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[joshhacker5133]

Is there any room for compremise on this issue?

Say for example:
1.  Muslim states recognize Israel and an Independent Palestinian State.
2.  Israel and Palestine share Jerusalem which would serve as the capital of both States.
3.  Hamas and Hezbollah agree to end hostilities and in return become eligable for Aid from the United States.
4.  America agrees to provide defense for both nations if attacked.
5.  All Persons in either state would be granted right of movement.
6.  Israel allows limited right of return to palestinian to be determined by negotiatinons.

[aliasghark]

joshhacker5133, on 07 August 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Is there any room for compremise on this issue?

Say for example:
1.  Muslim states recognize Israel and an Independent Palestinian State.
2.  Israel and Palestine share Jerusalem which would serve as the capital of both States.
3.  Hamas and Hezbollah agree to end hostilities and in return become eligable for Aid from the United States.
4.  America agrees to provide defense for both nations if attacked.
5.  All Persons in either state would be granted right of movement.
6.  Israel allows limited right of return to palestinian to be determined by negotiatinons.

(disclaimer: we're probably out of place to decide for the two sides what they should do, but if we have to:)  

As Muslims we can't compromise with thoroughly unjust people (foreign nationals who bomb and force out Palestinians from their homes, and build their ever-expanding exclusive colonies).

I can however think of a compromise - if the Palestinians are ok with the occupiers staying back (like how some British people stayed back in India after letting go of the country back to the local people), why not go for a one combined state?

Muslim states will have no choice but to accept what is ok with Palestinians, Jerusalem can be the capital as you mentioned, and all people of the country can move around. Palestinian refugees have to be able to come back though (not 'limited' in any way; if you or your parents' family was kicked out of your home, you would want to come back). And the points 3 and 4 would be moot, 3 because Hamas would not attack it's own country and Hezbollah would have no reason to retaliate since the combined state would presumably no longer attack and try to occupy Lebanon, an 4 because America has no right to interfere and spoil a local solution.

What do you think?

[joshhacker5133]

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As Muslims we can't compromise with thoroughly unjust people (foreign nationals who bomb and force out Palestinians from their homes, and build their ever-expanding exclusive colonies).

The same can be said for Hamas and it's targeting of Israeli civilian.  And on a purely practical level The israelis would never accept that plan it would be suicide.

[Zepp]

That's less of a compromise and more of a surrender to Palestinian interest.

[hejsansvejsan]

aliasghark, on 08 August 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

(disclaimer: we're probably out of place to decide for the two sides what they should do, but if we have to:)  

As Muslims we can't compromise with thoroughly unjust people (foreign nationals who bomb and force out Palestinians from their homes, and build their ever-expanding exclusive colonies).

I can however think of a compromise - if the Palestinians are ok with the occupiers staying back (like how some British people stayed back in India after letting go of the country back to the local people), why not go for a one combined state?

Muslim states will have no choice but to accept what is ok with Palestinians, Jerusalem can be the capital as you mentioned, and all people of the country can move around. Palestinian refugees have to be able to come back though (not 'limited' in any way; if you or your parents' family was kicked out of your home, you would want to come back). And the points 3 and 4 would be moot, 3 because Hamas would not attack it's own country and Hezbollah would have no reason to retaliate since the combined state would presumably no longer attack and try to occupy Lebanon, an 4 because America has no right to interfere and spoil a local solution.

What do you think?

The returning of refugees is the most complicated question. Where and what should they return to? Should they have some kind of compensation if returning shows to be practically impossible? What about the people who live there now and maybe even were born there? And what about the children of the refugees who never lived there and maybe have no desire to do so either?

I have not studied international law. But maybe it would be useful to see how the issue about german, finnish and other refugees from East Europe after WWII has been treated.

[ateef]

Just one Way...Israel give back the land to the palestinians and Open up Jersusalem to everyone....

[Hasan0404]

Simply NO.

[ateef]

s there any room for compremise on this issue?

Say for example:
1.  Muslim states recognize Israel and an Independent Palestinian State.

---NO

2.  Israel and Palestine share Jerusalem which would serve as the capital of both States.

----NO--

3.  Hamas and Hezbollah agree to end hostilities and in return become eligable for Aid from the United States

---NO..US is a Pauper...They make money by wars and capturing places of interest and looting them

4.  America agrees to provide defense for both nations if attacked.

---NO.How can Attackers Defend Some One???

5.  All Persons in either state would be granted right of movement.

No....

6.  Israel allows limited right of return to palestinian to be determined by negotiatinons.

Return the land Taken away from them

[Hasan0404]

ateef, on 17 August 2012 - 04:50 AM, said:

s there any room for compremise on this issue?

Say for example:
1.  Muslim states recognize Israel and an Independent Palestinian State.

---NO

2.  Israel and Palestine share Jerusalem which would serve as the capital of both States.

----NO--

3.  Hamas and Hezbollah agree to end hostilities and in return become eligable for Aid from the United States

---NO..US is a Pauper...They make money by wars and capturing places of interest and looting them

4.  America agrees to provide defense for both nations if attacked.

---NO.How can Attackers Defend Some One???

5.  All Persons in either state would be granted right of movement.

No....

6.  Israel allows limited right of return to palestinian to be determined by negotiatinons.

Return the land Taken away from them

Return of every bit of Palestininan land, which means no israel on the map of this earth.

Thats the only solution.

[ateef]

Hmmmn , Not Fair...Israel should be there...But destabilized....and broken....Return whatever taken by force and sell back whatver bought....

And pay Blood money...

[Hasan0404]

ateef, on 17 August 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

Hmmmn , Not Fair...Israel should be there...But destabilized....and broken....Return whatever taken by force and sell back whatver bought....

And pay Blood money...

Nop. Those who back zionists should give them a bug chunk of their country, but not Palestine at all.

[ateef]

Hasan0404, on 17 August 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

Nop. Those who back zionists should give them a bug chunk of their country, but not Palestine at all.

Yes True...Israel been very good in realtions with European unions...And taken Rest in Middle East...But I do Not think so anyone will give them a chunk...

Maybe Greenland or Antartica...Gone For Good...

[Hasan0404]

ateef, on 17 August 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

Yes True...Israel been very good in realtions with European unions...And taken Rest in Middle East...But I do Not think so anyone will give them a chunk...

Maybe Greenland or Antartica...Gone For Good...

Give them a state in US, who cares.

[ateef]

No that Will be Foolishness....If Israel sent to US...The Partners will be more strong...and Israel will not be accesible for a good strike...in a War...In future If unrest comes again...The Location is good.To Strike them at ease

..And Time will come when their own partners will exclude them...

Peace Shuld prevail, That means, No weapons, No Nuclear...No Terrorism, No Wars,...

[Asr]

There are plenty of ways the two can live together peacefully as one nation or two, but its not going to happen simply because one side will have to give up too much and considering rhey are taking more lands and rights as we speak, that is simply not going to happen.  

Israel as the offender has to be willing, the ball is in their court, but they simply are too busy land grabbing to notice.  They are just not intersted in peace, as it works against their interests.

Edited by Asr, 18 August 2012 - 11:46 PM.

[Sapphire]

All I have are negative comments for Israel. So forget it.

[Hasan0404]

Your sister in faith, on 19 August 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

All I have are negative comments for Israel. So forget it.

This is the only solution sis. One steals my right, i am never going to let him keep it or share it.

[Sapphire]

Hasan0404, on 19 August 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

This is the only solution sis. One steals my right, i am never going to let him keep it or share it.

Agreed