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[Haydar Husayn]

No offence, but that list of benefits is even more fabricated than Nade Ali itself. There is no way you can prove a single one of those supposed benefits from the ahadith.

[Murtada]

'Naad-e-Ali' was brought by Archangel Jibraeel
from the Almighty Allaah to the Holy Prophet
on the event of the Battle of Khaybar.

I was having trouble finding this from the sayings of the Ma'sumeen ; do you perchance have a source where the Ma'sumeen have said such?

[Nima]

Call Allah, He is able to bring about the extraordinary.
You will find him an effective supporter in all calamities.

[Haydar Husayn]

agree, but why would they make such things up?

People make things up all the time, Nade Ali itself is made up. The primary reference is Bihar al Anwar, which dates from 1000 years after the alledged incident (which makes it very unlikely to be genuine), and there is no chain of narrators as far as I know. Interestingly in that narration it says the event took place at Uhud, not Khaybar. For some reason everyone keeps getting this wrong though.

[Kaniz e Zahra]

People make things up all the time, Nade Ali itself is made up. The primary reference is Bihar al Anwar, which dates from 1000 years after the alledged incident (which makes it very unlikely to be genuine), and there is no chain of narrators as far as I know. Interestingly in that narration it says the event took place at Uhud, not Khaybar. For some reason everyone keeps getting this wrong though.

Do you believe that nothing quoted after Sadooq,and Mufeed can be authentic,everything was to be fabricated beyond that?

[Haydar Husayn]

Do you believe that nothing quoted after Sadooq,and Mufeed can be authentic,everything was to be fabricated beyond that?

Do you believe that a narration that turns up 1000 years later without a chain of narration is very likely to be authentic? Can you give any real solid reason why anyone should believe that it is authentic?

What about if a scholar now claimed to have found some long lost Hadith, with no chain of narration. How likely do you think it is that it would be taken seriously?

[Kaniz e Zahra]

Do you believe that a narration that turns up 1000 years later without a chain of narration is very likely to be authentic? Can you give any real solid reason why anyone should believe that it is authentic?

What about if a scholar now claimed to have found some long lost Hadith, with no chain of narration. How likely do you think it is that it would be taken seriously?

How are you so sure there was no chain there?

[Haydar Husayn]

How are you so sure there was no chain there?

It's well known. If you think there is a chain, then go and look for it.

Here are the sources for Naad Al-'Alee

وَ عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ عَنْ عَلِيٍّ عَلَيْهِ السَّلَامُ قَالَ قَالَ لِيَ النَّبِيُّ ص يَوْمَ أُحُدٍ أَ مَا تَسْمَعُ مَدِيحَكَ فِي السَّمَاءِ إِنَّ مَلَكاً اسْمُهُ رِضْوَانُ يُنَادِي لَا سَيْفَ إِلَّا ذُو الْفَقَارِ وَ لَا فَتَى إِلَّا عَلِيٌّ
قَالَ وَ يُقَالُ إِنَّ النَّبِيَّ ص نُودِيَ فِي هَذَا الْيَوْمِ

نَادِ عَلِيّاً مَظْهَرَ الْعَجَائِبِ
تَجِدْهُ عَوْناً لَكَ فِي النَّوَائِبِ‏
كُلُّ غَمٍّ وَ هَمٍّ سَيَنْجَلِي
بِوَلَايَتِكَ يَا عَلِيُّ يَا عَلِيُّ يَا عَلِ

• Source:
• Al-Majlisi, Bihaar Al-Anwaar, vol. 20, ch. 12, pg. 73

وَ رَأَيْتُ بِخَطِّ الشَّهِيدِ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ ذَكَرَ لِرَدِّ الضَّائِعِ وَ الْآبِقِ تَكْرَارَ هَذَيْنِ الْبَيْتَيْنِ

