shi’a (Istanbul, 1931, pp. 60-61) and al-Qummi (d. 300/912) in Kitab al-Maqalat wa’l-Firaq (Tehran, 1963, p. 83) write thatthe followers of Abul Khattab (i.e., Ismail) became known as Khattabiyya, believing that "the divine light had transferred from Jafar Sadik into Abul Khattab, and on the death of the latter, it passed into Muhammad bin Ismail." The term Abul Khattab here was the epithet of Imam Ismail. Abul Khattab however was killed most possibly in 167/783.

Besides, Imam Ismail had to assume the pseudonym of al-Mubarak in certain cases to protect his life. Al-Mubarak was a servant of Imam Ismail in Medina. In all probability, al-Mubarak was alsothe epithet of Imam Ismail. More evidences of the application of the name al-Mubarak to Ismailhave now come to light, lending strong support to W. Ivanow’s hypothesis, vide The Alleged Founder of Ismailism (Bombay, 1946, pp. 108-112), describing that, "I have happened upon such clear and unequivocal testimony concerning al-Mubarak. The fact that it was in reality the surname of Ismail b. Jafar is revealed in at least four different passages in the early Ismaili esoteric work, Sullamu’n-Najjat by Abu Yaqub as-Sijistani" (p. 111). It can be also ascertained from another work of Abu Yaqub as-Sijistani, entitled Ithbat al-Nubuwwat (Beirut, 1966, p.190).

Hence, another small following of Imam Ismail became known as Mubarakiyya. The Fatimid Imam al-Mahdi had sent a letter in Yamen after 308/921, which is reproduced by Jafar bin Mansur al-Yamen in al-Fara’id wa Hudud ad-Din (pp. 13-19), in which the Imam has alsodisclosed that the Imams descending from Imam Jafar Sadik wished to resuscitate the true dawat, and feared the treachery of hypocrites, therefore, they assumed names other than theirown, and used for themselves esoterically names denoting the rank of proofs (hujjats) and styledthemselves as Mubarak, Maymun and Sa’id because of the good omen in these names.

The terms Mubarakiyya and Khattabiyya therefore, were the original names of the nascent Ismailism, as well as the regional identifications of the followers of Imam Ismail, who, on the whole, merged into the main fold of Ismailism in the time of Imam Muhammad bin Ismail. Concluding his judgment, al-Mutawakkil (532-566/1137-1170) writes in his Kitab Haqa’iq al-Marifa as quoted by Bernard Lewis in The Origins of Ismailism (London, 1940, p. 35) that, "The Ismailiyya are the Mubarakiyya and the Khattabiyya."

Imam Ismail mostly lived in Salamia, and then moved to Damascus. Mansur knew his where abouts, and wrote to his governor to arrest him, but the Imam quitted Damascus for Basra. Imam Ismail’s presence in Basra was marked in 151/769. According to Tarikh-i Jhangusha, "A paralytic begged alms of him. Ismail took him by the hand and he was healed; and rising to hisfeet he departed in his company. Ismail also prayed for a blind person and he recovered his sight."

Imam Jafar Sadik had realized the significance of a tight, well-knit and secret organization to face the emerging challenges in Arab society. For that purpose, he employed his Iranian client (mawla), named Maymun al-Qaddah, who had a skill for organizing the vast network of an underground mission. The Arabs, it must be noted, were not traditionally and temperamentally suited for secretive and underground functioning. They had always lived in an open and free society in the desert without the paraphernalia of state and political intrigues.

De Lacy O’Leary writes in Short History of the Fatimid Khilafat (London, 1923, p. 25) that, "The Ismailians alone have inherited the accurate knowledge of secret mysteries bequeathed by Jafar as-Sadik to his son Ismail." W. Ivanow writes in Ismailis and Qarmatians (JBBRAS, Bombay, 1940, p. 59) that, "The successors of Ismail were therefore compelled to pay moreattention to the other aspect of Imam Jafar’s heritage - the philosophical and esoteric theories, which were more in demand here. This probably defined the further course of the evolution of Ismailism, which though it never gave up its strictly Islamic substance, had, nevertheless, tore concile it with the philosophy of the time."

Imam Ismail died in Salamia after bequeathing the office of Imamate to his son Muhammad. According to al-Usul wa’l Ahakam by Hatim bin Imran bin Zuhra (d. 498/1104) that, "Ismail had sent his da’is to all parts and ordered him (Muhammad) to administer the oath in his name according to the custom of all preceding Imams. When his death drew near, he appointed as his heir, his son Imam Muhammad Shakir a.s. who showed great perfection."

