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[Logical Islam]

 Inaya, on 31 August 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Ok, here's some more advice: stop talking about hooris and mutah so much in the presence of girls. It's really unattractive, there are thousands other subjects you can discuss/ talk about with girls. Show some intelligence and personality instead of: hey how many hooris will we get, hey would you ever do mutah, would you do mutah with a hoori, can I do mutah with multiple women, what about hooris blablabla...

BUT, I don't know what's going around in your mind, if you really are serious about those subject then who am I to stop you.

Mutah is a blessing and solution for mankind.

Houris are the fair maidens of heaven.

Jk sister(these are facts...but i am not obsessed), i am trying to untaboo the tabooed though.

 ImAli, on 31 August 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

I'm glad my husband is not like you. He thinks all of this is repulsive, trashy, and s!*tty looking.

Oh and the ones who wear hijab do look after themselves.....often times better than the ones who don't wear hijab...they just don't share it with you.

the whole point of hijab is to cover a womens beauty.

non muslims don't wear hijab and enhance their beauty, as s-----ty as it is...it's still 'attractive'

i think it's pathetic (some s....lts)

but it still is too 'pretty'

[ImAli]

 Inaya, on 31 August 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

One click to the social family/ marriage forum and the taboo is 'untabooed', it's been discussed countless times by now.

But you go ahead, discuss whatevaa you want and good luck finding a spouse. Inshallah khair!

Oh and mutah is a solution to mankind is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on shiachat.

nooooo

There was someone saying something about saving the prostitute from sin just that one time LOOOL

[Logical Islam]

 Inaya, on 31 August 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

One click to the social family/ marriage forum and the taboo is 'untabooed', it's been discussed countless times by now.

But you go ahead, discuss whatevaa you want and good luck finding a spouse. Inshallah khair!

Oh and mutah is a solution to mankind is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on shiachat.

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VISIT IT FOR THE FULL COVERAGE, BUT FOR YOU :

The facts are clear to us:

• No one could deny that it was Rasul Allah (saw) himself who RECOMMENDED (in fact ORDERED) Mutah Marriage in order to save oneself from sin.
  
• The argument of "Fasting" alone, cannot counter the well established recommendation/orders of Rasul Allah (saw) in relation to Mutah Marriage.

Allah (swt) and Rasulullah (s) never told the Muslims to control their sex drive via monasticism, neither did He (swt) give an order that they relieve themselves by acts such as masturbation or sex with melons - these innovations entered the religion later by the Ahl'ul Sunnah Ulema as methods of preventing Zina when these Ulema prescribed such curious methods to prevent Zinah don't you think Allah (swt) who is the best of Planners would have also prescribed the appropriate method? Alhamdolillah He (swt) did, He provided the option of temporary marriage to his adherents, a marriage that according to Ibn Abbas can be reinstated in emergency scenarios. An emergency scenario is clearly open to interpretation, and is very personal thing if a person needs a means of controlling his sexual desire then that emergency scenario has triggered and s/he can utilise Mut'ah. On a wider level if emergency scenario does not arise in the West where the pressure to commit Zinah is so great that safe sex is taught as part of a Curriculum in High Schools then when will it arise?

[Logical Islam]

sister, peace!

by the way," mutah should not be forbidden"

sister, it was ENCOURAGED by the prophet pbuh.

why are we tabooing a blessed and beautiful act? God has sent it as a solution

IF the shia school of thought is saying the truth.

 ImAli, on 31 August 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

nooooo

There was someone saying something about saving the prostitute from sin just that one time LOOOL

mutah with prostitutes are harram.

mutah is only allowed with muslims or ahle kitab houris

[wonderer]

trying to impress usually fails, esp if u impress her with being someone else and with flashing money

-look at old threads in this forums there r loads about what muslim ladies want in a man

to be honest, most the women I know only want a good guy; meaning he does his Islamic wajibat, has a stable job, compliment and respect the woman he is with, and a good sense of humor won't hurt.

when a man is with a 3rd party, what he says, how he presents himself, how he looks they all count. If he tries to chat up every hijaby or goes on about his wealth or how cool he is then he's just NOT impressing anyone.

good luck

[SatanicToast]

 Logical Islam, on 31 August 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

sister, peace!

by the way," mutah should not be forbidden"

sister, it was ENCOURAGED by the prophet pbuh.

why are we tabooing a blessed and beautiful act? God has sent it as a solution

IF the shia school of thought is saying the truth.



mutah with prostitutes are harram.

mutah is only allowed with muslims or ahle kitab houris

Outer beauty is spoiled by a lack of good manners, "Ahl Kitab" of the west is either not religious in the slightest (Materialistic) or too religious to indulge in what they see as fornication. So good luck on getting Muta going bro.

I honestly don't see the beauty in girls who flop out their bosoms and wear short shorts showing off their legs just to catch every guy's attention, at least anymore.

