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#26 Logical Islam

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:06 PM

View PostHaydar Husayn, on 29 August 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:


Maybe you can marry a woman who never got married, or who's husband ended up in hell. Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious that if you make it to Jannah, you won't be complaining regardless of what you are given.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:27 PM

Salam

@Abu Hadi: I agree with what you are saying except this statement:

"The purpose of this world is not to reward or punish (that is the purpose of the next world)."

I thought we are also tested in this world and punished/rewarded in this world. I would much rather get my punishment in this world than the next. Can you please clarify?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 08:21 PM

Salam,

We are punished and rewarded in this world, but the purpose of this world is not to reward or punish. The punishments and rewards in this world are only to test us. The punishments are there to test our patience, and the rewards are to test our taqwa. The reward or punishment is not an end to itself(in this world) but only a means to something else, i.e. the test.

If you think about it (and there are many hadith and ayats in Quran on this same subject)...
The reward you have in this world are ephemeral. They last for a very short time, change from one moment to the next, and could be ended at any second by your own death, the death of someone else, or any other type of misfortune.
The same is true of the punishments.

If you think about someone like Saddam(la) who murdered and tortured millions of innocent men, women, and children and at the end of his life what happened. He hung on the end of a rope for a minute or so before he stopped breathing and then the ceasing of brain activity a minute or so after that (clinical death). So if you think about it in terms of this world, his crimes were many and far reaching and his punishment was very, very short and in no way commensurate with his crimes. So he didn't get his punishment in this world, the purpose of this world was to test him and he failed the test in a miserable and spectacular way. His punishment will be in the next life and whatever punishment he suffered here is inconsequential.

Also, you look at someone like the Prophet(p.b.u.h) or Imam Ali(a.s) or even someone like a marjaa taqleed or a shaheed. They spend their whole life in miserable conditions suffering all sorts of hardships and deprevations, constantly disappointed by those around them and constantly being betrayed by those close to them. At the same time, despite all this, they continue to exert the maximum effort in the
way of Allah(s.w.a). Obviously they passed the test, and whatever reward they received in this life is inconsequential compared to what Allah(s.w.a) has promised them in the next life.

These are obvious cases, but all of us will gravitate toward one of those polls and we will either pass or fail the test and then receive the compensation. InShahAllah, all of us will pass.

Also there is a hadith by Imam Hassan(a.s) about this subject.

A man came to Imam Hassan while he was walking thru the streets of Medina.
This man said to Imam Hassan, 'You say that this world is a paradise for the unbelievers and a prison for the believers'.
Imam Hassan said, 'Yes, I said that'
So the man continued, 'Well I am an unbeliever (kafir). Yet, I suffer a great deal in this world. The sun has weakened my body, my children have abandoned me, and I am suffering all kinds of illness. So how is it that this world is a Paradise for me, while I see you eating nice food, in a good house, surrounded by friends and family, and with a healthy body, and yet you are a believer and I am an unbeliever. '

Imam Hassan told him. 'The suffering you are experience is nothing compared to what you will suffer (If you die as a kafir. You will look back on this life, and it will seem to you as a wide garden. At the same time, the benefits I am experiencing in this life are nothing compared to what Allah(s.w.a) has promised the believers in the next world. The believer will look back on this world (from the garden) and consider it to be a very miserable prison, even if in this world he had great wealth.'

Edited by Abu Hadi, 29 August 2012 - 08:29 PM.

Hadith #32.

With my continuous chain of transmission reaching up to Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulaynl, from al-Husayn ibn Muhammad, from al-Mu'alla ibn Muhammad, from al-Hasan ibn 'All al-Washsha', from 'Abd Allah ibn Sinan, from Abu 'Abd Allah, may Peace be upon him, which he said:

"Among the things pertaining to the soundness of a Muslim's certitude [in faith] is that he would not please people while displeasing God, nor blame them for something that God has not given him. For, verily, [God's] rizq (provision, sustenance) is not brought about by anybody's greed, nor is it withheld by anyone's disapproval, and were anyone of you to flee from his rizq like he flees death, his rizq would overtake him in the way he is overtaken by death." Then he added, "Indeed Allah with His justice and fairness, has put joy and comfort in certainty (yaqin) and satisfaction (al- rida) and He has put sorrow and grief in doubt and dissatisfaction."

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 08:42 PM

View PostAbu Hadi, on 27 August 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Also, I have a wife whom I love very much and she is a very good muminat. I have had the same discussion with her (with the points above) and she agreed with me in principle, although she was skeptical about the last one, but she admitted that 'Allah Alim' (Allah(s.w.a) knows better).

