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#26 Son of Placid

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 04:16 PM

Your contradictions are did someone see or not, did someone hear or not. There is no contradiction about who fell off the horse and why.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 06:49 PM

Belial said:

Christianity is too unspecific to be proven wrong.
There are more than enough specific parts to prove it wrong.

View PostSon of Placid, on 18 August 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Your contradictions are did someone see or not, did someone hear or not. There is no contradiction about who fell off the horse and why.

The very concept of Christianity is contradictory. The Old Testament and the New Testament for example. God's word is perfect and never changes. The divine truth yesterday is the same as it is today. The Torah, part of which is included in the Bible, would also not have any contradictions if not for man having altered it.

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 11:31 PM

View Postomar111, on 18 August 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Do you have any proof that Jesus appeared to Paul on the Road to Damascus? We do have contradictory accounts of appearance, of which Paul is the sole witness. This is strange that Jesus never appeared to his twelve true disciples and chooses a person who made a living by persecuting Christians, his only Prophet to gentiles. :donno:

Jesus did appear to His apostles and we have been told that He was with them 40 days before He ascended to heaven.
The proof of both appearances, is in the fact that Paul was converted, and in the fact that the Apostles went out to spread the word, after earlier having fled.  All were convinced.  How would you account for this?  The fact that Christianity exists is the testimony to Jesus and His appearances.  There were many who saw, who heard, and believed.
There is no better testimony than a man converted.  I have witnessed this truth in sinners who have come to God.  The change is miraculous to witness.  Perhaps this is why God used Paul.

Also, Paul was a Roman citizen.  This gave him better freedoms, and protections, to travel, and preach and teach, to the Roman citizens.  Still he suffered the same persecutions he once doled out.  What would make him do this if not a miraculous change?  Whatever would cause him to surrender his elite position in both the Jewish and Roman communities?  This to me is the most convincing evidence of the Truth of Jesus and His message.

Edited by CLynn, 18 August 2012 - 11:39 PM.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 09:15 AM

View PostMuhammad Ibrahim, on 18 August 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

There are more than enough specific parts to prove it wrong.



The very concept of Christianity is contradictory. The Old Testament and the New Testament for example. God's word is perfect and never changes. The divine truth yesterday is the same as it is today. The Torah, part of which is included in the Bible, would also not have any contradictions if not for man having altered it.

Yet Christianity still works.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 12:56 PM

Oh? How?

Can you produce a single verse from the Bible where Jesus (as) tells us to worship him?

"I wanted a high position in life, I found it in modesty. I wanted leadership, I found it in giving advice. I wanted dignity, I found it in honesty. I wanted greatness, I found it in poverty. I wanted lineage, I found it in virtue. I wanted majesty, I found it in contentment. I looked for peace and found it in asceticism." - Uwais al Qarni


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Posted 19 August 2012 - 01:21 PM

View PostDhulfiqar313, on 19 August 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:


No, but I can provide several where he accepts worship.

The limitations of translation.

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Trinitarian claim: `Jesus received worship as God (Matthew 14:33; 28:9) and sometimes even demanded to be worshipped as God (John 5:23; compare Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 5:8-14).' McDowell 1973, 12.

Unitarian Answer: The worship of gods in Greek is gen­erally expressed by other words than the one translated `worship' in the New Testament. The Greek word trans­lated `worship' in the New Testament seems to emphasise the bodily position of prostration involved in worship. As such it differs from the general usage of the Greek word, which implies giving honour by kissing or bowing to kiss the hand or even foot. This kind of worship in Greek generally was not for God or gods, but for people in high position from whom petitions are made. The worship of gods in Greek is generally expressed by other words. Most of the texts in the New Testament either refer clearly to worship of God or are somewhat ambiguous acts of homage. Some texts show clearly that the word does not imply divinity. Such an example is in Matthew 9:18. `While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead...' This abject homage of the ruler was certainly not the worship of Jesus as God. Dictionaries of New Testament Greek made even by Trinitarian scholars recognise this variety in the usage of the word. Even Matthew 2:2,8,11; 20:20; Luke 4:7; 24:52 are considered by Harper and Row's Analytical Greek Lexicon to be examples of the word in which it does not imply divinity. The line between the two meanings will therefore often be deter­mined by the faith of the reader, and as such cannot be construed as proof of the deity of Jesus.

