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[Myo]

Salamualaikum.

    Quick question. If you live with non-relative females, can you perform mutah with them just so they are mehram to you (until like she gets married or something)?

Also, is there a limit to how many mutah wives a male can have, or is it 4 wives - permanent/temporary?

So like, for example, 1 male and 5 females live in 1 house. Can the male mutah all 5 females or max 4?

Jazakallah~

[Logical Islam]

Myo, on 26 August 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Salamualaikum.

Quick question. If you live with non-relative females, can you perform mutah with them just so they are mehram to you (until like she gets married or something)?

Also, is there a limit to how many mutah wives a male can have, or is it 4 wives - permanent/temporary?

So like, for example, 1 male and 5 females live in 1 house. Can the male mutah all 5 females or max 4?

Jazakallah~

Edited by Logical Islam, 26 August 2012 - 08:29 PM.

[Myo]

i laughed too when i typed my example but it is a serious question lol

[Logical Islam]

Dhulfiqar313, on 26 August 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Yes, you can do Mutah for the sake of relaxed hijab.  Just make sure your contract stipulates that no sex or touching will take place.

As far as I am aware, only 4 can be your wives.  However, you can always enslave one girl.  She would be one that "your right hand posses"

Edited by Logical Islam, 26 August 2012 - 08:28 PM.

[Myo]

How do you even go about enslaving a girl in Islam? I dont even know of the rulings of how one becomes a slave in Islam.

That would be nice though, enslave all the women since there is no limit to them.

[mkazmi]

score

[Gypsy]

Myo, on 26 August 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Salamualaikum.

Quick question. If you live with non-relative females, can you perform mutah with them just so they are mehram to you (until like she gets married or something)?

Also, is there a limit to how many mutah wives a male can have, or is it 4 wives - permanent/temporary?

So like, for example, 1 male and 5 females live in 1 house. Can the male mutah all 5 females or max 4?

Jazakallah~

Can't you find other accomodation where you don't have to live with five females stranger/non muhrim to you.

[Haydar Husayn]

Myo, on 26 August 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Salamualaikum.

    Quick question. If you live with non-relative females, can you perform mutah with them just so they are mehram to you (until like she gets married or something)?

Yes, this is allowed.

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Also, is there a limit to how many mutah wives a male can have, or is it 4 wives - permanent/temporary?

So like, for example, 1 male and 5 females live in 1 house. Can the male mutah all 5 females or max 4?

Jazakallah~

There is no limit on how many temporary wives a man can have at the same time.

[Myo]

Now i know your joking ~_~

no slave girls... *Sad panda face*

[Myo]

Salamualaikum, Thank you Haidar! So there is no limit to temp wives.

[Ruq]

^ Hey there, you can spend your time doing this, or you could spend it on something you actually cared about. I only say that because, if you were serious about an answer, you wouldnt be here trying to find it.

Have fun though.

[Crimson]

I don't think all 5 of them would agree to do it anyway... no offense but that is just awkward

[Myo]

Hi Ruqaya.

Why would I not be serious about an answer? If anything, your answer was not helpful at all. If I plan to take care of female orphans when im older and I want to be able to touch them like a parent would, why wouldnt Mutah be an option in this situation when shes an adult?

I am not after what you think.

[Gypsy]

Myo, on 27 August 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

Why would I not be serious about an answer? If anything, your answer was not helpful at all. If I plan to take care of female orphans when im older and I want to be able to touch them like a parent would, why wouldnt Mutah be an option in this situation when shes an adult?

The government might see this as a problem though. They generally don't give out orphan females to adopted fathers who are into marrying their adopted daughters.

[Logical Islam]

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.........................

why doesn't God just judge our intentions rather than mutah ?

if i want to be in a relationship with someone temporarily...what would vows do ?

if i have adopted daughters...God knows my intention o.o why do i need to marry them ? Why Does God not make specific dua's for this specific sitution

infact, he knows i am typing this, and knew this before creation.

WE are at fault. NOT God.

so what are we overlooking here

[Ruq]

Myo, on 27 August 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

Hi Ruqaya.

Why would I not be serious about an answer?