Wasn't telling your wife that you will get another woman in jannah awkward? Because I seem to feel awkward for you :P
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:11 PM

View PostLogical Islam, on 29 August 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:


lol. smart answer but still

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what hayder hussain meant was : one can marry a woman who never got married

or

one can marry a woman who's husband ended up in hell

he's not talking about the same woman, but giving a choice between 2 different kinds of women.

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Every part of me turns in different directions..

"Is it really so that the one I love..

..is everywhere?"


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:22 AM

Dude, lets end up in heaven first, and then wish to sleep with anything you want...

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:33 AM

View PostAbu Hadi, on 29 August 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

Salam,

We are punished and rewarded in this world, but the purpose of this world is not to reward or punish. The punishments and rewards in this world are only to test us. The punishments are there to test our patience, and the rewards are to test our taqwa. The reward or punishment is not an end to itself(in this world) but only a means to something else, i.e. the test.

If you think about it (and there are many hadith and ayats in Quran on this same subject)...
The reward you have in this world are ephemeral. They last for a very short time, change from one moment to the next, and could be ended at any second by your own death, the death of someone else, or any other type of misfortune.
The same is true of the punishments.

If you think about someone like Saddam(la) who murdered and tortured millions of innocent men, women, and children and at the end of his life what happened. He hung on the end of a rope for a minute or so before he stopped breathing and then the ceasing of brain activity a minute or so after that (clinical death). So if you think about it in terms of this world, his crimes were many and far reaching and his punishment was very, very short and in no way commensurate with his crimes. So he didn't get his punishment in this world, the purpose of this world was to test him and he failed the test in a miserable and spectacular way. His punishment will be in the next life and whatever punishment he suffered here is inconsequential.

Also, you look at someone like the Prophet(p.b.u.h) or Imam Ali(a.s) or even someone like a marjaa taqleed or a shaheed. They spend their whole life in miserable conditions suffering all sorts of hardships and deprevations, constantly disappointed by those around them and constantly being betrayed by those close to them. At the same time, despite all this, they continue to exert the maximum effort in the
way of Allah(s.w.a). Obviously they passed the test, and whatever reward they received in this life is inconsequential compared to what Allah(s.w.a) has promised them in the next life.

These are obvious cases, but all of us will gravitate toward one of those polls and we will either pass or fail the test and then receive the compensation. InShahAllah, all of us will pass.

Also there is a hadith by Imam Hassan(a.s) about this subject.

A man came to Imam Hassan while he was walking thru the streets of Medina.
This man said to Imam Hassan, 'You say that this world is a paradise for the unbelievers and a prison for the believers'.
Imam Hassan said, 'Yes, I said that'
So the man continued, 'Well I am an unbeliever (kafir). Yet, I suffer a great deal in this world. The sun has weakened my body, my children have abandoned me, and I am suffering all kinds of illness. So how is it that this world is a Paradise for me, while I see you eating nice food, in a good house, surrounded by friends and family, and with a healthy body, and yet you are a believer and I am an unbeliever. '

Imam Hassan told him. 'The suffering you are experience is nothing compared to what you will suffer (If you die as a kafir. You will look back on this life, and it will seem to you as a wide garden. At the same time, the benefits I am experiencing in this life are nothing compared to what Allah(s.w.a) has promised the believers in the next world. The believer will look back on this world (from the garden) and consider it to be a very miserable prison, even if in this world he had great wealth.'

good answer!

i just wish there was no eternal torment or hell....
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It's not who you are, it's what you do that defines you.

Truth is what i strive for. In the pursuit of truth, i am open minded if you can provide to me a more logical view on any of my beliefs , ideas, religious or scientific.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:45 AM

View PostLogical Islam, on 27 August 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

Love is not just about looks.

Love is stronger, personal, a  deep complex connection.

what if i want love with a mortal human, who has been through the same tests as i have and has lived with me my whole life ?

Than a houris.

Don't get me wrong, i am sure the houris are (____) and they know it!

but will a muslim, if granted jannah...get to tell the houris. sorry. there is only one women in my eternity ?

Or is heaven something incomprehendible, and the examples given only appealed to the arabs at the time , as a symbolic meaning of whatever you want ? (gold silk brocade? what if i want nike top and jeans ?(not being sarcastic!)