نَادِ عَلِيّاً مَظْهَرَ الْعَجَائِبِ
تَجِدْهُ عَوْناً لَكَ فِي النَّوَائِبِ‏
كُلُّ هَمٍّ وَ غَمٍّ سَيَنْجَلِي
بِوَلَايَتِكَ يَا عَلِيُّ يَا عَلِيُّ يَا عَلِ

• Source:
• Muhaddith Al-Nooree, Mustadarak Al-Wasaa-il, vol. 15, ch. 51, pg. 483

و في كتاب طريق النجاة أن سورة عبس تقرأ لرد الضائع و رأيت بخط الشهيد أنه يقرأ لرد الضائع سورة و العاديات و مما ذكر لرد الضائع و الآبق تكرار هذين البيتين

ناد عليا مظهر العجائب
تجده عونا لك في النوائب‏
كل هم و غم سينجلي
بولايتك يا علي يا علي يا عل

• Source:
• Al-Kaf'amee, MiSbaaH, pg. 183

There are the sources you were looking for, where you can find Naad Al-'Alee.

Now I did not find the addition ending that says يا علي، يا علي، يا علي (Yaa 'Alee, Yaa 'Alee, Yaa 'Alee). If someone can find the PRIMARY source where it says "Ya 'Alee" three times at the end, I would greatly appreciate it.

Also, along with these aHaadeeth, I did not find a sanad (chain), I could be wrong, but from what I see, I can't find one.

Where is this "Naad 'Alee Kabeer" narrated? I couldn't find it, through my research.

http://www.shiachat....ost__p__2041012

[Fuan]

Ignore all these wahhabi trolls - nade ali works - don't ever stop reading it.

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[Ali Musaaa :)]

Fuan, on 06 August 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Ignore all these wahhabi trolls - nade ali works - don't ever stop reading it.

Wow... You won't be saying that on the day of Judgement.

Repent to Allah, your Lord, immediately if you have any common sense.

Anyone who is ready to play games with poems and duas of shirk be my guest, but dont promote this garbage here for others to then use.

[Fuan]

Ali Musaaa :), on 06 August 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:

Wow... You won't be saying that on the day of Judgement.

Repent to Allah, your Lord, immediately if you have any common sense.

Anyone who is ready to play games with poems and duas of shirk be my guest, but dont promote this garbage here for others to then use.

Wow... You won't be saying that on the day of Judgement. Repent to Allah, your Lord, immediately if you have any common sense.

Anyone who is ready to reject the divinely appointed successor of the prophet and not seek his help in reaching Allah will never be successful. Don't promote your wahhabi garbage here for others to be lead astray.

See? I can do that too~

[Ali Musaaa :)]

Fuan, on 06 August 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:

Wow... You won't be saying that on the day of Judgement. Repent to Allah, your Lord, immediately if you have any common sense.

Anyone who is ready to reject the divinely appointed successor of the prophet and not seek his help in reaching Allah will never be successful. Don't promote your wahhabi garbage here for others to be lead astray.

See? I can do that too~

I don't see why you want to play this childish game over a blatantly obvious fabricated dua.

1) I am not rejecting the divinely appointed successor of the Prophet
2) I do use Ali to reach Allah. I use his example and follow it & I use his words of wisdom and learn from them in order to gain nearness to Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì.

That is how I seek Ali's help in reaching Allah.

Not by calling or supplicanting to him, instead of Allah.

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

Isn't it proven from bible too?

"Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'O Ali , O Aliwhy have You forsaken Me?' " (Matthew 27:45-46)





Prophet Muhammad (s
O Ali, in the Torah and the Gospel, your Shia and you are mentioned in a good reference before they were created. Ask the people of the Torah and the people of the Kitab to tell you about 'Eli'; yet, you are well versed in the Torah and the Gospel. The structuralists honor Eli, but they do not know his Shia. They know him as much as that which is recorded in their

[Source: Fazaail ush Shia - Sheikh Sadooq, Hadees. 17]

http://www.shiachat....s-in-the-bible/

[Ali_Hussain]

siraatoaliyinhaqqun, on 06 August 2012 - 04:19 AM, said:

Isn't it proven from bible too?

"Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'O Ali , O Aliwhy have You forsaken Me?' " (Matthew 27:45-46)

You've got to be joking right?

⁴⁵ From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. ⁴⁶ About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,^[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)

http://www.biblegate...-54&version=NIV

[Ali Musaaa :)]

siraatoaliyinhaqqun, on 06 August 2012 - 04:19 AM, said:

Isn't it proven from bible too?

"Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'O Ali , O Aliwhy have You forsaken Me?' " (Matthew 27:45-46)

No... Brother that's what Christians believe Prophet Jesus said when he was on the cross, calling out to Allah (Astgifallah)

Why would Jesus call to Ali who is not even born yet? How could Ali have forsaken Jesus when Jesus never saw Ali in his life time?

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

Mind u it can be understood from the quran too if u believe it to be book of guidance. I am abiding by aimma a.s who have ordered not to use it for arguments and opiniate on verses. And its for a reason, and few of us are aware of it.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

siraatoaliyinhaqqun, on 06 August 2012 - 04:27 AM, said:

Mind u it can be understood from the quran too if u believe it to be book of guidance. I am abiding by aimma a.s who have ordered not to use it for arguments and opiniate on verses. And its for a reason, and few of us are aware of it.

Brother I do not understand what you are trying to say.

One thing is for sure, Nade Ali is nowhere in the Bible or Qur'an.

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

Ali Musaaa :), on 06 August 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

No... Brother that's what Christians believe Prophet Jesus said when he was on the cross, calling out to Allah (Astgifallah)

Why would Jesus call to Ali who is not even born yet? How could Ali have forsaken Jesus when Jesus never saw Ali in his life time?

O ! Is that ur problem dear brother. I really forget how new converts need to be made aware of these things. These 14 masoomeen a.s were created first and sent last. They have helped prophets of the past and have stood with our prophet saww too. They are created helpers.When u say Allah azwj's help; the help of Allah azwj is them.

Ali_Hussain, on 06 August 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

You've got to be joking right?

⁴⁵ From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. ⁴⁶ About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,^[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”)

http://www.biblegate...#38;version=NIV

I don't know what's with people . They all translate Ali = Allah (ghullat). However our prophet said aly in bible is Aali a.s.

Prophet Muhammad (s O Ali, in the Torah and the Gospel, your Shia and you are mentioned in a good reference before they were created. Ask the people of the Torah and the people of the Kitab to tell you about 'Eli'; yet, you are well versed in the Torah and the Gospel. The structuralists honor Eli, but they do not know his Shia. They know him as much as that which is recorded in their books

[Source: Fazaail ush Shia - Sheikh Sadooq, Hadees. 17]

And sheik sadooq^^^brotha

Ali Musaaa :), on 06 August 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

Brother I do not understand what you are trying to say.

One thing is for sure, Nade Ali is nowhere in the Bible or Qur'an.

No mate can quran be in quran. I mean to say nade ali is not in quran but ali a.s.  himself is  speaking quran. U want to take help from the mute book of Allah swt and taking help from speaking book is shirk?

Edited by siraatoaliyinhaqqun, 06 August 2012 - 04:42 AM.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

siraatoaliyinhaqqun, on 06 August 2012 - 04:40 AM, said:

O ! Is that ur problem dear brother. I really forget how new converts need to be made aware of these things. These 14 masoomeen a.s were created first and sent last. They have helped prophets of the past and have stood with our prophet saww too. They are created helpers.When u say Allah azwj's help; the help of Allah azwj is them.



I don't know what's with people . They all translate Ali = Allah (ghullat). However our prophet said aly in bible is Aali a.s.

