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[race]

Hi. Has anyone contracted mutah with a christian and did you have any problems or did it work out fine

.Also, Is it allowed to marry a women in temporary marriage with the permission of her mother if her father is not there.

[Haji 2003]

The OP has a question, if people have constructive answers, please post. Else stay out.

[Martyrdom]

race, on 13 September 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

Hi. Has anyone contracted mutah with a christian and did you have any problems or did it work out fine

About two years ago this christian lady I worked with I did muta with her for about 6 month. She new I was muslim and I don't date but she was still interested so I started to tell her if you want in islam we have temporary marriage and I stared to explain everything about it . I basically gave her a lecture about it . Expect them to ask a lot of questions specially the time period part .  Afterward she said ok then I  gave her a paper I had printed out from my marja web site on what she had to say and then that was it.   The key is to be honest with them.

[Haydar Husayn]

race, on 13 September 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

.Also, Is it allowed to marry a women in temporary marriage with the permission of her mother if her father is not there.

If neither the father nor grandfather are around, then you don't need anyone's permission. The mother's permission is never required.

[race]

Martyrdom, on 14 September 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

About two years ago this christian lady I worked with I did muta with her for about 6 month. She new I was muslim and I don't date but she was still interested so I started to tell her if you want in islam we have temporary marriage and I stared to explain everything about it . I basically gave her a lecture about it . Expect them to ask a lot of questions specially the time period part .  Afterward she said ok then I  gave her a paper I had printed out from my marja web site on what she had to say and then that was it.   The key is to be honest with them.

That helps. Thanks.

[YaSahebAZaman]

For married person, and want do do muta with a christian girl(non-sexual actually, just for friendship as she is office colleague to go for drinks/chat after work sometimes), do I need wife permission as per ayatullah khamenei's muqaleed?

[Haydar Husayn]

YaSahebAZaman, on 15 September 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

For married person, and want do do muta with a christian girl(non-sexual actually, just for friendship as she is office colleague to go for drinks/chat after work sometimes), do I need wife permission as per ayatullah khamenei's muqaleed?

Yes. You cannot do mutah with a non-Muslim without your Muslim wife's permission.

[Kindnhumble]

Martyrdom, on 14 September 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

About two years ago this christian lady I worked with I did muta with her for about 6 month. She new I was muslim and I don't date but she was still interested so I started to tell her if you want in islam we have temporary marriage and I stared to explain everything about it . I basically gave her a lecture about it . Expect them to ask a lot of questions specially the time period part .  Afterward she said ok then I  gave her a paper I had printed out from my marja web site on what she had to say and then that was it.   The key is to be honest with them.

What if she gets pregnant?

[:Sami]

Salam,

questions to your answers :

I would also like to ask the following questions:

1) Does a man married in Nikah need his wife's permission to marry other women in Nikah (Polygyny)?

2) Does a man married in Nikah need his wife's permission to marry other women in Mutah?

3) Is a man allowed to have more than one Mutah wife at a time?

4) If a man and a woman are secretly (the girls father does not know) in a haram girlfriend-boyfriend relationship - do they need the father's permission to convert the relationship into Mutah/Nikah?

5) If a girl has lost her virginity through haram relationships does she need her father's permission to marry someone in Nikah or Mutah?

6) What if because the father refuses Mutah or is likely to refuse permission for Mutah (as is mostly the case in the present age) the man and woman continue to have a haram relationship. Is it not better in this situation that they recite the seegha for Mutah in the hope that it is acceptable to Allah?

From: Representatives Of Ayatullah Sayyid Ali Khamanei

Source: Wilayah.org

Answer:

Salamun `alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu.
The answer is as follows:

Bismihi Ta`ala

1) No. There is no need for that.
2) No, he does not need that.
3) Yes, in itself, there is no objection in doing so.
4) For marrying a virgin girl it is wajib (obligatory), as per obligatory precaution, to obtain her father's permission.
5) In the given case, there is no need for that.
6) The same previous answers.

you don't need your wife's permission , to do mutah.(unless it is a condition in your marriage contract to seek her permission)

you do need her father's permission if she is a virgin.

