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[ßÑíã]

Tell me oh Shi'a...

Why is Imam Hassan forgotten by many of us?

Out of the 5 Ahlul Kis'a members ; he is the least remembered and mentioned.

Indeed it is shameful that in Muharram there is majalis left right and centre; whereas on his martyrdom anniversary there is barely any

Take a look at how many visitors Imam Hussein has on a daily basis; and then take a look at how many Imam Hassan has - why do we allow this to happen?

The wahabi guards don't let us come close enough to his grave; this I understand, but does this mean we shouldn't even visit him at the least or even on a regular basis?

We have a responsibility towards this saint and if we don't act upon it - by my Lord we will be held accountable.

[GodBlessAli]

What you say is true. The Messenger of Allah said: "Al-Hasan and al-Husain are the chiefs of
the youth of Paradise and Fatimah is the chief of their women."

Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p660, on the authority of Abu Sa'id and Hudhayfa

The 14 Infallible figures are equal authority, may Allah bless them all.

[Gotham]

oh man, youve voiced what ive always thought.
then again, if you look at us, we always put emphasis on imam ali, imam hussain, imam zainul abideen, imam jafar as sadiq [occasionally, for hadith], and imam e zamana. the other imams, we dont really know all that much about them. for shahadat majlises, you hear their masaib less, and imam hussain 's masaib more. (NOT putting imam hussains grievences down or anything.)

we suck.

[Envir-Islam]

AstaghfurALLAH. I absolutely agree. You did voice what I have always thought. We need to make others aware of the significance and wonderfulness of ALL the Imams . First is for us to learn about them all and the importance each one has made. Then we can begin to inform others.

[Durr-e-Najjaf]

Assalam o alaikum. As far as the grievance for Imam Hussain asws is concerned , it is widely known that Imam Zainul Abideen asws observed sorrow from 1st Muharram till 8th of Rabiul Awwal. So we follow his Sunnah. As for Imam Hassan asws , its true that he is mourned less than Imam Hussain asws.Iam not trying to compare between  the 2, but the martyrdom of Imam Hussain asws was much more brutal ,keeping in view the circumstances and what his Family went through...... Yes its sad that we don't know much about other Imams asws and their Families.

[ßÑíã]

haidernyc, on 22 August 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

oh man, youve voiced what ive always thought.
then again, if you look at us, we always put emphasis on imam ali, imam hussain, imam zainul abideen, imam jafar as sadiq [occasionally, for hadith], and imam e zamana. the other imams, we dont really know all that much about them. for shahadat majlises, you hear their masaib less, and imam hussain 's masaib more. (NOT putting imam hussains grievences down or anything.)

we suck.

Envir-Drema, on 22 August 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

AstaghfurALLAH. I absolutely agree. You did voice what I have always thought. We need to make others aware of the significance and wonderfulness of ALL the Imams . First is for us to learn about them all and the importance each one has made. Then we can begin to inform others.

Thanks for your replies...

Sayed Ammar done a series of lectures in 2011, carrying out a seperate biography on each one of the 14 infallible's - outlining the events that took place in their lives and how they lived; their inspiration towards the people; their calamities etc the link is right here: http://www.sayedamma...mmarnakshc.html - Scroll down to the section: RAMADHAN 2011. Believe me the amount you can learn about each and every one of them from these verbal biographies makes it totally worth it!

Taqvi80, on 22 August 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

Assalam o alaikum. As far as the grievance for Imam Hussain asws is concerned , it is widely known that Imam Zainul Abideen asws observed sorrow from 1st Muharram till 8th of Rabiul Awwal. So we follow his Sunnah. As for Imam Hassan asws , its true that he is mourned less than Imam Hussain asws.Iam not trying to compare between  the 2, but the martyrdom of Imam Hussain asws was much more brutal ,keeping in view the circumstances and what his Family went through...... Yes its sad that we don't know much about other Imams asws and their Families.

Don't get me wrong brother, I'm not saying Aba Abdillah a.s doesn't deserve the attention he attracts today; for verily he deserves more than this! Of course Imam Hussain a.s faced more oppression and the tragedy that befell him was more severe - this I agree, however we must call to mind that if Imam Hassan a.s was in his position he would have done exactly the same, and we also must call to mind that Hassan a.s is in fact the man that Hussain a.s looked up to; he is in fact his role model and his master.

I don't think Hussain a.s will approve of what's currently happening. If we can't even call Al-Mujtaba to mind and honour him very often at heart and within our communities; then verily how will we ever truly follow him.

[Logical Islam]

There is nothing wrong in visting the graves of these holy people to recite salam or surah fatiha.

However, let us concentrate more on what they taught.

If this is what you mean i.e the messages, morals, and teachings we can obtain from the second imam, then i am in total agreement of you.

If you mean let us just continue praising, remembering him for the sake of remembering him, i feel the first option will do humanity better.