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 12:21 AM

View PostCLynn, on 18 August 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

Jesus did appear to His apostles and we have been told that He was with them 40 days before He ascended to heaven.
The proof of both appearances, is in the fact that Paul was converted, and in the fact that the Apostles went out to spread the word, after earlier having fled.  All were convinced.  How would you account for this?  The fact that Christianity exists is the testimony to Jesus and His appearances.  There were many who saw, who heard, and believed.
There is no better testimony than a man converted.  I have witnessed this truth in sinners who have come to God.  The change is miraculous to witness.  Perhaps this is why God used Paul.

Also, Paul was a Roman citizen.  This gave him better freedoms, and protections, to travel, and preach and teach, to the Roman citizens.  Still he suffered the same persecutions he once doled out.  What would make him do this if not a miraculous change?  Whatever would cause him to surrender his elite position in both the Jewish and Roman communities?  This to me is the most convincing evidence of the Truth of Jesus and His message.


Paul initial mission was to catch and prosecute the rebels and to stop any further uprising against the Romans (Galatians, 1:13-14). In the end the Romans had to change their plan as there were so many of them. Paul became a Romans agent and preached a message to counter the revolutionary idea (Voskuilen, and Sheldon, 2008).

Paul urged his followers to obey the Romans authority (Romans, 13:1-5). The idea was to tell the Jews that Jesus was not a rebel as he was willing to be sacrificed so that the rebellion against the Romans will end




   There is a fourth century tradition that Paul and Seneca were friends and correspondents. Seneca and Paul both used the unusual Hebraic word “caro” meaning “flesh”. Paul appeared before Seneca’s brother Gallio, Proconsul of Achaia in 51 AD, in Corinth and Gallio dismissed the case against him. Seneca was also a friend of Burrus, the Praetorian Prefect during Paul’s imprisonment who also treated Paul leniently. Paul was allowed to preach the gospel while still in prison. Now Seneca and Burrus were not just common citizens of Rome that Paul might have met casually. They were or became the rulers of Rome when Nero was a boy. Nero’s mother Agrippina employed Seneca as Nero’s tutor and for several years he effectively ruled the empire alongside Burrus. If Paul was pardoned, as seems probable, Burrus arranged it. Seneca could have met Paul through either of these two common agents. Indeed, the friendship could have preceded the known history of Paul

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 05:26 PM

After a bit of research on the above mentioned authors, the book written by them(from which the above statements are taken) sounds like a work of fiction, drama, conjecture, and consiracy... but not reality.  Not in view of all the letters of Paul that we have attesting to His deep devotion to Christ.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:17 AM

Yes, this is indeed a fairy story. Don’t you see how the number one Public enemy of The Romans was treated by the Romans?
Rather than being housed as a common criminal, the apostle was permitted to live in his own rented dwelling, though  in the company of a guard (Acts 28:16, 30; . Ephesians 6:20).  It is generally conceded that during this time-frame the apostle penned four epistles—Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and Philemon (though not necessarily in this sequence).
It is true that Paul was granted some rather unusual liberties, as mentioned earlier.  
Acts 28:16 And when we came to Rome, the centurion delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard: but Paul was suffered to dwell by himself with a soldier that kept him.
29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him
We know from the material in 1 Timothy, Titus, and 2 Timothy, that Paul was released. He preached several years more, perhaps going all the way to Spain (. Romans 15:24),

Paul was certainly treated in a much better then Jesus, both by Jews and Romans. Maybe Paul was the real Prophet of the Christians and Jesus was just sent as filler.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:41 AM

jesus (pbuh) according to the bible in 3 narrations it was narrated that he prayed to the lord 3 times to prevent the cruxifiction, and of course our Creator is so Merciful and all Hearing that he must of heard his prayers  as you all cristians believe too tha his prayers were answer, so with this little evidence its evident that jesus(pbuh) prayers were heard and was not cruxified rather raised by the Almighty the best planner Allah swt

now brothers how clear can that get the truth is out there for he who has and ear and puts his intillect and reason to it and of course for all that he asks the Creator who created everything,  to whom all prophets all the way to jesus (isa) (as) to muhammad (pbuhahp) prayed  too, ask him to give you permission to beleive in the truth and guide you inshAllah you will find your self a muslim (submitted the will of the Almighty)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:47 PM