I used to think as you did, but came to the realization that Muslima's are wayyyyy better.

[Tima]

 Logical Islam, on 31 August 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

sister, peace!

by the way," mutah should not be forbidden"

sister, it was ENCOURAGED by the prophet pbuh.

why are we tabooing a blessed and beautiful act? God has sent it as a solution

IF the shia school of thought is saying the truth.

mutah with prostitutes are harram.

mutah is only allowed with muslims or ahle kitab houris

Shut up about mutah man. No one cares. Seriously, justify it for yourself, we don't need it "untabooed". It isn't even taboo. It happens, everywhere, everyday, and whatever. No one cares. Unless they're wahabi.

It's not your job to force it down peoples throats, you like it, do it yourself man. Jesus and cheese. You can be such a pancake.

As for houris, it's like talking about fairies. There's a fat chance any of us are going to heaven, so live for today with your liking of "mortal" flawed women. Go have tea or something.

[Logical Islam]

 Tima, on 31 August 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

Shut up about mutah man. No one cares. Seriously, justify it for yourself, we don't need it "untabooed". It isn't even taboo. It happens, everywhere, everyday, and whatever. No one cares. Unless they're wahabi.

It's not your job to force it down peoples throats, you like it, do it yourself man. Jesus and cheese. You can be such a pancake.

As for houris, it's like talking about fairies. There's a fat chance any of us are going to heaven, so live for today with your liking of "mortal" flawed women. Go have tea or something.

why do you intrigue me ?

Edited by Logical Islam, 31 August 2012 - 08:58 PM.

[Mutah_King]

 Logical Islam, on 31 August 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Mutah is a blessing and solution for mankind.

Wise words....


Hm, most of the time it is the parents you have to impress (Generally the girls father) and they do look for a lot of tangible things because the intangibles are hard to judge.  Best to go in with a job secured, a lot of these things are cliche but you should be yourself, if she does not like you then you should just move on to the next one.

[Brained]

Whenever I get bored, I come to this forum.

Such humor.      

[Tima]

This little piggy went to market....

[Crimson]

 Logical Islam, on 31 August 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

sister, peace!

by the way," mutah should not be forbidden"

sister, it was ENCOURAGED by the prophet pbuh.

why are we tabooing a blessed and beautiful act? God has sent it as a solution

IF the shia school of thought is saying the truth.



mutah with prostitutes are harram.

mutah is only allowed with muslims or ahle kitab houris

Why is it tabooed? Would you like your mum or sister to do mutah with a few men? It's not tabooed, it's a personal choice that if you want to sleep around with people before getting married and you seem happy to do it, then go ahead, hit the sign out button and turn of your computer and go do it than sit here making posts and dreaming about it which only makes your desires worse... No self control or will power what so ever, disappointing.

Most people here don't want to do mutah because they have some sort of mental strength and control their desires rather than let their desires control them so your not actually changing the status of mutah because I know people who are doing it all over the world. You just think it's tabooed because you can't find a partner... yeah most Muslim women would rather save it for their "real" husband and that's their choice.

As for advice take what Inaya said, stop talking about mutah and just women and houris it's the biggest turn off to women to just talk about sex related topics and think about them all the time, so instead of improving anything in your characters focus on this problem, get rid of it, control your desires then get rid of your other problems such as being shy, etc.

Have something different to aim to in your life than women, you making these threads and thinking about them all the time won't get you know where, but to make more threads and stay stuck where you are right now being controlled by your desires. You're not going to get married by doing this at all, which woman wants a man that thinks about sex related topics all the time rather than aiming for other things in life?

[Logical Islam]

i would not like my mum to do it because she is married.

if i hada daughter i knew was mature, and if i knew the guy was good, and she was mentally sharp, she's an adult and why would i stop her doing a sunnah of my prophet if it stops her form zina?

you go ahead and ban masturbtion, marrige is not easy to get in to i.e finance, mentally ready, , and then taboo a sunnah

[Crimson]

 Logical Islam, on 01 September 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

i would not like my mum to do it because she is married.

if i hada daughter i knew was mature, and if i knew the guy was good, and she was mentally sharp, she's an adult and why would i stop her doing a sunnah of my prophet if it stops her form zina?

you go ahead and ban masturbtion, marrige is not easy to get in to i.e finance, mentally ready, , and then taboo a sunnah

So you wouldn't have minded if your mom slept with 2 or 3 other guys then got married and you wouldn't mind that for your daughter? Why would she go near zina if she is trained to have will power and aims for different things in life than sleep with guys..? But clearly she wont be seeing as this is all you think about. Which man will take a used woman? Which man would feel comfortable? A few, trust me not many of them will. The Quran banned masturbation and it has bad effects on health too and I don't see me complaining? I only been Muslim for less than a year and I seem to have dealt with it more efficiently than born Muslims, find something else to do in your spare time than go for a short term pleasure. Life is full of things to do.