(bismillah)
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First thing, for each wife you marry, you will get 70 Houris, provided you go to paradise, secondly, if your wife is also a momenah, she will be more beautiful than all the other houris, if she is not a momenah, god forbid, Allah gives the chance of intercession even to a Momin Husband to save his wife from the fires of Hell. You can have her along with the Houris. Everything you find in Paradise, is according to Allah's Wish, and everyone will be contented with his lot.

If the Wife is a Momenah, and has more than one husband, then she will choose the one who is the most pious among them for her husband in Paradise.

So don't bother your head over this, you will be happy with your wife as well as the houries.

Pleasant dreams.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 09:50 AM

Great answer!

But what happens to a muslim convert, who goes to hell but has no-one to help him? since all of his family are not there?

Can Allah swt NOT intercede for us by his mercy?

otherwise it's all subjective , varies in context, not consistent

I KNOW i need to get in jannah first. i don't deserve heaven, and i don't quite like the idea of my humanity being ripped away fom me in hell.

if i can get anything i want in heaven

what if i want 71 houris. why 70. why not 80 ? why not 64

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:38 AM

Just a quick question to add, what do women get? Just their Husband they married or what?
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:02 PM

if we can get whatever we desire, i think women can get whatever they want as well.
'If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely'

WHATEVER I POST ARE MY OWN VIEWS, IDEA'S I AM WILLING TO CHANGE. DO NOT CONSIDER ANY OF THIS AS AN ATTACK. .

It's not who you are, it's what you do that defines you.

Truth is what i strive for. In the pursuit of truth, i am open minded if you can provide to me a more logical view on any of my beliefs , ideas, religious or scientific.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:47 AM

^

i do not want to be disrespectful so let me logically analyse the above.

You can have whatever you like in jannah.

why 70 houris ? why 100 ? what if i only want ONE? or two ? or infinity ?

"everyday"

jannah is eternal. what do you mean by 'day' ? it's a whole different realm.

so many of these hadiths i keep hearing contradict with logic.

may God have mercy on me, but i am starting to doubt
'If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely'

WHATEVER I POST ARE MY OWN VIEWS, IDEA'S I AM WILLING TO CHANGE. DO NOT CONSIDER ANY OF THIS AS AN ATTACK. .

It's not who you are, it's what you do that defines you.

Truth is what i strive for. In the pursuit of truth, i am open minded if you can provide to me a more logical view on any of my beliefs , ideas, religious or scientific.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:52 AM

What will youdo with infinite houris in a day ? ^

Don't shy be open lol
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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:05 AM

View PostAbu Hadi, on 29 August 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

Salam,

We are punished and rewarded in this world, but the purpose of this world is not to reward or punish. The punishments and rewards in this world are only to test us.

Though I feel highly embarrassed to talk about Paradise, but this time I could not silence my curiosity  .----

Brother, do we have to be adults in the Paradise? ---what about a person who lived her life without one or both of her parents and than wanted to live with them in Paradise as a child, not as a grown -up woman ?---would it be possible ?

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 09:12 AM

View PostLogical Islam, on 27 August 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

Love is not just about looks.

Love is stronger, personal, a  deep complex connection.

what if i want love with a mortal human, who has been through the same tests as i have and has lived with me my whole life ?

Than a houris.

Don't get me wrong, i am sure the houris are (____) and they know it!

but will a muslim, if granted jannah...get to tell the houris. sorry. there is only one women in my eternity ?

Or is heaven something incomprehendible, and the examples given only appealed to the arabs at the time , as a symbolic meaning of whatever you want ? (gold silk brocade? what if i want nike top and jeans ?(not being sarcastic!)
What if your wife dumps you for a houri male ?

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 01:20 PM

lol...^

nothing makes ANY sense

i pray for God to spare me hell.

i don't mind if i don't get into jannah. i want to avoid hell
'If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely'

WHATEVER I POST ARE MY OWN VIEWS, IDEA'S I AM WILLING TO CHANGE. DO NOT CONSIDER ANY OF THIS AS AN ATTACK. .

It's not who you are, it's what you do that defines you.

Truth is what i strive for. In the pursuit of truth, i am open minded if you can provide to me a more logical view on any of my beliefs , ideas, religious or scientific.

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 11:06 AM

View PostSimba, on 27 August 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

In Jannah, you can do whatever you want!

You will even be able to convert or modify your wife into an actual hoori - I think you should do that.. You can get best of both!

Why would you do that? Houris will have nothing compared to ur wife's beauty.
Just like wildan mukhaladoon, they won't be as handsome as your husband.

View PostCrimson, on 30 August 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

Just a quick question to add, what do women get? Just their Husband they married or what?

Men get houris
Women get wildan mukhalladoon.
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