41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

42 "Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."  43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.  (Luke)

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (John)

Edited by CLynn, 21 August 2012 - 02:51 PM.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:48 PM

View PostCLynn, on 21 August 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

42 "Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."  43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.  (Luke)

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (John)

exactly of course its the will of god to be done but we have the will to pray and supplicate to god to prevent any calamity we fear or to change our destiny if there is something not good for us,lets just say if God gave u a vision in how you were going to die a terrible death (astafirullah may God protect us from that) so after the vision u had you are scared frightned, arent you going to pray to God to save you to prevent  it from happening but also in a humbble way tell him if its his will then to let it be done, so since  jesus pbuh is closer to our creator then you and me his supplications is more likely to be heard inshAllah (god willing).

another thing wich this is enough evidence of why the trinity does not make sense, you and me know that god never sleeps and defenetly never dies astafirullah, and cristians claim that jesus pbuh is more then what he is then if he jesus pbuh accordidng to the bible  died then what are they saying about god, so brother its clearer then glass that God never dies and and never sleeps, by saying that jesus is more then what he is something to be serious about and one should reflect on the light (truth) that is in front of us, also adam pbuh didnt have a father nor a mother so what does that make him,  who was his father or mother, its the same with jesus pbuh just because he didnt have a father does not mean he has to have a father, If you know our creator a little oh  my brother you will know that all he has to say is be and it is just like when he created everything , look i use to go to cristian churches before i embraced islam and  now that i embraced islam  with the permission of Allah (god) who gave me permission to believe i have found  happiness with my lord but for my brother you have to give in to him and accept the truth and let it lead you towards your destination and that is to the religion of all prophets pbut Ahlul bayt pbut which is islam (peace) andsubmission to god alone (muslim) inshAllah i hope those who love God and fear his wrath may be guided

Edited by Jihadi, 21 August 2012 - 03:10 PM.


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:05 PM

God willing... Yes... but Jesus always knew and spoke from the beginning about what it was which He knew He would face.
Of course.  Anyone would ask that there be another way... no one faces pain willingly and without trepidation.
How often does God tell you "Yes", and how often does He tell you "NO", because He knows things must be fulfilled in His way, not yours.
I know I must accept His will even if it is not my own, and the answer to my prayers has never been a resounding, "Yes, I will do it your way instead of My own."

Edited by CLynn, 21 August 2012 - 03:07 PM.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:11 PM

View PostCLynn, on 21 August 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

God willing... Yes... but Jesus always knew and spoke from the beginning about what it was which He knew He would face.
Of course.  Anyone would ask that there be another way... no one faces pain willingly and without trepidation.
How often does God tell you "Yes", and how often does He tell you "NO", because He knows things must be fulfilled in His way, not yours.
I know I must accept His will even if it is not my own, and the answer to my prayers has never been a resounding, "Yes, I will do it your way instead of My own."

i extended my previews post read it bro

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:41 PM

View Postomar111, on 21 August 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Don’t you see how the number one Public enemy of The Romans was treated by the Romans?
Rather than being housed as a common criminal, the apostle was permitted to live in his own rented dwelling, though  in the company of a guard

These are good and valid questions.  I have asked them also.

Early form of 'house arrest' for a non dangerous criminal?

I do know that, as a Roman citizen Paul was protected from certain convictions and penalties that would be applied to other people... i.e., non-Romans.  The laws were not exactly equally applied in those days, were they?  Perhaps that is why God chose to use Him.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:19 PM

View PostCLynn, on 21 August 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

42 "Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."  43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.  (Luke)

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. (John)

Rather a strange thing to say from someone who supposedly chose this role in eternity past, isn't it?

If Jesus (aka God) was indeed dying to redeem the sins of mankind, then you have to wonder why he showed reluctance to be crucified.
And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him). [Qur'an 10:18, Shakir translation]

Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful. [Qur'an 39:3, Shakir translation]

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:41 PM

"If Jesus (aka God) was indeed dying to redeem the sins of mankind, then you have to wonder why he showed reluctance to be crucified. "

Because He was in the flesh and flesh can be wounded.  If you were from a place where there was no bodily pain do you suppose you would easily submit to such as Jesus went through, or would it be an overwhelming prospect to have to face?

