174 replies to this topic

[Kaniz e Zahra]

Haydar Husayn, on 05 August 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

You are still using this weak argument? The context of the ayah in the Qur'an has nothing to do with the shahada. Nothing.

Yes when Ayat explicitly uses word for more than two,still it has nothing to do with it,nothing? Thats why your friends say give evidence,that is being done with evidence,even if the words is clear the 'context' is brought which can't be different when the language had defined in clear terms.

[89jghur32]

Kaniz e Zahra, on 05 August 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Because we have Ahadees which say recite the third when you recite first two,and also Quranic Ayat about more than two Testimonies.

And Sunnis have narrations that they take to mean taraweeh as you take certain Quranic ayat and hadith to mean the current practice of "reciting" third shahada...

Consistency in logic will help you a lot in actually coming to a congruent understanding of the deen. Otherwise, you end up just like the Sunnis living by the exceptions, not the rules. Good luck.

Edited by al-Irshad, 05 August 2012 - 02:00 PM.

[Kaniz e Zahra]

They have narrations in praise of 'three' as well,so why should we care?

[89jghur32]

Kaniz e Zahra, on 05 August 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

They have narrations in praise of 'three' as well,so why should we care?

SubhanAllah... You completely missed the point I was making.

[Kaniz e Zahra]

I got your point that sunnis do it with same intention so we should be consistent by not calling it bidda? I did n't want to argue so i gave a careless reply,anyways those sunnis who know that tarawee in jamaat is innovation started by umar,like if a Shia points it out to them,and prove their narrations made up,then it would be biddah for them but those poor souls who know nothing and keep standing for the pleasure of Allah,i don't think so Allah will waste their hardwork then.

I am hardcore Shia,but not blind with hatred for sunnis,majority of them know nothing,and Allah watch intentions,He is not going to throw them all into hellfire.

Edited by Kaniz e Zahra, 05 August 2012 - 05:16 PM.

[struggling_On]

Your sister in faith, on 04 August 2012 - 01:24 AM, said:

And what is the point of this discussion again????

To Kill or Get Killed   That's the bottom line, coz The Stone Cold Steve auston of this site has said so...............

[Logic]

al-Irshad, on 05 August 2012 - 01:53 AM, said:

No, that's just how they pray it now. It can be done outside of jama`ah as well. Same way that Shi`a don't have to say 3rd shahada in adhan, but it's just done everywhere now.

Its sad that you had to bring the 3rd Shahada to give merit to your argument.  Since i was a child till today when Tarawih is broadcast live on Tv with a 2.5 hundred thousand strong people not once have i seen it being prayed on an individual basis.

If its done by itself and not in jamaat then there is nothing wrong with tarawih at all. To pray Nawafil in ramdhan is also recommended for Shias as well.

[89jghur32]

Logic, on 06 August 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Its sad that you had to bring the 3rd Shahada to give merit to your argument.  Since i was a child till today when Tarawih is broadcast live on Tv with a 2.5 hundred thousand strong people not once have i seen it being prayed on an individual basis.

If its done by itself and not in jamaat then there is nothing wrong with tarawih at all. To pray Nawafil in ramdhan is also recommended for Shias as well.

And somehow this changes the actual fiqh of it?

[Waiting for HIM]

Another thread recently opened to "prove" to us SHIAS of how "bad" we are:

http://www.shiachat....ous-than-sunni/

http://www.shiachat....-black-skinned/

Edited by Waiting for HIM, 07 August 2012 - 11:06 PM.

[ImAli]

Waiting for HIM, on 07 August 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Another thread recently opened to "prove" to us SHIAS of how "bad" we are:

http://www.shiachat....ous-than-sunni/

http://www.shiachat....-black-skinned/

LOL that black skinned thread has to be the dumbest thread ever.