Edited by :Sami, 15 September 2012 - 06:13 AM.

[Haydar Husayn]

In the answer to question 5, it is likely that it is referring to a married man wanting to do mutah with a Muslim woman, in which case no permission is needed. Better to double check with his office on whether this applies to doing mutah with non-Muslim women. Also, we should remember that these questions are not answered by Sayyid Khamenei himself, and mistakes are sometimes made.

[:Sami]

it is not referring to a muslim woman , it says woman .
Perhaps for those  politically correct whimpy husbands who need permission to do anything from their wives , it's probably best to seek your masters permission.

(But with everything always refer to your friendly neighbourhood :Marja .)

Edited by :Sami, 15 September 2012 - 08:06 AM.

[Haydar Husayn]

Sayyid Sistani:

Question :
A Muslim couple got separated for a long time. Is it permissible for him to marry, temporarily or permanently, a woman from Ahlul Kitab without the knowledge of his Muslim wife? Is it permissible for him to marry, with the permission of his Muslim wife?
Answer :
For a Muslim man to marry a woman from Ahlul Kitab permanently is against the compulsory precaution in any circumstance. And his temporary marriage to a Jewish or a Christian woman is allowed, only if he is not already married to a Muslim wife. If he has a Muslim wife, temporary marriage with an Ahlul Kitab woman is not permissible without her consent; nay, even with her consent, it is not permissible, based on compulsory precaution.
http://www.sistani.o...=616687&id=1284


Relevant ahadith:

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from al-`Ala b. Razin from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu Ja`far Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã.  He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman and (nor – in the masdar) the Christian woman upon the Muslim woman.

2 – And from a number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Khalid al-Barqi from `Uthman b. `Isa from Sama`a b. Mihran.  He said: I asked him about the Jewish woman and the Christian woman, does the man marry her upon the Muslim woman?  He said: No, but he marries the Muslim woman upon the Jewish woman and the Christian woman.

3 – And from Muhammad b. Yahya from `Abdullah b. Muhammad from `Ali b. al-Hakam from Aban b. `Uthman from `Abd ar-Rahman b. Abi `Abdillah.  He said: I asked Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: Is it (allowed) for the man to marry the Christian woman upon the Muslim woman, and the slave woman upon the freewoman? So he said: Do not marry any one of them upon the Muslim woman, but marry the Muslim woman upon the slave woman and the Christian woman.  And for the Muslim woman is the two-thirds and for the slave woman and the Christian woman the third.

4 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn by his isnad from al-Hasan b. Mahbub from Hisham b. Salim from Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã regarding a man who married a dhimmi woman upon a Muslim woman.  He said: They are separated and he is struck an eighth of the hadd of the fornicator, twelve and a half lashes.  So if the Muslim woman accepts (or, is content) he is struck an eighth of the hadd and they are not separated.  I said: How is he struck the half?  He said: The lash is taken by the middle (or, the half) and he is struck with it.

5 – And by his isnad from Sa`dan from Abu Basir from Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã.  He said: Do not marry the Jewish woman nor the Christian woman upon the freewoman in mut`a and other than mut`a.

http://www.tashayyu....-kufr/chapter-7

So these ahadith seem to indicate that it is not permissible to marry a kitabi woman upon a Muslim woman under any circumstances, but there are others that allow it:

1 – Muhammad b. al-Hasan by his isnad from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from al-Hasan b. `Ali b. Faddal from one of our companions from Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã.  He said: There is no harm that the man do mut`a with  the Jewish woman or the Christian woman while he has a freewoman with him.

2 – And from him from Muhammad b. Sinan from Aban b. `Uthman from Zurara.  He said: I heard him saying: There is no harm in marrying the Jewish woman and the Christian woman in mut`a while he has a wife with him.

http://www.tashayyu....-kufr/chapter-4


Anyway, the point is this isn't a clear cut issue, but there are certainly dangers in marrying a kitabi woman when already married to a Muslim woman.

