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[ADELAZAR]

I am a huge advocate for Palestine. I have family from there. I am Shia. This is a problem apparently. I got publicly called out today, the first day of Eid, on all days...and was personally blamed, me, and all Shia, as the #1 reason why the Ummah will never come back. Yes that's right. We, WE ARE TO BLAME, for the entire whole of the Muslim world not being united.

I .... I am speechless.

But I will not abandon Ahlul Bayt.

[Qa'im]

Don't allow the opinions of others to bother you. You'll find that people believe opposite things on all issues and have their reasons for it. Sometimes people's opinions are based on rational assessment, but other times they are marred by their biases.

The Sunnis, in their history, have not been united on much. They have disagreed (and continue to debate) on subjects of `aqeeda, fiqh, and politics. I would argue that the only thing they were united upon was, that they were not Shi`a. We're only 15% of the Umma, how could we destroy a nation of over a billion people? If there were no Shi`a, they'd probably still be divided on these issues; because most of their quarrels do not involve Shi`as or Shi`ism.

Anyway, truth is beyond the opinions of others. Even if all the people in the world despised Ahl al-Bayt , they'd still be who they are and their obedience would still be obligatory. al-hamdu lillah for that.

Edited by Qa'im, 20 August 2012 - 12:25 AM.

[awaiting_for_the.12th]

Salam Alikum sister,
Seems like you are a lot emotional from your posts. Which is good at times, but also it has its negatives. Sunnis are the way they are. If you really expect much from them then its your own flaw. Sunnis point to Shias, Shias point to Wahabis, Muslims in general point to Israel. Thats how it is and probably will be in the unforeseeable future. We can be tolerant and united against common enemy but will never think positive about each other, so there is that.

[Hasan0404]

Salam. U mean you are being criticized coz u are shia, by Palestinians? What is the strength of shias in palestine?

[Brained]

Yes, apparently we are also responsible for Israel's brutalities, Pakistan's failures, fall of the Mughal Empire, loss of the Ottoman Empire, the siege of Baghdad, the ending of the "Islamic Golden Age", the rise of America and the Zionists, Saudi Arabia's abysmal scientific progress, Bird Flu, HIV, Cancer, rising oil prices, global warming and also the collective failure of Muslim countries.

When the Saudi king can't sleep, we're to blame.

And, those with intelligence will not blame a us for their failure, only people with pea-sized brains will do that.




^An illustration of the brain that blames us for their failure.

[Hasan0404]

When the Saudi king can't sleep, we're to blame.

Brother brained i disagree. we shias are to blame when this old chap cant sleep . I hope you understand me.

[Ricky-Dee]

Salam Alikum sister,
Seems like you are a lot emotional from your posts. Which is good at times, but also it has its negatives. Sunnis are the way they are. If you really expect much from them then its your own flaw. Sunnis point to Shias, Shias point to Wahabis, Muslims in general point to Israel. Thats how it is and probably will be in the unforeseeable future. We can be tolerant and united against common enemy but will never think positive about each other, so there is that.

not to derail the topic lol, but is everyone emotional to you brother ? are you a psychologist ? im not taking a stab but i think its funny you say that because it seems everyone here is according to you. Happy eid btw

I am a huge advocate for Palestine. I have family from there. I am Shia. This is a problem apparently. I got publicly called out today, the first day of Eid, on all days...and was personally blamed, me, and all Shia, as the #1 reason why the Ummah will never come back. Yes that's right. We, WE ARE TO BLAME, for the entire whole of the Muslim world not being united.

I .... I am speechless.

But I will not abandon Ahlul Bayt.

Dont worry sis, apparently Hezbollah and the people of the jnoob are there to protect Israels borders. We are defenders of Zionism in their eyes lol. Never mind everyone that got killed in all those wars. I mean Jordan, West Bank, Egypt, Turkey who openly have peace treaties with them are not defenders at all. Its all the Shia fault, because the ONLY way through to Israel is apparently through south Lebanon.

Unless you speak donkey, just ignore them

my 2 cents

[Follower]

Sister, people can say what they want but the facts speak for themselves.

