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[islam313]

i was wondering how did adam and eve's children have children if they were the only ones?

[Quranist]

i have read it some time back, Allah had sent houris from jannnah for son of Adam(s) wallaho alam.

[Logical Islam]

LOL houris from jannah ?

Houris as described in the Quran have not been touched by any other men.

I guess that's where angelina jolie gets her DNA from.

Allah swt says he made us into nations and tribes.

While Adam and Eve are the first two, God created other's.

I do not believe in evolution, and one race can not turn into another lol.

Edited by Logical Islam, 29 August 2012 - 06:48 AM.

[fightingsoul001]

yamolaAlimadad, on 29 August 2012 - 04:59 AM, said:

i have read it some time back, Allah had sent houris from jannnah for son of Adam(s) wallaho alam.

Reference?

[Quranist]

fightingsoul001, on 29 August 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

Reference?

that was some islamic book in oxford library dont remember the name...

and for me it sounds logical or else we all would be [Edited Out]s.

[Logical Islam]

and God needs to send houiris from jannah, and can not create humans himself

[fightingsoul001]

yamolaAlimadad, on 29 August 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

that was some islamic book in oxford library dont remember the name...

and for me it sounds logical or else we all would be [Edited Out]s.

At that time criteria for Brothers and sisters were not the same as it is today.
I have never heard about horris.

[Jahaanali]

Salam
From tafsir al mizan
Marriage of the first generation after Adam and his wife (i.e., of their immediate children), was done between brothers and sisters (i.e., Adam's sons married his daughters), because they were the only human males and females at that time. There was no harm in this; because it is a legislative matter and it depends on the discretion of Allah; He may allow it one day and disallow it another day.

[Quranist]

Jahaanali, on 29 August 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

Salam
From tafsir al mizan
Marriage of the first generation after Adam and his wife (i.e., of their immediate children), was done between brothers and sisters (i.e., Adam's sons married his daughters), because they were the only human males and females at that time. There was no harm in this; because it is a legislative matter and it depends on the discretion of Allah; He may allow it one day and disallow it another day.

you are funny

quran clearly says laws of Allah does not changes....

fightingsoul001, on 29 August 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

At that time criteria for Brothers and sisters were not the same as it is today.
I have never heard about horris.

what could be possible criteria?

Edited by yamolaAlimadad, 29 August 2012 - 07:46 AM.

[fightingsoul001]

yamolaAlimadad, on 29 August 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

what could be possible criteria?

Brother jahanali cleared my point.

[Quranist]

fightingsoul001, on 29 August 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Brother jahanali cleared my point.

his point is flawed.

[fightingsoul001]

yamolaAlimadad, on 29 August 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

his point is flawed.

You assume things very quickly. Just wait, somebody else will give you some references. I don't have any so can't say any thing.

[myouvial]

lol

[Batool M. Rizvi]

brothers i have heard both the traditions, that is Hazrat Adam's n Bibi Hawa's children getting married and also the Houries of jannah being sent.. this question has been been kinda confusin for me also but lately i have gotten in touch with a scholar who really gives proofed answers. i was actually goin to ask her abt dis question, thanks fr bringin it up.. il have the answer in a day or 2, inshallah..

[Batool M. Rizvi]

well its mentioned in Hayatul Quloob by Allama Majlisi volume 1, chapter 2 part 5, that Allah did sent the Houries of Jannah for the sons of Hazrat Adam, (narrated by various Masoomeen). Also that it is haram in all the books and was haram even before Allah created Prophet Adam for brothers and sisters getting married. there are several traditions of Masoomeen in that part clearly saying that it is word of disrespect to say that Prophet Adam got his children married amongst each other (astaghfirullah).

this is an authentic reference.

myouvial, on 29 August 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

lol

by da way wats so funny???

[Basso]

islam313, on 29 August 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

i was wondering how did adam and eve's children have children if they were the only ones?

First you would have to accept the the story is literally true. To get past that hurdle and the next you must accept that all the natural laws of science did not apply. Er well my mind won't let me accept this so there it is. I can go no farther.

[Quranist]

Batool M. Rizvi, on 29 August 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

brothers i have heard both the traditions, that is Hazrat Adam's n Bibi Hawa's children getting married and also the Houries of jannah being sent.. this question has been been kinda confusin for me also but lately i have gotten in touch with a scholar who really gives proofed answers. i was actually goin to ask her abt dis question, thanks fr bringin it up.. il have the answer in a day or 2, inshallah..

I dont know why but females with name batool are always damn smart.