[:Sami]

the OP has said he does does taqleed with :A-Khamanei , not :A-Sistani.

here's the link to the answer posted before :

http://www.mutah.com/faq_7.htm

To the OP , as a precaution please do not use a  halal deed to commit a haram one , like going for "drinks" with your new mutah wife .
And please tell me why did you  include  "non-sexual " into your posts.
is it  some sort of justification of mutah being better or you being holier ?

[YaSahebAZaman]

:Sami, on 15 September 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

the OP has said he does does taqleed with :A-Khamanei , not :A-Sistani.

here's the link to the answer posted before :

http://www.mutah.com/faq_7.htm

To the OP , as a precaution please do not use a  halal deed to commit a haram one , like going for "drinks" with your new mutah wife .
And please tell me why did you  include  "non-sexual " into your posts.
is it  some sort of justification of mutah being better or you being holier ?

By drinks I mean coke, fanta,sprite or orange juice! She will observe same, i.e non-alcoholic drinks.

Purpose is not to have sex, if it happens so be it.


So, as per Ayatullah Khamenei, I don't need permission looks like, I have already sent a inquiry via email to his eminence office, awaiting response to that.

I'm practicing and religious, but my wife is not religious, e.g I have beard, pray etc.., whereas she does not wear hijab, don't believe in muta etc.., so no point of me asking her, she will reject it anyways, everytime, I bring up muta issue, she tells me I'm sick and find a new wife and leave her, which I don't want to as Allah does not like divorce.

I wasn't religious myself, couple of events happened few years ago and I was guided, and I became religious and follow taqleed path rather random decisions. Ideally, I do want muta with hijab or practicing muslimah but I can't find one in london.

Edited by YaSahebAZaman, 15 September 2012 - 11:07 AM.

[:Sami]

seems like there's much more involved here than mutah with a Christian lady .
Your wife has made it clear her wishes , perhaps it's best to respect those wishes.
honesty is best , as things will go more crazy when she finds out.
And the other ladies who you are having mutah with also feels the same .
most women are like your wife when it comes to mutah.
My advise , it's not really solving your issues here.
Perhaps some counselling from good momin , leader or trusted friend that  both of you  trust .
Mutah in these situations only lead to more problems in the long run.
I find older revert sisters , who are divorced more agreeable to these arrangements , but you have to be upfront with all parties .

[race]

YaSahebAZaman, on 15 September 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

By drinks I mean coke, fanta,sprite or orange juice! She will observe same, i.e non-alcoholic drinks.

Purpose is not to have sex, if it happens so be it.


So, as per Ayatullah Khamenei, I don't need permission looks like, I have already sent a inquiry via email to his eminence office, awaiting response to that.

I'm practicing and religious, but my wife is not religious, e.g I have beard, pray etc.., whereas she does not wear hijab, don't believe in muta etc.., so no point of me asking her, she will reject it anyways, everytime, I bring up muta issue, she tells me I'm sick and find a new wife and leave her, which I don't want to as Allah does not like divorce.

I wasn't religious myself, couple of events happened few years ago and I was guided, and I became religious and follow taqleed path rather random decisions. Ideally, I do want muta with hijab or practicing muslimah but I can't find one in london.

Yea, I am a university student and I am also thinking of doing mutah so that I can go with her to dinner, or walk, and socialize with her. That is what my intention is. Also, it makes one pure since you refrain from looking at other women even though its without lust. And it gives strength since now you have someone you can look at and take care of. The sad thing is that it gets misused a lot and those who are against this practise, their minds are filthy and not pure. They do not understand that its God who makes the law and not them.

[race]

Martyrdom, on 14 September 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

About two years ago this christian lady I worked with I did muta with her for about 6 month. She new I was muslim and I don't date but she was still interested so I started to tell her if you want in islam we have temporary marriage and I stared to explain everything about it . I basically gave her a lecture about it . Expect them to ask a lot of questions specially the time period part .  Afterward she said ok then I  gave her a paper I had printed out from my marja web site on what she had to say and then that was it.   The key is to be honest with them.