So marriage requires you to be financially able to, then instead of spending time on here why don't you if you are still in education study hard to get a good career, if you are already in a career, aim to improve in it, be productive. You complaining about a desire which seems to have complete control over you isn't getting you anywhere and the reason why you seem to complain a lot is because you can't find a mutah partner. Like I said, most would rather save it for one special person rather than share their bodies with a few, it's a personal preference that's common among the Muslims. So stop trying to convince people to sleep around with people and then get married, that's their choice and that's yours too. No one is stopping you. It's not tabooed, I personally don't want to sleep with someone else apart from my future wife and this goes for a lot of people, yes, we have self control over a part of our body and a few hormones, we developed it and you should too.

Edited by Crimson, 01 September 2012 - 10:11 AM.

[Logical Islam]

the prophet pbuh married 9 women, and might have slept with them all.

marrige and sexual desires are a natural thing.

let me think

do i masturbate, feel guilty of doing harram

OR

perform mutah and get the real thing and get thawab

we die anyway. i was not born to live up to anyones expectations but God.

[Crimson]

 Logical Islam, on 01 September 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

the prophet pbuh married 9 women, and might have slept with them all.

marrige and sexual desires are a natural thing.

let me think

do i masturbate, feel guilty of doing harram

OR

perform mutah and get the real thing and get thawab

we die anyway. i was not born to live up to anyones expectations but God.

The prophet had to do that to show that it's possible, but he never said marry 9 wives. Islam teaches us to control our desires not let them control us, so why would you end up masturbating and like I said the reason you discuss this so much is because no one wants to do it with you. Again, like I said most people don't like sleeping around with other people before marriage. But if you could do it you won't be here right now...

So you might as well sleep around as much as you can because you have no expectations apart from god, that's good but LOOL, you are a slave to your desires, I feel it for you.

[Logical Islam]

i will not respond to accusations, for Allah swt knows best.

to you your way, to me mine.

Edited by Logical Islam, 01 September 2012 - 10:44 AM.

[awaiting_for_the.12th]

Here is a hypothetical scenario i want to ask sisters if they will accept this guy. Be honest as Allah knows whats in our hearts.
The guy is funny, honest, loyal, knows and follows shia islam as well as he can, is intelligent in the sense that he knows islam inside out . He looks like an average Joe, slightly on heavier side, but goes to gym on weekends. He works in McDonalds and makes enough to support you and himself, and any future children you would have. Would you accept his proposal over a hottie that has a PhD, drives an A8, does his Wajibats but hardly knows much about islam and his responsibilities as being a Muslim since he is busy with work.
This is the only information you have for these 2 proposals.
Which one will you pick, keeping in mind Allah (swt) knows you better then you know yourself.

Edited by awaiting_for_the.12th, 01 September 2012 - 11:00 AM.

[Crimson]

 Logical Islam, on 01 September 2012 - 10:43 AM, said:

i will not respond to accusations, for Allah swt knows best.

to you your way, to me mine.

It's because you can't reply to me, everything I said was reality and facts. But you just want to dream and fantasize, you're only going to sin more. Fix up.

[Logical Islam]

Mutah is halal, and wajib if you feel you are in a habit of masturbating or doing it

I've posted a link to answering ansaar.

i have nothing to defend brother. This is an act God has allowed for those who can not marry, and can not resist masturbation.

it can be used simply to talk to a girl, to take her to a movie , ect.



i have been accused of 'can't helping my urges' when all i am doing is discussing a tabooed act. many muslims find it 'distasteful' when it is a solution.

i have the backing of ayatullahs, scholars, and others.

peace be with you.

i think at this point, it's fair to say we can both choose our own ways.

If the shia school of thought is WRONG and mutah is not recommended in these situations, what else have we got wrong ? it would put our whole school in disrepute, and how we analyse hadiths, the saheeh ones and such.

1. our school of thought is flawed - so even masturbation could be halal

2. our school of thought is not flawed, mutah is allowed, and anyone who wishes to taboo it should refrain from it themselves.

Thankfully, God lets us choose between muslims, christians, and jews =D

mutah is so tabooed, we have forgotten how many ayatullahs accept it, how our prophet pbuh recommended it, and all our doctrine.

you can refrain from a halal act.

i may NEVER do mutah.

i'm certianly going to get it untabooed.

[amira_786]

You're asking advice on how to impress Muslim women, but yet you're making ALL women sound shallow, vain and money hungry? Plus you're banging on about Mutah with a Christian Blonde?

Before you plan on marrying ANYONE, Learn to be more respectful.

[Logical Islam]

sister, almost every brother has jokingly called women shallow on here. read how the conversations have gone.

i am joking about that. i don't even know any blondes? a sister said something about blondes being dumb on page 1. i jokingly said i would temporarily marry a blonde.

respect is importiant, but even more so is looking at what people say in context.

peace be with you