[Waiting for HIM]

Waiting for HIM, on 07 August 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Another thread recently opened to "prove" to us SHIAS of how "bad" we are:

http://www.shiachat....ous-than-sunni/

http://www.shiachat....-black-skinned/

Here's another one:
http://www.shiachat....ahiliyya-arabs/

[Waiting for HIM]

Few more, ever wonder why a barrage of anti-Shia attacks on Shia Chat?

http://www.shiachat....bi#entry2423741

http://www.shiachat....bi#entry2352432

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2269019

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2346664

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2412784

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2426511

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2427653

[Waiting for HIM]

Ok, another one:

http://www.shiachat....-in-shia-books/

[kadhim]

Waiting for HIM, on 09 August 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

Few more, ever wonder why a barrage of anti-Shia attacks on Shia Chat?

http://www.shiachat....bi#entry2423741

http://www.shiachat....bi#entry2352432

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2269019

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2346664

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2412784

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2426511

http://www.shiachat....ul#entry2427653

Anti-Shia? I didn't realize such issues somehow defined Shia Islam.

[mo7arbelmahdi]

You're right, but this site's server is located in the USA so who knows, maybe the plan is to corrupt us on purpose and he site is being hosted by the CIA or FBI or the ISRAELITES. So i suggest making a second site that.

[Hannibal]

mo7arbelmahdi, on 10 August 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

You're right, but this site's server is located in the USA so who knows, maybe the plan is to corrupt us on purpose and he site is being hosted by the CIA or FBI or the ISRAELITES. So i suggest making a second site that.

Are you being serious here?

[HellHound]

So erm... How long is this supposed to continue? I don't see any point in this thread any more...

[89jghur32]

Just when he thought they were almost there...

[Darth Vader]

The epic failure of these guys always occurs when they are confronted by the Qur'an or any solid counter-evidence. Then they're all on their backs and start making the funniest lame arguments. I have seen Sunni debaters like Lord Botta try to come up with arguments. Once he even said that even the Quranic verses have isnaad. At least debaters from other ideologies try much harder and have done their home work. But these guys are too ill prepared and mostly resort to rhetoric and lameness. Nothing scholarly. And threads like "give me a hadith or you're wrong" or "the color/height of so and so was like this" unmistakably smells of Bakriism.

[Waiting for HIM]

^^^ Doestn't it !!!

I'm just keeping sort of records and stats. of these obsessions.

It's like Wahhabis, more than Allah (swt) , hatred to Shias & Iblisi interpretation of Tawheed has become their Lord.

Edited by Waiting for HIM, 10 August 2012 - 05:51 PM.

[Darth Vader]

Even a outsider with little Islamic knowledge like DPRK_guy is consistently owning their arguments with nothing but his power of observation.

[Gypsy]

Darth Vader, on 10 August 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Even a outsider with little Islamic knowledge like DPRK_guy is consistently owning their arguments with nothing but his power of observation.

Don't underestimate the Korean Guy. He does Taqleed. So, he knows where to send his questions.

[Haydar Husayn]

Darth Vader, on 10 August 2012 - 06:03 PM, said:

Even a outsider with little Islamic knowledge like DPRK_guy is consistently owning their arguments with nothing but his power of observation.

If you really think DPRK_guy is an 'outsider', then you've just owned yourself.

[Darth Vader]

That is indeed news to me. Somehow I'm not so observant about individuals.

Anyhow, it is surprising how little some people can base their belief system on. And simply keep saying "your Qur'anic translation / interpretation is wrong" without ever sharing another scholar's and simply offering pointless rhetoric. Thats not going to convince anyone. Heck, its nothing but annoying. People are rightfully confused if its not merely some old fashioned trolololo. I wonder what would be the outcome of this. Hanbal looks like he's ready to start shooting random people or even himself. HH is a good kid, I like his innocent dedication regardless. Others sound like they've been pickled in Bakriism's brine for too long. Seriously, what is this. DARPA?

[Ali_Hussain]

Gypsy, on 10 August 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Don't underestimate the Korean Guy. He does Taqleed. So, he knows where to send his questions.

Try sending a non-fiqh question to sayed Khamene'i and see what answer you get.