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[Zulfiqar-e-Ali]

I live in the United States.  It is SUPER hard to find halal food.  The Qur'an says "This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them" (5:5).  Does this mean that Kosher is halal?  The reason I ask, is because Kosher is so widespread and easy to get.  Much easier than halal.  I would assume so.  As far as I can tell, all of the Islamic food requirements are fulfilled by Kosher (in fact, Kosher is more strict than halal).  The only thing I can think of being a problem is for meat to be Kosher, a blessing does not have to be recited.  So the name of Allah may not have been invoked on the animal.  Is this a problem?  If not, then I don't see why it wouldn't be halal.  But if anyone could clarify this, I would appreciate it.

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Zulfiqar-e-Ali, on 11 September 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

I live in the United States.  It is SUPER hard to find halal food.  The Qur'an says "This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them" (5:5).  Does this mean that Kosher is halal?  The reason I ask, is because Kosher is so widespread and easy to get.  Much easier than halal.  I would assume so.  As far as I can tell, all of the Islamic food requirements are fulfilled by Kosher (in fact, Kosher is more strict than halal).  The only thing I can think of being a problem is for meat to be Kosher, a blessing does not have to be recited.  So the name of Allah may not have been invoked on the animal.  Is this a problem?  If not, then I don't see why it wouldn't be halal.  But if anyone could clarify this, I would appreciate it.

Q. Is Kosher meat Halal?
A. It is not Halal.
site: http://www.islamic-l...mfooddrinks.htm


Question: Is Kosher meat halal?
Answer: It is not halal.
http://www.sistani.o...1251&perpage=12

If you unable to find any hallal food in your area, then it is required for you to move elsewhere so that you do not commit a sin. If you eat haraam food then in your death the angels will say "Was the earth not big enough for you to travel elsewhere to not commit sit?".

Eating food that is not hallal is only permissible when it's a life and death situation only. But because your life is not in harm you can not eat non-hallal food. You can still eat fish, veggies and fruit, carbs such as rice. I would advice you to buy a large freezer, make a trip to the nearest hallal place even if its 100 miles and buy months worth of hallal meat and just store it in your freezer. Their is bound to be a place that sells hallal meat in every major city in the USA.

Edited by Repentant, 11 September 2012 - 11:12 PM.

[Zulfiqar-e-Ali]

Repentant, on 11 September 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

Question: Is Kosher meat halal?
Answer: It is not halal.
http://www.sistani.o...1251&perpage=12

Thank you, brother.  Is there any explanation as to why it is not?  Is it because for Kosher they don't recite "bismillah"?  Or is it because "Zionist Jews everywhere!!"?  If it is the first, I will accept it.  If it is the second, I will not.  

But yes, I am aware that eating nahalal food is haraam.  I was just asking for ease.  I can make it to a halal butcher easily.  But getting kosher meat is as easy as going to the grocery store

That's all I was asking.

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Zulfiqar-e-Ali, on 12 September 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Thank you, brother.  Is there any explanation as to why it is not?  Is it because for Kosher they don't recite "bismillah"?  Or is it because "Zionist Jews everywhere!!"?  If it is the first, I will accept it.  If it is the second, I will not.  

But yes, I am aware that eating nahalal food is haraam.  I was just asking for ease.  I can make it to a halal butcher easily.  But getting kosher meat is as easy as going to the grocery store

That's all I was asking.

All animals and birds that are permissible to eat are nevertheless forbidden to a Muslim unless they have been correctly slaughtered. The laws for hunting differ slightly and can be obtained from books of Islamic Laws of various jurists.

The correct method of slaughtering involves the simultaneous cutting of the gullet, windpipe, carotid artery and jugular vein of the animal with a sharp knife. The conditions for the slaughtering are as below:

• The one who carries out the slaughtering must be a Muslim.
  
• If possible, the instrument used to slaughter should be made of iron.
  
• The creature to be slaughtered must be made to face the Holy Ka'aba.
  
• The person performing the slaughter must mention the name of Allah as he slaughters the animal.
  
• Here must be a normal emission of blood from the animal after the slaughter.
  
• The animal must show some sign of movement after being slaughtered, especially if there was some doubt whether the animal was alive before being slaughtered.

However if a Muslim has slaughtered it as per his own sects fiqh rules ,which do not comply with all ?of the above ,the meat can still be considered as Halal.

http://islamic-laws.com/fooddrinks.htm

[Zulfiqar-e-Ali]

Repentant, on 12 September 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

All animals and birds that are permissible to eat are nevertheless forbidden to a Muslim unless they have been correctly slaughtered.

Thank you for explaining brother.

But that still raises the question, why on earth would Allah (swt) tell us that the food of the Jews and Christians is halal if it's not?  Is this not a huge contradiction?

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Zulfiqar-e-Ali, on 12 September 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

Thank you for explaining brother.

But that still raises the question, why on earth would Allah (swt) tell us that the food of the Jews and Christians is halal if it's not?  Is this not a huge contradiction?

Maybe someone can explain it better inshAllah but maybe it is that the Jews and Christians in the Qur'an in that specific verse are the "real ones" who worshiped Allah (swt) and followed their book and messengers correctly and not the Jews and Christians we have now who are nothing like the real Christians and Jews of back then?

Or maybe it means we can eat non-mean products from them like if veggies, rice, fruit, etc. because I think we can't even eat these things from polytheist such as Hindus.

[Haydar Karrar]

Zulfiqar-e-Ali, on 12 September 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

Thank you for explaining brother.

But that still raises the question, why on earth would Allah (swt) tell us that the food of the Jews and Christians is halal if it's not?  Is this not a huge contradiction?

Does the Ayah say meat??? Of course the vegetables they cook are Halal for us....the Ayah does not say meat, it says food.....

Now, one Ayah says food of Ahlul Kitab (Jews, Christians) is Halal, other Ayaat say that meat slaughtered not in the name of Allah is Haram....I think it is appropriate to assume that the one ayah talks about food excluding meat...because the other Ayaat talk specifically about meat....

Inshallah I could help, by the way....Kosher is just more expensive for the same KRAP.

[abduljabbar]

according to hadeeths, the verse was revealed about the cereals/grains of the ahlul-kitab in particular
but if we take it for face value, it refers to all food apart from those foods that have been made haram

[Inquisitor]

Haydar Karrar, on 12 September 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Does the Ayah say meat??? Of course the vegetables they cook are Halal for us....the Ayah does not say meat, it says food.....

Now, one Ayah says food of Ahlul Kitab (Jews, Christians) is Halal, other Ayaat say that meat slaughtered not in the name of Allah is Haram....I think it is appropriate to assume that the one ayah talks about food excluding meat...because the other Ayaat talk specifically about meat....

Inshallah I could help, by the way....Kosher is just more expensive for the same KRAP.

You can eat food prepared by Ahlul Kitab (Christians and Jews) as long as the food does not contain meat (which you are not sure it is slaughtered in an Islamic way) or does not contain any other haraam in it like alcohol etc.

So if you're finding it difficult to get halal meat, you can purchase fish or look for veg options.

[Haydar Karrar]

Inquisitor, on 15 September 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

You can eat food prepared by Ahlul Kitab (Christians and Jews) as long as the food does not contain meat (which you are not sure it is slaughtered in an Islamic way) or does not contain any other haraam in it like alcohol etc.

So if you're finding it difficult to get halal meat, you can purchase fish or look for veg options.

Yes