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[Haydar Karrar]

I know that Abu Lu'Lu killed 'Umar ibn Khattab and supposedly did us a "favor".....but did he do right? He did not kill 'Umar ibn Khattab for Islam, nor did he have permission to do so.......in fact, some people say that he killed 'Umar ibn Khattab because the harsh treatment of the Persians.

Why do we praise this man? They say he was Shi'a....if he was, he would have gotten permission from Imam Ali , like many true Shi'a Sahaba did, but Imam Ali denied permission, keeping the promise to Rasulallah .

For all I know, this man was a murderer full of 'Asabiyyah who did not care for Islam.....yes, he ended up doing a relatively "good" thing, but his Niyyah was not to hurt 'Umar ibn Khattab, it was to destroy Khilafah and end Islam.....and just out of curiosity, can anyone provide Sahih Hadith of one the A'imma praising him.....just out of curiosity.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

I'll be looking forward to this.

[Hoper]

"Shi'as like him because "an enemy of my enemy is my friend." Kind of like how Shi'as like Bashar al-Assad, Alawites are definitely ghulat by our beliefs, but since he sides with Shi'as in politics we support him. Or Hugo Chavez Shi'as like him even though he is not motivated by Islam because of hte politics."

Salam Aleikum!

First of all, Shia like him is a lie, did you talk to every Shia? I am SHIA and I do not like the guy because I do not know much about him, secondly, he killed Umar because of his own motives that have nothing to do with Ahlul Bayt , read the book by Wilfred Madelung called Succession to Muhammad

Bashar al-Assad comes from an Alawi family, but he himself follows Sunni fiqh, look in youtube how he performs his prayers.

Chavez is not motivated by politics, the man is a Liberation Theologist and Socialist, which makes him a true Ahlul-Kitabi and an ally in many areas.

I am shocked when I see some so called Shia  who assume that the more anti-Sunni they appear the more Momeen they are, this sectarian approach is a great service to Zionists and imperialists.  These psudo-Shia forget that our Prophet and Imams said often that our Shia are not by label, but by actions= Taqwa and Ahlaq. It upsets me so much when I see so called Shia who come on Muharram to cry for Imam Hussein and than when Quds rally comes, come up with 100 excuses why they cannot attend this rally just to cover up their own coward characteristic or those who curse Yazid (LA) but their own life-style is similar to Yazid (LA).

On this forum there is a lot of sectarianism, which I think moderators  should control a bit more. Sunnis are our brothers and our differences should not be grounds for hatred. If US and Britain that share a history of bloodshed can be allies, why cant we be friends with our brothers? This applies to sectarian Saudified "sunnis" and sectarian Shias.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

If he wasnt even a Muslim why does he get to have after his name?

[al-`Ajal Ya Imaam]

Ali Musaaa :), on 10 August 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

If he wasnt even a Muslim why does he get to have after his name?

Because he killed Umar.

I'm with Haydar Karrar on this, Umar may have done what he had done, but there is no use praising a murderer. Though said murder was because of a Judgement Umar made. Really to think guys, would our Imams be happy at such Akhlaq? Would they be happy to see that their "followers" are praising a murderer? Astaghfir Allahi Rabi Wa A'tubu Ilayhi, this is doing nothing but causing disunity and anger..

[Sapphire]

Finally we are thinking like Muslims. I am so proud of all of you.

A person whose intentions are personal and are against a grudge which lead to killing of a Khalifa, then I would say his intentions were to end Muslim unity and create a riot in which he succeeded to some extent. We Muslims are always fighting over it which is shameful on our part.

[Abu 3antar]

Abu Lulu killed an unjust ruler for his own reasons, not for the sake of the rights of Ahlul Bayt . This "my enemy's enemy is my friend" logic is heavily flawed.

Edited by Jaber, 10 August 2012 - 10:55 PM.

[Hasan0404]

Well guys, i will share what i think, though it might sound a little creepy.

As it is evident that Umar waged a war of conquest on many nations, Presia was
among the victims. As Umar inflicted atrocities on common Persians, belittled them in every possible way.
So a Persian avenge him for the atrocities Umar inflicted on his race. Nothing to do with Islam or Shi's.
It was revenge of a freedom seeker. As you sow, so shall you reap.

For the same reasons persians became supporters of Ahlulbyt when they saw real isalm.

Thats what i think of this.

[Murtada]

Precisely. I don't understand why some idiots say after his name when they have no real evidence which would even point in the direction of that man being a Muslim, LET ALONE a Shi'i.

[al-`Ajal Ya Imaam]

Murtada, on 10 August 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Precisely. I don't understand why some idiots say after his name when they have no real evidence which would even point in the direction of that man being a Muslim, LET ALONE a Shi'i.

there is none, he was most likely a Zorasrtian.

[AliHussainFaraji]

I thought they were destroying his tomb in Iran?

http://www.persianmi...eSubCategory=32