Wa aakhiro dawana anil hamdo lillah'he Rabbil aalameen.
Shiaism got dramatized as the time passed on, best thing for a MOMIN will be to stick with QURAAN and keeping balance between HAQ and BATIL.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:31 AM

View PostAli Huzaifa, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

ALL THE FATIMI ISMAILI MUSTALI IMAMS ARE SON OF PROPER & FAZILA MUSLIMA MOTHER. Where else last six Imam's of Ithna Asheri are son of slave-women.



Did the author of this not read the Qur'an?

Åöäøó ÃóßúÑó‌ãóßõãú ÚöäÏó ÇááøóÜåö ÃóÊúÞóÇßõãú Åöäøó ÇááøóÜåó Úóáöíãñ ÎóÈöíÑñ‌

Indeed the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the most Godwary among you. Indeed Allah is all-knowing, all-aware. (49:13)

Also there is no shame in being descended from a slave woman, as the mother of Nabi Isma'il Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã, was a slave.

Even though the author alludes to the negative traditions about Isma'il bin Ja'far, he doesn't quote them, you can read a few of them here, p 77

http://www.scribd.co...Ni-mah-Volume-1

Narrated to us Muhammad bin Musa bin al-Mutawakkil that he said: Narrated to us Muhammad bin Yahya al-Attar from Muhammad bin Ahmad bin Yahya bin Imran Ashari from Yaqoob bin Yazid from Muhammad bin Abi Umair from Hasan bin Rashid that he said:

I inquired from Aba Abdillah, Imam Ja'far Sadiq (a.s.) regarding Ismail. He said: "He is sinful, neither he resmebles me nor any of my purified forefathers."

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Imam Jafar Sadik is also reported to have said: Inlillah fi kullo shain bida illah imamah means, "Verily, God makes changes in everything except in the matter of Imam." It tends to prove thatonce Ismail had been designated as an Imam, the spiritual authority of Imam Jafar Sadik came tothe hands of his successor, and the status of Imam Jafar Sadik becomes same as he was beforeacquiring spiritual authority from his father.

?? The Prophet (s) declared Imam Ali (a) as his successor many times, a long time before ghadir khumm, does that mean for all those years, he (a) held the true spiritual authority, and not the Prophet (s)?

Edited by Ali_Hussain, 14 September 2012 - 09:43 AM.

خُذِ الْعَفْوَ وَأْمُرْ‌ بِالْعُرْ‌فِ وَأَعْرِ‌ضْ عَنِ الْجَاهِلِي

Take to forgiveness and enjoin good and turn aside from the ignorant (7:199)

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:36 AM

View PostAli Huzaifa, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

Imam Ismail is also known as an absolute Lord (az-azbab-i itlaq).

"... He [Allah (swt) ] is the only Lord, and to Him we have submitted ourselves.” — Holy Qur'an (2:133)

Edited by Ali Musaaa :), 14 September 2012 - 09:38 AM.

Imam Ja`far as-Sadiq [a] said:


"For everything there is weighing and measuring except tears. One tear drop can extinguish oceans of fire. If the eyes flood with tears, the face will not suffer hardship and humiliation. When tears flow out, Allah forbids them from the Fire. And if a person weeps in a nation, such nation will receive favors."


(al-Kafi, Volume 2, hadith 3113)


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 10:21 AM

What a hodgepodge of speculative nonsense + outdated Orientalist literature.  A couple point amidst that mess:

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The Abbasids brought Musa Kazim to lodge claim for his right on one side, and made an intensified search of Imam Ismail on other, indicating that Imam Ismail was a legitimate Imam in the eyes of the Abbasids. W. Ivanow writes in Ismailis and Qarmatians (JBBRAS, Bombay, 1940, p. 58) that, "Musa apparently was recognized by the secular authorities as the legitimate successor of Imam Jafar in his position, so far as it was concerned with the outer world." W. Montgomery Watt also writes that the political moderates had preferred Musa Kazim, vide The Formative Period of Islamic Thought (Edinburgh, 1973, p. 271). The Abbasids mustered a large following for Musa Kazim in Medina, and the snares of spies were also planted to watch signs of disloyalty emanating from him. The Abbasids then intended to gather the scattered Shi’ites at Medina under the leadership of Musa Kazim, and strike a final blow upon them to getan end of the concept of the Imamate.