Batool M. Rizvi, on 29 August 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

well its mentioned in Hayatul Quloob by Allama Majlisi volume 1, chapter 2 part 5, that Allah did sent the Houries of Jannah for the sons of Hazrat Adam, (narrated by various Masoomeen). Also that it is haram in all the books and was haram even before Allah created Prophet Adam for brothers and sisters getting married. there are several traditions of Masoomeen in that part clearly saying that it is word of disrespect to say that Prophet Adam got his children married amongst each other (astaghfirullah).

this is an authentic reference.




by da way wats so funny???

subhanallah thanx for clearing this up for me.....

now I have some hope, as I am son of ADAM ( and i believe I am a good son) I have chances to get hourii from jannah if I dont find any female from earth

[Batool M. Rizvi]

yamolaAlimadad, on 29 August 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

I dont know why but females with name batool are always damn smart.



subhanallah thanx for clearing this up for me.....

now I have some hope, as I am son of ADAM ( and i believe I am a good son) I have chances to get hourii from jannah if I dont find any female from earth

well thanks for the complement and inshallah you'll get an excellent female on earth and a hourii from jannah as well..

[Quranist]

Batool M. Rizvi, on 29 August 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

well thanks for the complement and inshallah you'll get an excellent female on earth and a hourii from jannah as well..

shukran yaa ukhti

[Batool M. Rizvi]

yr welcome bro..

[AlAbd AlThaleel]

As for the issue of how the children of Adam and Eve would have reproduced, the most likely answer is the sons of Adam married the daughters of Adam. Even though incest is impermissible and has always been so, the definition of incest is marriage between relatives. However, since Adam’s children were the only people alive at the time, they were not relatives in the sense that they were not closer to each other in comparison to other people on Earth, because there was no one else on Earth. Therefore, the definition of incest cannot apply to that situation.

Source:

Further Explanation

[Logical Islam]

Lol

then could someone kindly suggest how we have many races today ?

[myouvial]

Batool M. Rizvi, on 29 August 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

by da way wats so funny???

hehe, sorry, just giving my expression of feeling toward ya mola as he just answer quickly. this reminds me to....never mind, sorry ya mola, batool etc, go ahead to discussion. i am learning from you all.

[Belial]

Logical Islam, on 29 August 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

I do not believe in evolution, and one race can not turn into another lol.

Of course one race can become another.  How is it you believe white people appeared in the north?  Do you think they just appeared from thin air?

Also, Adam and Eve couldnt be the only two people.  Two people alone wouldnt have enough genetic variation to lead way to everyone alive today, unless they evolved extensively fast which doesnt make any sense.

They also couldnt be the only two to have had children because when you inbreed similar DNA, the DNA is damaged and the organisms die.

http://www.shiachat....ve/page__st__25

Edited by Belial, 29 August 2012 - 07:36 PM.

[HamzaTR]

yamolaAlimadad, on 29 August 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

quran clearly says laws of Allah do not change....
what could be possible criteria?

I think you are talking about 33:62.. If yes, just asking why is it that you translate "Sonnatollah" as "Sharia" / "laws of Allah" ?

I always heard the opposite.. that is, sharias changed..

Allama Said Nursi said:

"Sacred laws change according to the ages. Indeed, in one age different prophets may come, and they have come. Since subsequent to the Seal of the Prophets, his Greater Shari'a is sufficient for all peoples in every age, no need has remained for different laws. However, in secondary matters, the need for different schools has persisted to a degree. Just as clothes change with the change of the seasons and medicines change according to dispositions, so sacred laws change according to the ages, and their ordinances change according to the (conditions and) capacities of peoples. Because the secondary matters of the ordinances of the Shari'a look to human circumstances; they come according to them, and are like medicine.

At the time of the early prophets, since social classes were far apart and men's characters were both somewhat coarse and violent, and their minds, primitive and close to nomadism, the laws at that time came all in different forms, appropriate to their conditions. There were even different prophets and laws in the same continent in the same century. Then, since with the coming of the Prophet of the end of time, man as though advanced from the primary to the secondary stage, and through numerous revolutions and upheavals reached a position at which all the human peoples could receive a single lesson and listen to a single teacher and act in accordance with a single law, no need remained for different laws, neither was there necessity for different teachers... /..."

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as for the first question, islam313, if you analyze the commentaries on "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)." [Quran 49:13] you will find the best answers..

and this might be helpful also: http://www.shiasourc...elf/tafsir-4-1/

and maybe http://www.shiachat....ai/#entry794711

ma salam

Edited by HamzaTR, 29 August 2012 - 08:02 PM.