Edited by CLynn, 21 August 2012 - 06:42 PM.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:04 PM

View PostCLynn, on 21 August 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

"If Jesus (aka God) was indeed dying to redeem the sins of mankind, then you have to wonder why he showed reluctance to be crucified. "

Because He was in the flesh and flesh can be wounded.  If you were from a place where there was no bodily pain do you suppose you would easily submit to such as Jesus went through, or would it be an overwhelming prospect to have to face?

Many non-divine humans have showed a lot more willingness to die for what they believe is right than Jesus did in being crucified. And if someone is God, I don't think they should be afraid of some temporary suffering.
And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him). [Qur'an 10:18, Shakir translation]

Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful. [Qur'an 39:3, Shakir translation]

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:18 PM

Interesting thought.

What if you had never had the experience of pain before? Might it be a bit more frightful to think about?
In the case of humans choosng to die it is usually because they have had enough of the pain of this life and look forward to going to something better... a pain free existence beyond this earth.
But what if you had never had to deal with pain? Wouldn't the prospect of knowing what it was going to be like loom even greater?

Just a thought.
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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:32 PM

View PostCLynn, on 21 August 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

Interesting thought.

What if you had never had the experience of pain before? Might it be a bit more frightful to think about?
In the case of humans choosng to die it is usually because they have had enough of the pain of this life and look forward to going to something better... a pain free existence beyond this earth.
But what if you had never had to deal with pain? Wouldn't the prospect of knowing what it was going to be like loom even greater?

Just a thought.

So are you basically saying that God didn't really know what pain is (even though He is the creator of bodies) and got scared?

The thing about the quotes you cited is that they just don't make any sense in the context of believing Jesus to be God.  Why would God be praying to Himself, and if he was God, why would it say "not my will but yours", isn't that clearly negating that they are the same?  If he were in fact God, the above sentence would mean "not my will but mine" or "not your will but yours", neither of which make any sense.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:07 PM

View PostCLynn, on 21 August 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

These are good and valid questions.  I have asked them also.

Early form of 'house arrest' for a non dangerous criminal?

I do know that, as a Roman citizen Paul was protected from certain convictions and penalties that would be applied to other people... i.e., non-Romans.  The laws were not exactly equally applied in those days, were they?  Perhaps that is why God chose to use Him.


Was Paul a Roman citizen? That is debatable.

Like all things related to Paul, we only have the testimony of Paul that he was a Roman citizen

Many theories are proposed to prove his citizenship, but every theory has flaws in them.
It's not clear that why Paul's family would have been Roman citizens - they certainly weren't from a Roman patrician line (Paul is a "Pharisee, a son of Pharisees." Acts 23:6).St.Jerome relates, on what ground is not known, that his parents were natives of Gischala, a small town of Galilee and that they brought him to Tarsus when Gischala was captured by the Romans (Illustrious men 5; "In epist. ad Phil.", 23) .There are suggestions that the city of Tarsus, where Paul was born, was set free, so that most of the free inhabitants of that city would become Roman citizens. Sources don't seem to agree on when and why Tarsus was set free.

Paul was not a Roman citizen. One imagines that, in the ancient world, there weren't robust ways to verify identity, that he was just bluffing to save his hide and the Romans believed him.
Acts 31
24 the commander ordered that Paul be taken into the barracks. He directed that he be flogged and interrogated in order to find out why the people were shouting at him like this. 25 As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, “Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn’t even been found guilty?”
26 When the centurion heard this, he went to the commander and reported it. “What are you going to do?” he asked. “This man is a Roman citizen.”
27 The commander went to Paul and asked, “Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?”
“Yes, I am,” he answered.
28 Then the commander said, “I had to pay a lot of money for my citizenship.”
“But I was born a citizen,” Paul replied.
29 Those who were about to interrogate him withdrew immediately. The commander himself was alarmed when he realized that he had put Paul, a Roman citizen, in chains.