What slander.  Imam al-Kazhim (as) had to be extremely careful about how and to whom he announced his Imamate.  Even with this, the Abbasids imprisoned him and killed him, then displaying his body so that his followers would see he was dead.  In fact it's reported from `Ali b. Ja`far, the son of Imam Sadiq (as) and a firm supporter of his brother Musa's (as) Imamate, the Muhammad b. Isma`il had betrayed his uncle up to the Abbasids.

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Abul Khattab (d. 167/783) was an eminent disciple of Imam Jafar Sadik. He was first to have preached the Shi’ite doctrines tinctured with esoteric interpretation. For quite some time, he was closely associated with Imam Jafar Sadik, who had commissioned him as his chief da’i in Kufa. When Imam Ismail had been in Iraq, he adopted the title of Abul Khattab most probably after151/769 for exercising taqiya. Nawbakhti in Kitab Firaq al-Shi’a (Istanbul, 1931, pp. 60-61) and al-Qummi (d. 300/912) in Kitab al-Maqalat wa’l-Firaq (Tehran, 1963, p. 83) write thatthe followers of Abul Khattab (i.e., Ismail) became known as Khattabiyya, believing that "the divine light had transferred from Jafar Sadik into Abul Khattab, and on the death of the latter, it passed into Muhammad bin Ismail." The term Abul Khattab here was the epithet of Imam Ismail. Abul Khattab however was killed most possibly in 167/783.

Completely ignoring that Abu 'l-Khattab was a heretic who Imam Sadiq (as) disassociated from and who was cursed.

There's other points of falsehood above (such as the fact that Isma`il died before his father did, which Isma`ilis have had to come up with contradictory ways to try to explain away), and it's ignoring that the belief in the Imamate of Isma`il was always a very fringe doctrine, not associated with the closest followers of the Imams.  And then of course it's not even touching on the mess of inconsistency that follows after, with the contradictory and ever changing claims of the "da`wat" to suits their wants of the day.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostAli Huzaifa, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

ALL THE FATIMI ISMAILI MUSTALI IMAMS ARE SON OF PROPER & FAZILA MUSLIMA MOTHER. Where else last six Imam's of Ithna Asheri are son of slave-women.


There is jahl dripping from every letter in this statement. I'm not surprised, however, since you are so ignorant of your own history that you asked me for soft-copies of my own collection of Fatimid and pre-Fatimid Isma'ili works so that, in your own words, " I can share them with my community members".

Your Da'i and his clerical henchmen exist by virtue of keeping much of what every Tayyibi should know a closely guarded secret, so much so that you have to ask an Ithna 'Aashari for information on your own faith !!!

If you were truly cognizant of your 'aqaaid, you would know it's built on an ever-changing, often contradictory foundation of ideas and concepts. Firstly Muhammad ibn Isma'il was the last imam and al-Qa'im who had gone into ghayba. Then it was revealed that it was just a ruse in order to protect his descendants who were the true imams. There is still controversy regarding the lineage of 'Abdullah al-Mahdi, largely because your own Isma'ili sources contradict each other. There is even an official letter from al-Mu'izz damning 'Abdullah al-Mahdi as a mustawda imam who attempted to keep the imamate from it's rightful possessor, Muhammad al-Qa'im bi Amrillah (suggesting that "al-Mahdi" was not even al-Qa'ims physical father).

The Qarmati Saba'iyyah (Seveners) who upheld that Muhammad ibn Isma'il was the Mahdi and al-Qa'im rejected 'Abdullah's claim and made war upon him and his son Muhammad al-Qa'im (and his son al-Mansur and grandson al-Mu'izz li deen Allah). In order to integrate the Da'is from the east like Abu Ya'qoob al-Sijistaani, al-Mu'izz integrated the neo-Platonic concepts which by then had become popular amongst the eastern Qarmati Da'wa. Prior to al-Mu'izz, the "official" Da'wa had used largely gnostic symbols and ideas to frame their esoteric beliefs. Post al-Mu'izz, we see a pseudo philosophical neo-Platonism becoming central to ideas expressed by the Da'wa.

Even the number of imams that would exist before al-Qiyaamah was changed during the time of al-Mu'izz, so that henceforth there was no numerical limit on the number of imams before the final Qa'im appeared. I guess that's convenient, once you are in charge of an empire and you want it to stay in possession of your posterity.

Anyway, what I've written is just the tip of the iceberg. Your imams and Da'wah have changed your core beliefs so many times that my beard would be completely grey were I to begin documenting them.