Nobody has fought the zionists as fiercely as Hezbollah.

No nation has championed the Palestinian cause as strongly as the Islamic Republic.

Both have them have continuously stressed for harmony, even though they didn't have to. Both of them have given the blood of their martyrs and the money of the people for these causes, even though they didn't have to.

These are the facts.

Wallahu A'lam

[awaiting_for_the.12th]

not to derail the topic lol

Which is exactly what you are doing.
My 2 cents

[ADELAZAR]

not to derail the topic lol, but is everyone emotional to you brother ? are you a psychologist ? im not taking a stab but i think its funny you say that because it seems everyone here is according to you. Happy eid btw




Dont worry sis, apparently Hezbollah and the people of the jnoob are there to protect Israels borders. We are defenders of Zionism in their eyes lol. Never mind everyone that got killed in all those wars. I mean Jordan, West Bank, Egypt, Turkey who openly have peace treaties with them are not defenders at all. Its all the Shia fault, because the ONLY way through to Israel is apparently through south Lebanon.

Unless you speak donkey, just ignore them

my 2 cents

Sister, people can say what they want but the facts speak for themselves.

Nobody has fought the zionists as fiercely as Hezbollah.

No nation has championed the Palestinian cause as strongly as the Islamic Republic.

Both have them have continuously stressed for harmony, even though they didn't have to. Both of them have given the blood of their martyrs and the money of the people for these causes, even though they didn't have to.

These are the facts.

Wallahu A'lam

Salam Alikum sister,
Seems like you are a lot emotional from your posts. Which is good at times, but also it has its negatives. Sunnis are the way they are. If you really expect much from them then its your own flaw. Sunnis point to Shias, Shias point to Wahabis, Muslims in general point to Israel. Thats how it is and probably will be in the unforeseeable future. We can be tolerant and united against common enemy but will never think positive about each other, so there is that.

Well, I just fully embraced Shia Islam. I was not Sunni before, but I didn't have a complete path, I just now chose during Ramadan. And I also just joined ShiaChat because I needed friends, a community, and hopefully I can make friends in real life on here, because I am very isolated now.

There are Shia in Palestine, but it is a very small number, and they do practice taqqiyah fully because of the ferocity at times of the Sunni there.

With mention to Hezbollah...EXACTLY. That's what I say to them, and they fall silent. Yea right, Hezbollah protects Israel LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL yea yea, right (sarcasm).

My brothers and sisters, there is a reason why Shia Muslims, we, are fought and hated on, killed from within and outside our communities. And it's not because we are kuffar or wrong. It's because we are the true defenders of justice, our people, and the deen.


EID MUBARAK TO ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ßÑíã]

I am a huge advocate for Palestine. I have family from there. I am Shia. This is a problem apparently. I got publicly called out today, the first day of Eid, on all days...and was personally blamed, me, and all Shia, as the #1 reason why the Ummah will never come back. Yes that's right. We, WE ARE TO BLAME, for the entire whole of the Muslim world not being united.

I .... I am speechless.

When you say publicly called out; do you mean somebody announcing it through giant speakers from the mosque? lol that bit isn't so clear. In terms of us being the reason for the ummah never coming back; they need to rephrase that - because unlike them WE ARE THE UMMAH .

But I will not abandon Ahlul Bayt.

By My Lord; that loyalty is priceless.


Eid Mubarak to you too sister!

Edited by ßÑíã, 20 August 2012 - 12:22 PM.

[Hot hot]

Great thought unity with the tyrants

[ADELAZAR]

Great thought unity with the tyrants

Don't misunderstand me, I do not wish to just bring them in and forget about everything. No! I mean educate them, do not force it down their throats, be of light and educate them. Dear brothers and sisters, I have seen Sunni turn to Shia...and it is happening more and more. It is happening in Palestine, in Egypt...they are awakening. And these revolutions, PRAISE Allah, they are divine...they will remember Imam Hussain now! He is the one who taught them how to fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ßÑíã]

Great thought unity with the tyrants

In my opinion brother, there are sunnis who are just ignorant; lacking knowledge and no proof has come to them yet - these are simply people who don't know,

and then there's the sunnis that proof has come to; yet they still decide to turn a blind eye to it! - these are clearly the tyrants and lovers of tyrants at that bro not the ignorant ones.