But Paul made one mistake. Although he claimed that he was born in Tarsus (which made him a roman citizen), he was afraid that someone from Tarsus will claim that he is not from there. So he claimed that he spent all his youth among Jews in Jerusalem (Acts 26: 4) having been sent there to study under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3).But he never knew that ancient literature refers to Tarsus as a seat of Greek philosophy,so there was no need to send him to Jerusalem.

I already told you that the tribunal was forced to accept that Paul was a roman citizen, because he had friends at high places.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:39 PM

View Postmacisaac, on 21 August 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

So are you basically saying that God didn't really know what pain is (even though He is the creator of bodies) and got scared?

The thing about the quotes you cited is that they just don't make any sense in the context of believing Jesus to be God.  Why would God be praying to Himself, and if he was God, why would it say "not my will but yours", isn't that clearly negating that they are the same?  If he were in fact God, the above sentence would mean "not my will but mine" or "not your will but yours", neither of which make any sense.

To answer the first question God knew the pain, but not being flesh did not know pain in the flesh... Jesus would have to not only know the pain but would have to experience it in the flesh.

As for the second,
You have to understand the one in three Godhead.  It is a mystery that God reveals through His Son(God in the flesh), and in the coming of the Holy Spirit to indwell those who believe.  If the heart is not open it will not be revealed.  I have tried on many occasions to explain it, but the heart has to be open to receive it, and only God can open the heart.  Open heart - open mind.  A closed heart - a closed mind - will not be able to receive it.  Much like Pharaoh even though the signs were right before his eyes, his heart was hardened and he would not see.  Meditate on God and maybe He will reveal Himself and the mystery that is in God.  You have to get beyond human thinking.  Is God so simple that we should put the limitations of our simple human minds on Him... the One who created everything of which there is still a mystery.  God is greater than all that we can imagine.
Here is the mystery that was revealed in Christ.  May God bless you.

# We worship One God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the substance.
# For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Spirit. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is One, the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.
# Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit; the Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated; the Father infinite, the Son infinite, and the Holy Spirit infinite; the Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet not three eternals but one eternal, as also not three infinites, nor three uncreated, but one uncreated, and one infinite. So, likewise, the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty; and yet not three almighties but one almighty.
# So the Father is God, the Son God, and the Holy Spirit God; and yet not three Gods but one God. So the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord; and yet not three Lords but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be both God and Lord; so are we forbidden by the Catholic religion to say, there be three Gods or three Lords.
# The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone, not made nor created but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and the Son, not made nor created nor begotten but proceeding. So there is one Father not three Fathers, one Son not three Sons, and Holy Spirit not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity there is nothing before or after, nothing greater or less, but the whole three Persons are coeternal together and coequal.
# So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Trinity in Unity and the Unity in Trinity is to be worshipped. He therefore who wills to be in a state of salvation, let him think thus of the Trinity.
# But it is necessary to eternal salvation that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. The right faith therefore is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
# He is God of the substance of the Father begotten before the worlds, and He is man of the substance of His mother born in the world; perfect God, perfect man subsisting of a reasoning soul and human flesh; equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood.

In human form He was less than God because He was subject to the flesh.

[Edit: Dhulfiqar313 gave a good, simple explanation]

Edited by CLynn, 22 August 2012 - 12:27 AM.

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#48 CLynn

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:21 AM

View Postomar111, on 21 August 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:


What proof is there of the things you say, against that of the things that for millennia have stood, when they surely would have been called into question long before now.  Even during the times in which Paul did his writing, people could have disputed what he said if it was not true.  Where are those disputations?

What is more interesting to note is why the questioning is happening now.  What you propose are only theories... a preponderance of people's imaginations.  Why have these theories suddenly emerged?  There is no proof to substantiate these theories either.

and what I said earlier can not easily be dismissed;
"in view of all the letters of Paul that we have attesting to His deep devotion to Christ. "
We have no reason not to believe in him.
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Judge, we must, each man by his own deeds, and not by the ideology which he proclaims. - C.Lynn
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:16 AM

hey clynn are u femiliar with this verse, For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace...." (1st Corinthians 14:33 King James Version Bible)

now like i tell non musllims the books the God sends down for guidance are like maps and once they are change you will NOT be able to get to point a to b,  there is no way bro if your trying to get to to a certain address from your house its more likely you will get lost  if your GPS is program is tampered with  or a compass that is broken or a Map whose streets  numbers and roads have been changed and thats 100% that you will NOt get to your destination or you will never know the truth, now look at what the bible has  it has 101 contradictions, whats the excuse for that as a new muslim who embraced islam with the permission of Allah i was shown the truth alahmdulillah, but if you follow a book wich is changed you will not know the truth so willl  follow something thats been change and based on other peoples desires not
what God desires anymore?