Hey, can you also send me the link to that paper you printed out.

[Martyrdom]

Kindnhumble, on 15 September 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

What if she gets pregnant?

Then I would take care of the child like I would do in a permanent marriage . But we agreed not to have kids from the beginning.

race, on 16 September 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Hey, can you also send me the link to that paper you printed out.

Never mind brother here's the link that I printed out and gave to her go to the part were it says what has to be said .
english.bayynat.org.lb/QA/1a.htm.

Edited by Martyrdom, 16 September 2012 - 01:59 PM.

[race]

Martyrdom, on 16 September 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Then I would take care of the child like I would do in a permanent marriage . But we agreed not to have kids from the beginning.


Never mind brother here's the link that I printed out and gave to her go to the part were it says what has to be said .
english.bayynat.org.lb/QA/1a.htm.

for some reason I cant find the pm button. Heres my email though: mould@hotmail.ca

[Martyrdom]

race, on 16 September 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

for some reason I cant find the pm button. Heres my email though: mould@hotmail.ca

Let me know if you can't open the link I posted then I will email it to you .

[race]

:Sami, on 15 September 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

the OP has said he does does taqleed with :A-Khamanei , not :A-Sistani.

here's the link to the answer posted before :

http://www.mutah.com/faq_7.htm

To the OP , as a precaution please do not use a  halal deed to commit a haram one , like going for "drinks" with your new mutah wife .
And please tell me why did you  include  "non-sexual " into your posts.
is it  some sort of justification of mutah being better or you being holier ?

No one is using a halal deed to commit a haram one. Allah has made temporary marriage permissible and there is proof in the Quran and hadith. If someone has included non-sexual, it means they dont want it and there can be many reasons for it. Maybe they cannot fulfill the responsibility of the child at this moment. Anyhow, mutah is permissible and if some want to get marriage and have sexual relations, there is no problem with it, while those who dont want it, still there is no problem.

Also, we know that majority of people from other schools of thought consider this zina, so if a womens reputation will get harmed by it in the society she lives in, its better to refrain from it not because its not allowed, but because people will trouble her and make her living hard. Inshallah a time will come when this practise will be widespread and will not be misused.

[:Sami]

race, on 16 September 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

No one is using a halal deed to commit a haram one. Allah has made temporary marriage permissible and there is proof in the Quran and hadith. If someone has included non-sexual, it means they dont want it and there can be many reasons for it. Maybe they cannot fulfill the responsibility of the child at this moment. Anyhow, mutah is permissible and if some want to get marriage and have sexual relations, there is no problem with it, while those who dont want it, still there is no problem.

Also, we know that majority of people from other schools of thought consider this zina, so if a womens reputation will get harmed by it in the society she lives in, its better to refrain from it not because its not allowed, but because people will trouble her and make her living hard. Inshallah a time will come when this practise will be widespread and will not be misused.

that time is here now,
this is widespread and it's misused like everything that is good .
it is misused by sunni and shia.
why?
because the society you live in does not allow it .
the laws only allow you to have one wife , and endless girlfriends , lovers , mistresses etc .
this is law , and this is your rules of engaging in your life as an employee of your government which is a company .
and the sex industry that has an exclusive contract to service it's employees does not allow real mutah.
also the mindset and programming of the the employees(people ) don't really accept this .
read all the posts here , no muslim girl accepts this argument on its entirety .
non muslim only accept it because they don't care about it or don't really understand it .
you young men can fool yourself and justify all this .
most cannot see the longer term implications of doing this , and the effects of what it has on society .
this type of mutah does not help humanity as a whole in the long term .
non muslim women who are also human want love and commitment also, but due to their self-destructive  programming, they think they might get this from you somehow by accepting this .
and even though this mutah is not real , it is still better than the other alternatives .
but don't say it's all 100% halal , and don't fool yourself in thinking that true halal mutah will ever come into existence.
as for observing fatwas of your :Marjas, how can you .
you have to follow the laws of your real masters first .
and they don't allow for this .