[Follower]

In my opinion brother, there are sunnis who are just ignorant; lacking knowledge and no proof has come to them yet - these are simply people who don't know,

Brother, we are lacking in tabligh. The school of ahlulbayt is so logical, complete and beautiful that with a little bit more of an effort from us, and with a reordering of our priorities in life, crowds of people would embrace the haqq.

Like you said, there are millions of muslimeen, even some Shia, who know nothing about the ma'soomeen and their teachings.

[ßÑíã]

Brother, we are lacking in tabligh. The school of ahlulbayt is so logical, complete and beautiful that with a little bit more of an effort from us, and with a reordering of our priorities in life, crowds of people would embrace the haqq.

Like you said, there are millions of muslimeen, even some Shia, who know nothing about the ma'soomeen and their teachings.

I agree with your statement bro, but it's just a matter of gaining the right publicity - the truth seekers and the innocently ignorant people! From the way I see it, we attract more enemies to debates and lectures than we do them, and with all the rumours going around about the Shi'a; it just gets harder for many to see hope in what we follow.

On the other hand though let's not forget Allah The All-Just guides whom he wills whether our community reaches them or not.

[ADELAZAR]

Agreed 100000000% with the last two posts

[GreyMatter]

I am a huge advocate for Palestine. I have family from there. I am Shia. This is a problem apparently. I got publicly called out today, the first day of Eid, on all days...and was personally blamed, me, and all Shia, as the #1 reason why the Ummah will never come back. Yes that's right. We, WE ARE TO BLAME, for the entire whole of the Muslim world not being united.

I .... I am speechless.

But I will not abandon Ahlul Bayt.

I am always surprised as to how are we to blame for unity, especially by these Palestinians.

I have a Palestinian friend who started talking how bad Shias are. Turns out, many of his friends were Shias, we taught him the stuff we Shias are doing for Palestine.
The next day, he comes to me and shouts 'YA MAHDI' for then on, he was all in for his Shia Brothers and criticized the Saudi government for causing Fitna against Shias lol. Another Palestinian soon after followed his footsteps.

It is because of Iran that the Palestinians have weapons to defend themselves. If it were not for us Shias, they did have nothing but stones. It is we who come for their plight and give them weapons.
It is also we Shias who dedicate the last Juma of Ramadan for our Palestinian brothers. Ayatollah Khomeini strongly emphasized the importance of the Quds day and urged other countries ( Namely Sunni countries) to join the cause. So we passionately rally for our Palestinian brothers on the last Juma.

When Israel was bombing the Gaza Strip in 2008, hungry and dying Palestinians urged their Sunni Eygptian brothers to help them, and they did not even let the dying Palestinians in.
The Mubarak Government made the Camp David agreement which means the Sunnis in Eygpt will not only help their dear Palestinians, but will also BLOCK vital food supplies.
The Zionist Israelis have an argument here, they said that how are only the Zionists bad ones? When their own Egyptians do the same we do; that is blocking food, goods to Palestine.
So Israel along with the Egyptians made Gaza an 'open air prison'.

Qatar regularly meets the Israeli president, the Saudis write hand written letters to them.
Israel did crush the Sunni armies of Syria, Eygpt etc and it was our Hezbollah militants who thought them a lesson. The Shias of Lebanon also shelter the Palestinian refugees. When the Salafi leaders of Saudi Arabia turned their backs and forgot about the Palestinians, it is the Shias who are helping the Sunni brothers. It is also we Shias who influenced the Syrian government to shelter Hamas' leaders.


So we are never to blame, in fact we are to be praised for trying to unite the Ummah.
Also we played a huge part in the Amman Messages, which was another step we wanted to bring our Ummah closer.


Sunnis are always divided among themselves. The joke here is that the only time Sunnis unite is when they are to criticize Shias.