[Durr-e-Najjaf]

I agree with you bro. The fact is we people do not usually make the effort to know more about our Aima asws than is spoon fed to us during majalis and lectures. We dont regard it as our duty and obligation to find out what They asws did, what They taught us, what They liked, what Tihey disliked etc. If we are in love in our life, we want to know each and everything about our beloved one. However , when it comes to getting to know all about the lives of Masoumeen asws, we simply don't have time. And I am sure we shall be questioned on that too ...... how much we loved those whom we claimed to be our Leaders, Role Models , Commanders, and Hujjat asws. May Allah increase our knowledge about The Holy Family Of The Holy Prophet SAWW.

[ßÑíã]

Logical Islam, on 23 August 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

There is nothing wrong in visting the graves of these holy people to recite salam or surah fatiha.

However, let us concentrate more on what they taught.

If this is what you mean i.e the messages, morals, and teachings we can obtain from the second imam, then i am in total agreement of you.

If you mean let us just continue praising, remembering him for the sake of remembering him, i feel the first option will do humanity better.

Thanks for your reply..

How will you do what I highlighted in bold if you hardly call most of them to mind often?

There's no such thing as remembering him for the sake of remembering him; for verily even remembering him in itself is ibadah.

And yes I do mean the messages, morals, teachings etc - however in order for these to be triggered; remembering him is an essential requirement without doubt.

Taqvi80, on 23 August 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

I agree with you bro. The fact is we people do not usually make the effort to know more about our Aima asws than is spoon fed to us during majalis and lectures. We dont regard it as our duty and obligation to find out what They asws did, what They taught us, what They liked, what Tihey disliked etc. If we are in love in our life, we want to know each and everything about our beloved one. However , when it comes to getting to know all about the lives of Masoumeen asws, we simply don't have time. And I am sure we shall be questioned on that too ...... how much we loved those whom we claimed to be our Leaders, Role Models , Commanders, and Hujjat asws. May Allah increase our knowledge about The Holy Family Of The Holy Prophet SAWW.

Very well said brother. Illahi Ameen.

[tahiraansari]

Thanks for bringing this up as i think about it myself. I always try to remember all of the Imams a.s. and feel a little sad and appologize to those who people seem to forget. Allah appointed all of them as our Imams a.s. Alhamdulilah

[respect sahaba RA]

ßÑíã, on 22 August 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

Tell me oh Shi'a...

Why is Imam Hassan forgotten by many of us?

Out of the 5 Ahlul Kis'a members ; he is the least remembered and mentioned.

Indeed it is shameful that in Muharram there is majalis left right and centre; whereas on his martyrdom anniversary there is barely any

Take a look at how many visitors Imam Hussein has on a daily basis; and then take a look at how many Imam Hassan has - why do we allow this to happen?

The wahabi guards don't let us come close enough to his grave; this I understand, but does this mean we shouldn't even visit him at the least or even on a regular basis?

We have a responsibility towards this saint and if we don't act upon it - by my Lord we will be held accountable.

Very true.
Indeed we have forgotten to do the zikr of this great Imam of ours. As GodBlessAli says, Rasool Allah SAWW said that Hasan and Husain are the chiefs of the youths of Paradise. They are indeed equal in status. And there is one saying of Imam Hussain AS where he calls Imam Hasan AS as "his master".
We should do the zikr of Imam Hasan AS just as we do the zikr of Imam Hussain AS and we should try to give both of them equal importance. Any muslim who has knowledge about Islam and Imam Hasan AS would know the fact that the Sulh of Imam Hasan AS with Muawiya was indeed a step which could be taken by a chosen holy personality, whose greatness is indeed worth discussing and it was this Sulh of Imam Hasan AS that paved way for the shahadat of Imam Hussain AS. A life changing saying of our Mola Hasan is "Piety is the gateway of all repentance and the principal of all wisdom and the distinction of all deeds."

Praying for my Shifa'a on the day of Qayamat from Rasool Allah SAWW and Imam Hasan AS.
Ghulame Hasane Mujtaba
Ahmad

[azhar-karbalai72]

Every time when I am faced with adversity I encourage myself to be as charismatic and honorable as Rasoolullah , as brave and strong as Imam Ali , as loyal and steadfast as Bibi Fatima , as noble and virtuous as Imam Hussain   and as patient and persevering as Imam Hasan . Truly, it saddens me to think of Imam Ali's feelings after the "election" of AB, and it also saddens me to think of Imam Hussain alone, thirsty, and surrounded by enemies, But what makes me break down (like right now) is the thought of Imam Hasan having no rest due to the massive conspiracies that plagued him, and the fact that his own soldiers left him, and the fact that Muawiya's PR campaign among the hypocrites pitted the ignorant men against him and finally, the fact that his own wife murdered him. His was a life filled with intrigue and political turmoil, and what surprises me is the fact that he not only stood up against the dirty politics, but refused to take part in any activity that would threaten Islam. Inspite of the fact that his own men betrayed him, he stood steadfast. It is that thought which makes me think of him whenever I think of Imam Ali and Imam Hussain, At the end of every Majlis, when we are chanting 'Ya Hussain", i quietly add "Ya Hasan", because even though they gained martyrdom in different ways, their positive attitude makes their Shahadat so similar

As a postscript, I mean to add that of course Imam Hussain's way of shahadat overshadowed the other martyrdom traditions, but I wanted to honour the perseverance of Imam Hasan as well