Btw, how many ahadeeth do you have from your imams after Ja'far al-Sadiq (as) ? Being the repositories of esoteric, divine 'ilm, they must have passed down countless traditions to their followers, yet, despite the odd risaalah or letter here and there, nothing exists of your imams' knowledge. What does exist, however, comes from your Fatimi Da'is, and they contradicted each other on a regular basis. For example, al-Kirmani contradicts al-Sijistaani, who is later contradicted by Nasir-i-Khusraw whose beliefs were more in line with al-Sijistaani's, and the list goes on, and on.

Finally, as has already been mentioned by brother Ali Musaa, being born to a slave-mother is not something to be ashamed of. After all, if it was good enough for Nabi Isma'ils mother, Hajar, to have been a slave-woman, then it is just fine for our Imams (as). The mothers of all our Imams were chaste muslimaat. Do you even know who 'Abdullah al-Mahdi's mother was, or his grandmother or great-grandmother?
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QUOTE (Omar Khayyam @ Jul 16 2009, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
btw ,yazid had been a succesful warrior during the battle of cyprus ,if you restrict him to the sad events of kerballa in which he played an indirect role and especially his attack against the holy sites in his end ,his rule was not only dark,he was a reformer,a man of letter,and was a true muslim.

Bani Ummayya defeated bigger than the small zionists of today,they are the builder of the Islamic nation.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 11:10 PM

^ as I said this is not written by me, and its shame on your part, that u want to know our literature but dont want to share what u have with ur self.

hypocricy at maxim, even muawiyah would be ashamed looking at todays shia like you.

thankyou jahil e akbar
Shiaism got dramatized as the time passed on, best thing for a MOMIN will be to stick with QURAAN and keeping balance between HAQ and BATIL.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:04 AM

^
and it sure looks like muawiya must be proud of you and your kind

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:16 AM

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^ as I said this is not written by me, and its shame on your part, that u want to know our literature but dont want to share what u have with ur self.
The article cannot be written by you. And it's a bigger shame which brother Abdul Qaim pointed out, that your scholars don't even allow their own followers access to their own religious texts. Bohris have to ask people outside their madhhab to let them read what their madhhab says. Isn't that a big shame?

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hypocricy at maxim
Rather, ignorance at maximum ?

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:46 AM

View PostAli Huzaifa, on 14 September 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

^ as I said this is not written by me, and its shame on your part, that u want to know our literature but dont want to share what u have with ur self.

hypocricy at maxim, even muawiyah would be ashamed looking at todays shia like you.

thankyou jahil e akbar

Firstly, you say that you did not write it, yet you posted something that was inflammatory and obviously offensive to Ithna 'Aasharis - in BOLD font, no less. Nowhere did you say that you didn't agree with the contents of the article, as can be evidenced by your opening remarks ...

View PostAli Huzaifa, on 14 September 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Please Note: I have not penned down article below. It is copied from source considered as authentic and true lover of Ahlebait. So, I do not deserve any credit for hardwork below.

You have praised the author as a mu'min and further stated that you don't deserve credit for his hardwork (sic). So please don't play coy and disavow responsibility for an article you have not written, but are in agreement with. To do so would be nifaaq to say the least.

Secondly, how dare you compare me to Mu'awiya (la) ? Not only that but you have accused me of something which I have not done?!?! I have never refused you access to my materials. I haven't even got around to replying to your request! Most of what I have is in hardcopy, but I had planned to send you a link to my Dropbox account where you could download anything I have available in digital format. In fact, despite your jahl, I will still send you the link, because I find it amazing that your own religious authorities don't make these materials available to you and that you have to receive knowledge of your own deen from an Ithna 'Aashari . Shame on your Da'i and his underlings !!!
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QUOTE (Omar Khayyam @ Jul 16 2009, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
btw ,yazid had been a succesful warrior during the battle of cyprus ,if you restrict him to the sad events of kerballa in which he played an indirect role and especially his attack against the holy sites in his end ,his rule was not only dark,he was a reformer,a man of letter,and was a true muslim.

Bani Ummayya defeated bigger than the small zionists of today,they are the builder of the Islamic nation.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 01:50 AM

losers try to understand this, I am not here to dawah for tayyebis but as u guys blame tayyebis that they do not share what they have ,so I have posted this article.

any ways @ abdul, if u are interested u can share the books and if not its okay.