Edited by GreyMatter, 20 August 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[Follower]

I agree with your statement bro, but it's just a matter of gaining the right publicity - the truth seekers and the innocently ignorant people! From the way I see it, we attract more enemies to debates and lectures than we do them, and with all the rumours going around about the Shi'a; it just gets harder for many to see hope in what we follow.

Brother thanks for your reply.

Another thing I would like to emphasize here is individual activism. Currently what we usually do is tell people "please watch this lecture on youtube" or "please read this book on al-islam" or "please come to our center and talk to the Sheikh". InshaAllah, if we all take a small part of our day to study the deen then we will be able to directly educate people rather than having to redirect them to links, articles, lectures etc...

Also, the Shia must be more proud of who they are. Sometimes you might have vaguely known someone for years, but never realized they are Shia (or sometimes even Muslim!?) because they seem to be so discrete about it. Also, we must aim for high standards and not just satisfy ourselves to be one of the crowd. The Shia must build a reputation for trustworthiness, honesty, manners, principles, generosity and all other qualities that are displayed by the Ahlulbayt and their followers, and emphasized in our religion.

May Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì guide us all.

[ADELAZAR]

Brother thanks for your reply.

Another thing I would like to emphasize here is individual activism. Currently what we usually do is tell people "please watch this lecture on youtube" or "please read this book on al-islam" or "please come to our center and talk to the Sheikh". InshaAllah, if we all take a small part of our day to study the deen then we will be able to directly educate people rather than having to redirect them to links, articles, lectures etc...

Also, the Shia must be more proud of who they are. Sometimes you might have vaguely known someone for years, but never realized they are Shia (or sometimes even Muslim!?) because they seem to be so discrete about it. Also, we must aim for high standards and not just satisfy ourselves to be one of the crowd. The Shia must build a reputation for trustworthiness, honesty, manners, principles, generosity and all other qualities that are displayed by the Ahlulbayt and their followers, and emphasized in our religion.

May Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì guide us all.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I do this! I say to people, la I am Shia Muslim..and they say, but you have family in al Quds, not Beirut...and I say yes, and Imam Hussain was killed in Karbala, but he lives in my heart, and in the hearts of all us!!!!

[tahiraansari]

so long ago, i wondered if possibly the palestenians were undergoing what they were because they denied the leadership ofAhlu Bayt a.s. If you're read my posts before, i try to base my opinions on hadith and not let my own imagination run wild. Later when i gained more knowledge i was even more open to the idea that the palestinians were being oppressed because of their abandonment of Ahlu Bayt a.s.
I let Allah judge everything. I just try to do the right thing myself and pass on the light and knowledge to those who are interested. Myself, if i have a problem i try to see if i have done something wrong, or if Allah is testing me, or whatever so I apply this same scenario to my own self.
After reading a lot more hadith i wonder (and we should always discriminate between what we are thinkling and what Ahlu Bayt a.s. has said) even more if the palestinians are reaping the consequences of oppressing the Ahlu Bayt a.s. by denying them their a.s. rights.
We should think about things before we jump to big conclusions!
anyone throwing tomatoes yet?!!!!

[ßÑíã]

Brother thanks for your reply.

Another thing I would like to emphasize here is individual activism. Currently what we usually do is tell people "please watch this lecture on youtube" or "please read this book on al-islam" or "please come to our center and talk to the Sheikh". InshaAllah, if we all take a small part of our day to study the deen then we will be able to directly educate people rather than having to redirect them to links, articles, lectures etc...

Also, the Shia must be more proud of who they are. Sometimes you might have vaguely known someone for years, but never realized they are Shia (or sometimes even Muslim!?) because they seem to be so discrete about it. Also, we must aim for high standards and not just satisfy ourselves to be one of the crowd. The Shia must build a reputation for trustworthiness, honesty, manners, principles, generosity and all other qualities that are displayed by the Ahlulbayt and their followers, and emphasized in our religion.

May Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì guide us all.

Pleasures mine bro.

I totally agree 100%, couldn't have said it better.