[race]

:Sami, on 17 September 2012 - 12:57 AM, said:

that time is here now,
this is widespread and it's misused like everything that is good .
it is misused by sunni and shia.
why?
because the society you live in does not allow it .

It is allowed in many societies and the society I live in, they dont have any problem.

the laws only allow you to have one wife , and endless girlfriends , lovers , mistresses etc .

thats the law you follow, I dont

this is law , and this is your rules of engaging in your life as an employee of your government which is a company .
and the sex industry that has an exclusive contract to service it's employees does not allow real mutah.
also the mindset and programming of the the employees(people ) don't really accept this .
read all the posts here , no muslim girl accepts this argument on its entirety .

Have you talked with all the muslim women in the whole world.

non muslim only accept it because they don't care about it or don't really understand it .

I personally know people who do care and know people who have contracted it with through understanding and they are pious people. If you have not found anyone like that, good for you

you young men can fool yourself and justify all this .

and you can justify eating fish, shripms, working in a bank, permanent marriage and fool yourself. Use your sense, like this nothing will be justified. We are not allowed to justify, but Allah his

most cannot see the longer term implications of doing this , and the effects of what it has on society .
this type of mutah does not help humanity as a whole in the long term .

Thats according to you

non muslim women who are also human want love and commitment also, but due to their self-destructive  programming, they think they might get this from you somehow by accepting this .
and even though this mutah is not real , it is still better than the other alternatives .
but don't say it's all 100% halal , and don't fool yourself in thinking that true halal mutah will ever come into existence.

The prophet(pbuh) ordered his companions to practise it. The proof exists in Quran and hadith and therefore its permissible. You dont make the law neither do I. Think about this.

as for observing fatwas of your :Marjas, how can you .
you have to follow the laws of your real masters first .
and they don't allow for this .

The real masters have allowed it. Already too much narrations exists so no point in posting it here for people who dont accept it. I dont know which real masters you follow. Anyways, I have replied to all your points and would ask you to purify your mind and do not have a dirty mind, only then you can reach to higher levels of purity. I am not sayings, that I am more pure than you, since these are bad morals.

Martyrdom, on 16 September 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

Let me know if you can't open the link I posted then I will email it to you .

I was not able to open the link. Please email me.

[:Sami]

how many mutahs have you had ?
How many permanent wives do you have or had ?
How many of these mutahs have you had was with non-muslims , and how many with muslims .
you sound like an expert on this matters .
but i don't think you really understand the points I've made .
Mutah is a marriage ,however long it may be for .
and like all marriages ,it comes with emotional and spiritual responsibilities .
have you considered the consequences of a baby being conceived  with a non muslim?
Come back to me after 30-40 years(if i'm still around :Inshallah ) , and I'll be interested to see your views after you've had daughters , and grand-daughters .
ws

Edited by :Sami, 17 September 2012 - 06:24 PM.

[race]

Martyrdom, on 16 September 2012 - 02:10 PM, said:

Let me know if you can't open the link I posted then I will email it to you .

Bro, I cant open the link. Please send it to my email, and thanks.

:Sami, on 17 September 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

how many mutahs have you had ?
How many permanent wives do you have or had ?
How many of these mutahs have you had was with non-muslims , and how many with muslims .
you sound like an expert on this matters .
but i don't think you really understand the points I've made .
Mutah is a marriage ,however long it may be for .
and like all marriages ,it comes with emotional and spiritual responsibilities .
have you considered the consequences of a baby being conceived  with a non muslim?
Come back to me after 30-40 years(if i'm still around :Inshallah ) , and I'll be interested to see your views after you've had daughters , and grand-daughters .
ws

I dont go around and have mutahs without reason, so so far  I had none.I undestand your points clearly but the understanding I have, I am replying to you according to it. Its true that it comes with responsibilities but if a baby is born, its the fathers responsibility. Hope you understood

Edited by race, 18 September 2012 - 05:26 PM.