Quraan is more then enough for a true believer.
Shiaism got dramatized as the time passed on, best thing for a MOMIN will be to stick with QURAAN and keeping balance between HAQ and BATIL.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 04:24 AM

View PostAli Huzaifa, on 15 September 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

losers try to understand this, I am not here to dawah for tayyebis but as u guys blame tayyebis that they do not share what they have ,so I have posted this article.

You really should speak to fellow Muslims with respect and not insult them. How old are you?

"O you who believe! Let not some people among you deride another people, it may be that the latter are better than the former; nor let some women deride other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former. Nor defame one another (and provoke the same for yourselves in retaliation), nor insult one another with nicknames (that your brothers and sisters dislike). Evil is using names with vile meaning after (those so addressed have accepted) the faith (– doing so is like replacing a mark of faith with a mark of transgression). Whoever (does that and then) does not turn to God in repentance, (giving up doing so), those are indeed wrongdoers." — Qur'an 49:11


Imam Ja`far as-Sadiq [a] said:


"For everything there is weighing and measuring except tears. One tear drop can extinguish oceans of fire. If the eyes flood with tears, the face will not suffer hardship and humiliation. When tears flow out, Allah forbids them from the Fire. And if a person weeps in a nation, such nation will receive favors."


(al-Kafi, Volume 2, hadith 3113)


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 06:36 AM

View PostAbdul Qaim, on 15 September 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

Secondly, how dare you compare me to Mu'awiya (la) ? Not only that but you have accused me of something which I have not done?!?! I have never refused you access to my materials. I haven't even got around to replying to your request! Most of what I have is in hardcopy, but I had planned to send you a link to my Dropbox account where you could download anything I have available in digital format. In fact, despite your jahl, I will still send you the link, because I find it amazing that your own religious authorities don't make these materials available to you and that you have to receive knowledge of your own deen from an Ithna 'Aashari . Shame on your Da'i and his underlings !!!
Salam bro Abdul Qaim,

Could you also please send me a link for all materials you have?
If it's OK with you, then I will PM you my email.
Thanks in advance.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:02 AM

View PostAli Musaaa :), on 15 September 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

You really should speak to fellow Muslims with respect and not insult them. How old are you?

"O you who believe! Let not some people among you deride another people, it may be that the latter are better than the former; nor let some women deride other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former. Nor defame one another (and provoke the same for yourselves in retaliation), nor insult one another with nicknames (that your brothers and sisters dislike). Evil is using names with vile meaning after (those so addressed have accepted) the faith (– doing so is like replacing a mark of faith with a mark of transgression). Whoever (does that and then) does not turn to God in repentance, (giving up doing so), those are indeed wrongdoers." — Qur'an 49:11
shukran for reminding me ayat of Quraan, jazakallah
Shiaism got dramatized as the time passed on, best thing for a MOMIN will be to stick with QURAAN and keeping balance between HAQ and BATIL.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:08 AM

View Postrotten_coconut, on 15 September 2012 - 06:36 AM, said:

Salam bro Abdul Qaim,

Could you also please send me a link for all materials you have?
If it's OK with you, then I will PM you my email.
Thanks in advance.

(wasalam)

No problem. Plz give me a day or so.

As I stated earlier, most of my collection is in hardcopy form (it's really hard to find interesting material on the subject matter in digital format), but you can have whatever's there ...
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QUOTE (Omar Khayyam @ Jul 16 2009, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
btw ,yazid had been a succesful warrior during the battle of cyprus ,if you restrict him to the sad events of kerballa in which he played an indirect role and especially his attack against the holy sites in his end ,his rule was not only dark,he was a reformer,a man of letter,and was a true muslim.

Bani Ummayya defeated bigger than the small zionists of today,they are the builder of the Islamic nation.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 07:42 AM

View PostAli Huzaifa, on 15 September 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:


shukran for reminding me ayat of Quraan, jazakallah


No problem Brother :)

"The believers are but brothers, so make peace between your brothers; and keep from disobedience to God in reverence for Him and piety (particularly in your duties toward one another as brothers), so that you may be shown mercy (granted a good, virtuous life in the world as individuals and as a community, and eternal happiness in the Hereafter)." — Qur'an 49:10
Imam Ja`far as-Sadiq [a] said:


"For everything there is weighing and measuring except tears. One tear drop can extinguish oceans of fire. If the eyes flood with tears, the face will not suffer hardship and humiliation. When tears flow out, Allah forbids them from the Fire. And if a person weeps in a nation, such nation will receive favors."


(al-Kafi, Volume 2, hadith 3113)


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 08:57 AM

^ translation u are posting is quite elaborated, where u getting it?

please share the website.
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