[ADELAZAR]

so long ago, i wondered if possibly the palestenians were undergoing what they were because they denied the leadership ofAhlu Bayt a.s. If you're read my posts before, i try to base my opinions on hadith and not let my own imagination run wild. Later when i gained more knowledge i was even more open to the idea that the palestinians were being oppressed because of their abandonment of Ahlu Bayt a.s.
I let Allah judge everything. I just try to do the right thing myself and pass on the light and knowledge to those who are interested. Myself, if i have a problem i try to see if i have done something wrong, or if Allah is testing me, or whatever so I apply this same scenario to my own self.
After reading a lot more hadith i wonder (and we should always discriminate between what we are thinkling and what Ahlu Bayt a.s. has said) even more if the palestinians are reaping the consequences of oppressing the Ahlu Bayt a.s. by denying them their a.s. rights.
We should think about things before we jump to big conclusions!
anyone throwing tomatoes yet?!!!!

I absolutely believe that Shami people (of the Levant, Libnan through Palestine, Jordan, etc) are absolutely being punished for not embracing the reality of 1. what happened at Karbala and 2. Not reading the Qur'an and hadith that stipulates adherence to Ahlul Bayt.

NOW! When I say this, I mean...Yazid of our days comes in many forms. We must be wise enough to not establish teams and embrace generalizations. As much as we can rail on Sunni kings and queens here, we also must be able to point fingers at the false Shia "leaders" that bring no good either. The fact is, greed and lust are too alluring in these times, and they ensnare people easily, especially Arab men. I am sorry but it is true. Arab men...ha! It is far too easy to sell an Arab man's soul...but ya Allah, when you inspire him, when you remind him, when he is awakened, my he is the strongest of men, the strongest of fighters....

I ask fellow Palestinians...tell me, please, what have the Sunni rulers given you? Please....please tell me.

They usually fall silent.

Mankind does not like being told that everything that he believes in is a lie, or that the people he trusts are liars...that is why the reversion to Shia is slow..but wallahi it is there. They are coming. And with stronger, more compassionate, honest voices, they must come.

[tahiraansari]

Thanks for your response.! If one goes back to the hadith, one sees that the covenant of the Shia were taken way back when Allah said "am I not your Lord?" but most people don't read the Ahlul Bayt 's tafsir of this and it explains so much along with the hadith about the heart of the Shia and what it is made of.
It's not empty words when I say that I am so grateful for the blessing Allah has bestowed on me. I ask Him through my heart and His Wasila to not let me be of those who kill Husein a.s. i this era.
One time I was sitting in the dahia in muharram. i was thinking "these people can be horrible... are they crying really for Husein and what he a.s. stood for or are they crying because their backs hurt, or they are fighting with their family? I didnt say a thing but when I walked out with my neighbor, she said "Do these people think that Imam Husein a.s. will accept their tears when they are a bunch of hypocrites?"
I wish all of us would work harder to read hadith... lots of them on lots of topics... and keep putting the pieces of the puzzle together so we have a clearer picture for ourselves.... and then do the best we can inwardly and outwardly to follow their a.s. advice because their a.s. advice is the advice of our Creator.

oh.. someone said i was a brother... no , i'ma sister but I'm internet stupid and can't put in a different picture... wish I could!

[ßÑíã]

Most Arabs nowadays lost the plot I agree, placing hands in alliance with the enemies of God, promoting nowhere near Islamic teachings in the city that the greatest creation of Allah swt began his mission, sitting in palaces of Gold - I need to start doing taqiyah in my nationality, because many people are stereotypical and my image as an individual sometimes gets blackened due to how my people are in general (fun now, religious when they get ill), and most of the girls in particular don't even get me started.

It's HezbAllah that provided Hamas with weaponery and got imprisoned in the process, their sunni leaders gave them nothing, yet look at the example many of them turn to as a result, its really shameful I totally agree.

There's minimal in our hands to be honest, but even with that little step we could take we shouldn't disregard it. Just like brother Follower indicated; we have a responsibility on our shoulders to be like magnets of truth, we carry the whole image of our school on our backs, if we mis-represent ourselves individually; we've actually mis-represented every single one of us! (literally it backfires like that) < we should call this to mind more often, I think only then will our actions be more on point.

Edited by ßÑíã, 21 August 2012 - 05:07 PM.