An answer to that might be - because you came here to ask a question about fiqh, someone answered one way and you ignored it, a second person answered another way (both of whom you have no idea about in regards to their qualification for answering such questions) and you decided to do taqleed to the second guy, presumably because you prefered his answer, without question. Yet there is a book called the Quran and something called a marja for people who are serious in finding out the answer to a question on fiqh, yet you chose here. Forgive me for not recognise the sincerity oozing from every word in your posts.

[Myo]

lol Gypsy. It would be an Islamic marriage so the government does not need to know about it. It is just in the interest to make it any touching halal.

And Yes Allah knows our intentions, but even if I have a pure.

And I was serious but I did not realize some answers were joking until later lol. Yes, the difficulty of online communication is you do not see our expressions that is why I try to avoid it.

I believed Haider because I remember a ruling vaguely about no limit to temporary wives so when he said it it sort of confirmed what I was thinking.

and it is always hard to contact my marja, Sistani like never replies so I do what I can. If you can find help find me an answer then please go ahead.

[Ruq]

^ try on the imam Ali foundation site, theres an 'ask a question' button. Theyre usually quite prompt with that but not if you email, in my experience.

[Haydar Husayn]

Myo, on 26 August 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Salamualaikum.

Quick question. If you live with non-relative females, can you perform mutah with them just so they are mehram to you (until like she gets married or something)?

The fact that a mut`a can be contracted with the condition of no sexual intercourse is well-known, and I can't see why anyone would think that it wouldn't be permissible to make a condition of no physical intimacy at all. Some people make such a condition in order to use mut`a as a 'halal engagement'.

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Also, is there a limit to how many mutah wives a male can have, or is it 4 wives - permanent/temporary?

So like, for example, 1 male and 5 females live in 1 house. Can the male mutah all 5 females or max 4?

Jazakallah~

The fact that there is no limit on the number of temporary wives is well-established. For some reason, this doesn't seem to be mentioned on Sistani's site for example, but there are many ahadith on it:

Chapter on that it is permissible to do mut`a with more than four women, even if he has four permanent wives

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from al-Husayn b. Muhammad from Ahmad b. Ishaq from Bakr b. Muhammad.  He said: I asked Abu ‘l-Hasan Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã about mut`a, is she from the four?  So he said: No.
And al-Himyari narrated it in Qurb al-Isnad from Ahmad b. Ishaq likewise.

3 – And from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Mahbub from Ibn Ri’ab from Zurara b. A`yan.  He said: I said: What is allowed from mut`a?  He said: However many you want.


And many other similar ahadith. There are a couple that go against this, but they are put down to taqiyya, given the large number of ahadith that oppose them.

Myo, on 27 August 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

Hi Ruqaya.

Why would I not be serious about an answer? If anything, your answer was not helpful at all. If I plan to take care of female orphans when im older and I want to be able to touch them like a parent would, why wouldnt Mutah be an option in this situation when shes an adult?

I am not after what you think.

Well, it may technically be allowed, but it's a bit weird (since you will be married to girls you consider to be your daughters). Somewhat similiar situations are mentioned by some marjas, but they involved marrying their child to the person they wish to become mahram to (since this makes it permanent).


2438. In order to become Mahram (with whom marriage contract becomes haraam and is treated to be one of the close relatives), a father or a paternal grandfather can contract the marriage of his na-baligh son or daughter with another person for a short period, provided that it does not involve any scandal or moral lapse.
However, if they marry a minor boy or a girl who is not in anyway able to derive any sexual pleasure during the period from the spouse, then the validity of such a marriage is a matter of Ishkal.

2439. If the father or the paternal grandfather of an absent child, marry it to someone for the sake of becoming Mahram, not knowing whether the child is alive or dead, the purpose will be achieved only if during the period fixed for marriage, the child can become capable of consummating marriage. If it later transpires that it was not alive at the time the marriage was contracted, it will be considered void, and the people who had apparently become Mahram will all become Na-Mahram.

http://www.sistani.o...&id=48&pid=2350


Notice the bolded part however.

Edited by Haydar Husayn, 29 August 2012 - 07:48 AM.

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