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace...." (1st Corinthians 14:33 King James Version Bible)



1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
* God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
* Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
* Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
* Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
* Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
* Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
* Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
* Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
* Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
* Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
* Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
* Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
* Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
* Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
* After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
* Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
* Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
* Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
* One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
* Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
* Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
* Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa’s reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
* Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 – 16:8)
* Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
* Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
* Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
* Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
* Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
* Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
* Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
17. How many were the children of Zattu?
* Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
* Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
18. How many were the children of Azgad?
* One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
* Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
19. How many were the children of Adin?
* Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
* Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
20. How many were the children of Hashum?
* Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
* Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
* Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
* One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
* 29,818 (Ezra)
* 31,089 (Nehemiah)
23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
* Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
* Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
* Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
* Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
* Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
* No (Joshua 15:63)
26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
* Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
* Hell (Luke 3:23)
27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
* Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
* Nathan(Luke3:31)
28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
* Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
* Neri (Luke 3:27)
29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
* Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
* Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
* Joram (Matthew 1:8)
* Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
* Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
* Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
* Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
* But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
33. Who was the father of Shelah?
* Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
* Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
* Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
* No (John 1:19-21)
35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
* Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
* No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
* One – a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
* Two – a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.
37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
* By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
* His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
* By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
* On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
* Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
* No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
* Yes (Mark 6:8)
* No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
* Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
* No (Luke 9:9)
42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
* Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
* No (John 1:32,33)
43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
* Yes (John 1:32, 33)
* No (Matthew 11:2)
44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
* If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
* Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)
45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
* Yes (Matthew 21:12)
* No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)
46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
* Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
* No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
* Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
* No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
* The [Edited Out] will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
* Before the [Edited Out] crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the [Edited Out] crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
* Yes (John 19:17)
* No (Matthew 27:31-32)
50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
* Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
* No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?
* No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20)
* Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
* On the cross (Mark 15:23)
* In Pilates court (John 19:14)
53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
* Yes (Mark 15:32)
* No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
* Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
* No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)
55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
* Yes (Acts9:7)
* No (Acts22:9)
56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
* Yes (Acts 26:14)
* No (Acts 9:7)
57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?
* Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
* No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)
58. When the Israelites dwelt in [Edited Out]tin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
* Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
* Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)
59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
* Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27)
* Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)
60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
* He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
* He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
61. How did Judas die?
* After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
* After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)
62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?
* Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)
* Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)
63. Who is a ransom for whom?
* The Son of Man came…to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all… (I Timothy 2:5-6)
* The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18)
64. Is the law of Moses useful?
* Yes. All scripture is… profitable… (2 Timothy 3:16)
* No… . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness… (Hebrews 7:18)
65. What was the exact wording on the cross?
* This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
* The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
* This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
* Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)
66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
* Yes (Matthew 14:5)
* No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
* Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
* Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
* Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
* Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
* After (Mark 14:12-17)
* Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
* Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
* No. (John 12:27)
71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?
* Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
* One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
* Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
* Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)
73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
* Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47)
* Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39)
74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?
* Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46)
* Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34)
75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
* Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
* “It is finished” (John 19:30)
76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
* Yes (Matthew 8:5)
* No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
77.
* Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
* Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
78.
* God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
* Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
* No (John 3:13)
* Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)
80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
* Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
* Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)
81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
* Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
* No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)
82. When did the women buy the spices?
* After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
* Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)
83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
* Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
* When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
* To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
* To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
* For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)
85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
* They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
* As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?
* Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men … in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel – the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
* No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)
87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
* Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
* On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me… (John 20:11 to 17)
88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?
* Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)
* Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)
89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?
* Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
* After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise … (Acts 1:4)
90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
* To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
* To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)
91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
* The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28)
* The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36)
* Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4)
92. Does God change his mind?
* Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King… (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
* No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)
* Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35).
Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)
I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)
ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).
93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
* Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
* The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.
94. Who killed Goliath?
* David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
* Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
95. Who killed Saul?
* Saul took his own sword and fell upon it…. Thus Saul died… (I Samuel 31:4-6)
* An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
96. Does every man sin?
* Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
* No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)
97. Who will bear whose burden?
* Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
* Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)
98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
* Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
* Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
* After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days … (Mark 1:12-13)
* Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee – two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
* Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
* No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
* They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
* They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
* God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
* Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
* Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
* Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
* Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
* Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
* Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
* Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
* Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
* Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
* Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
* Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
* Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
* Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
* Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
* After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
* Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
* Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
* Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
* One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
* Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
* Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
* Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)
13. In what year of King Asa’s reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
* Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 – 16:8)
* Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)
14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
* Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
* Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)
15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
* Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
* Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)
16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
* Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
* Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)
17. How many were the children of Zattu?
* Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
* Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)
18. How many were the children of Azgad?
* One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
* Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)
19. How many were the children of Adin?
* Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
* Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)
20. How many were the children of Hashum?
* Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
* Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)
21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
* Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
* One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)
22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
* 29,818 (Ezra)
* 31,089 (Nehemiah)
23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
* Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
* Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)
24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
* Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
* Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)
25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
* Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
* No (Joshua 15:63)
26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
* Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
* Hell (Luke 3:23)
27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
* Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
* Nathan(Luke3:31)
28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
* Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
* Neri (Luke 3:27)
29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
* Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
* Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.
30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
* Joram (Matthew 1:8)
* Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)
31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
* Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
* Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)
32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
* Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
* But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)
33. Who was the father of Shelah?
* Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
* Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)
34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
* Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
* No (John 1:19-21)
35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
* Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
* No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)
36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
* One – a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
* Two – a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.
37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
* By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
* His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)
38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
* By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
* On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)
39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
* Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
* No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.
40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
* Yes (Mark 6:8)
* No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)
41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
* Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
* No (Luke 9:9)
42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
* Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
* No (John 1:32,33)
43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
* Yes (John 1:32, 33)
* No (Matthew 11:2)
44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
* If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
* Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)
45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
* Yes (Matthew 21:12)
* No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)
46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
* Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
* No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)
47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
* Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
* No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)
48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
* The [Edited Out] will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
* Before the [Edited Out] crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the [Edited Out] crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.
49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
* Yes (John 19:17)
* No (Matthew 27:31-32)
50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
* Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
* No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)
51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?
* No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20)
* Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)
52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
* On the cross (Mark 15:23)
* In Pilates court (John 19:14)
53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
* Yes (Mark 15:32)
* No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)
54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
* Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
* No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)
55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
* Yes (Acts9:7)
* No (Acts22:9)
56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
* Yes (Acts 26:14)
* No (Acts 9:7)
57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?
* Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
* No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)
58. When the Israelites dwelt in [Edited Out]tin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
* Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
* Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)
59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
* Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27)
* Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)
60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
* He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
* He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)
61. How did Judas die?
* After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
* After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)
62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?
* Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)
* Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)
63. Who is a ransom for whom?
* The Son of Man came…to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all… (I Timothy 2:5-6)
* The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18)
64. Is the law of Moses useful?
* Yes. All scripture is… profitable… (2 Timothy 3:16)
* No… . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness… (Hebrews 7:18)
65. What was the exact wording on the cross?
* This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
* The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
* This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
* Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)
66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
* Yes (Matthew 14:5)
* No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)
67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
* Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
* Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)
68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
* Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
* Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)
69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
* After (Mark 14:12-17)
* Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)
70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
* Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
* No. (John 12:27)
71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?
* Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
* One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)
72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
* Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
* Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)
73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
* Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47)
* Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39)
74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?
* Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46)
* Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34)
75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
* Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
* “It is finished” (John 19:30)
76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
* Yes (Matthew 8:5)
* No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)
77.
* Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
* Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)
78.
* God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
* Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)
79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
* No (John 3:13)
* Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)
80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
* Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
* Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)
81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
* Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
* No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)
82. When did the women buy the spices?
* After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
* Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)
83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
* Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
* When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)
84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
* To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
* To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
* For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)
85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
* They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
* As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)
86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?
* Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men … in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel – the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
* No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)
87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
* Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
* On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me… (John 20:11 to 17)
88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?
* Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)
* Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)
89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?
* Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
* After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise … (Acts 1:4)
90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
* To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
* To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)
91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
* The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28)
* The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36)
* Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4)
92. Does God change his mind?
* Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King… (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
* No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)
* Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35).
Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)
I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)
ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).
93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
* Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
* The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.
94. Who killed Goliath?
* David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
* Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)
95. Who killed Saul?
* Saul took his own sword and fell upon it…. Thus Saul died… (I Samuel 31:4-6)
* An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)
96. Does every man sin?
* Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
* No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)
97. Who will bear whose burden?
* Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
* Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)
98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
* Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
* Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)
99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
* After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days … (Mark 1:12-13)
* Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee – two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)
100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
* Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
* No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)
101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
* They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
* They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)

Edited by Jihadi, 22 August 2012 - 03:27 AM.


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:32 AM

View PostAli.20, on 08 August 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

AlSalam Alaykum:

Please post as many things as possible that proves Christianity is not the real religion and Bible is corrupted.

JazakumAllah Khair

Hello Ali,

I cannot do that, since obviously I believe that Christian beliefs are true and that the Bible is the Word of God. The reasons I believe that Christian beliefs are true include the following:

1. God protects His Word. He is not weak; He is omnipotent!!! Christian beliefs are merely an interpretation based on Jesus (Yeshua) of the promises/prophecies that God gave to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, concerning the prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18, John 1:43-51, Luke 24:44, Acts 3:19-26), the Messiah, Son of God (2 Samuel 7:11-17, 1 Chronicles 17:11-15, Psalm 2, Psalm 89:20-29, Matthew 1:1, Matthew 16:16, John 11:27, John 20:31, Acts 2:29-36) as well as other prophecies/promises concerning him.

2. The history of the Jewish people, of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Israel) was recorded throughout the centuries by many people: Moses, Joshua, and other prophets (Samuel, King David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, for example).  The records in the New Testament, of what Jesus said and did, also were of different people, as testimonies. Because of the span of centuries and the testimonies of different people, the Bible is not just the work of one mere mortal in one period of time. This is vital because it gives validity, whereas the claims of one mere mortal in one time period is questionable, especially if said individual tries to call corrupt what God gave and protects. Since God is omnipotent, suggesting that the Word God gave to the people throughout the generations is "corrupted" infers that God is not strong enough to protect His Word, which is not true. God is and does protect His Word that He has given, since the time Moses wrote down the Torah till (Christian believe) the time the apostles of Jesus wrote down what Jesus said and did.

Jesus made clear that he did not come to abolish, but rather to fulfill the Law. (Matthew 5:17-2) He did not say that the Scriptures were corrupted. Rather, he dug deeper into the profoundness of the Law, the whys, and showed people willing to listen how to please God in their hearts (Matthew 5).

3. The contradictions in the Bible, in both the Tanakh and the New Testament, are minor issues that do not change the message God has for us. Rather, the contradictions in the records merely show that humans are imperfect. That is to be expected. Just like how computers have bugs, so writing records down by mere mortals has issues. However, that does not mean that the vital messages that computers (or records written down by humans) is corrupt. Rather, the emphasis should be on the messages God has for us, not on the contradictions which are minor discrepancies in record-keeping.

4. Since I have always been surrounded by Christians, I have seen many people whose lives shine with love for God and from God to other people. I have also personally observed Non-Christians accept Jesus and have their lives transformed. Some of my good friends are ex-druggies who came to the AA meetings at my former church, accepted Jesus as their Savior, and were free from addictions!!! It is amazing how God changed their lives!!! Since I used to help out with the kids at the church, I got to see first-hand how God blessed their lives and their children's lives through their change of lifestyle and heart!

5. My personal experience is also that Christian beliefs are true. I accepted Jesus as my Savior when I was 6 years old. My parents were Christians and had taught me about God's gift of salvation through Jesus. When I was a teen and in my 20s, I fell away from God but by God's amazing grace, He brought me back into a wonderful relationship with Him!!! Since God brought me back, I am growing in my relationship with God and have dedicated my life to Him! This means that I am even willing to die for Him, because I know He loves me. My goal is to follow Jesus' teachings and to love God and others, like Jesus says (Matthew 22:35-40)

I have to go now, but those are some of the reasons why I believe Christian beliefs are true and that the Bible is not corrupted.

Peace and God bless you

Edited by Christianlady, 22 August 2012 - 10:37 AM.




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