Prophet Muhammad (s O Ali, in the Torah and the Gospel, your Shia and you are mentioned in a good reference before they were created. Ask the people of the Torah and the people of the Kitab to tell you about 'Eli'; yet, you are well versed in the Torah and the Gospel. The structuralists honor Eli, but they do not know his Shia. They know him as much as that which is recorded in their books

[Source: Fazaail ush Shia - Sheikh Sadooq, Hadees. 17]

And sheik sadooq^^^brotha




No mathow can quran be in quran. I mean to say made ali is not in quran but ali a.s.  himself is  speaking quran. U want to take help from the mute book of Allah swt and taking help from speabook is shirk?king the

I'm not going to continue discussing this topic with you Brother. You are free to believe what you want.

Btw, who said I was a convert? I was born a Muslim ya know

[Ali_Hussain]

siraatoaliyinhaqqun, on 06 August 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

O ! Is that ur problem dear brother. I really forget how new converts need to be made aware of these things. These 14 masoomeen a.s were created first and sent last. They have helped prophets of the past and have stood with our prophet saww too. They are created helpers.When u say Allah azwj's help; the help of Allah azwj is them.



I don't know what's with people . They all translate Ali = Allah (ghullat). However our prophet said aly in bible is Aali a.s.

Prophet Muhammad (s O Ali, in the Torah and the Gospel, your Shia and you are mentioned in a good reference before they were created. Ask the people of the Torah and the people of the Kitab to tell you about 'Eli'; yet, you are well versed in the Torah and the Gospel. The structuralists honor Eli, but they do not know his Shia. They know him as much as that which is recorded in their books

[Source: Fazaail ush Shia - Sheikh Sadooq, Hadees. 17]

And sheik sadooq^^^brotha

Aside from the fact, as said before, the bible isn't any kind of hujja on us, lets look at what else sadooq narrated

"The Four Noblest Characteristics"

4-91 Muhammad ibn al-Hassan ibn Ahmad ibn al-Walid - may God be pleased with him - narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hassan al-Saffar quoted Ali ibn Muhammad al-Qasani, on the authority of Al-Qasim ibn Muhammad al-Isfahani, on the authority of Suleiman ibn Davood, on the authority of Sufyan ibn Najih that Abi Ja’far al-Baqir (MGB) said, “Solomon - the son of David (MGB) said, ‘We have been granted whatever has been granted to the people or not, and we have been taught whatever the people have been taught or not. We found nothing to be better than fearing God in public and private; frugality both at times of poverty and being wealthy; telling the truth whether it be pleasing to us or to our loss; and supplicating to the Honorable the Exalted God in all circumstances.”

al-khisal

Even if you think asking Imam Ali (a) = asking Allah (swt) - this specifically says to ask Allah (swt)

And as for the tawassul used by the previous Prophets, it is the same as the Imams (a) taught, if you read through hayat al-qulub, vol 1, al-majlisi has quoted many narrations about that

5-8 Abul Hassan Ali ibn al-Fazl ibn al-Ab’bas al-Baghdady narrated that Ali Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Suleiman al-Harith quoted Muhammad ibn Ali ibn Khald al-At’tar, on the authority of Hussein al-Ashqar[462] , on the authority of Amr ibn Abil Meqdam, on the authority of his father, on the authority of Sa’id ibn Jabir, on the authority of Ibn Abbas[463] , “I asked the Prophet (MGB) about the words by which Adam’s prayers were accepted when he repented. The Prophet (MGB) replied, “Adam (MGB) asked God to accept his repentance by the rightfulness of Muhammad, Ali, Fatimah, Al-Hassan and Al-Hussein!” This narration has also been recorded by the author in his Interpretation of the Quran.

al-khisal

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

^^ okay dokay

[Haydar Husayn]

siraatoaliyinhaqqun, on 06 August 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

Isn't it proven from bible too?

"Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'O Ali , O Aliwhy have You forsaken Me?' " (Matthew 27:45-46)

This is just sad. Eli means "my God" in Hebrew, like elahi means "my God" in Aramaic, and ilahi means "my God" in Arabic.

Aside from that, the same quote can be found in Psalm 22, and the Evangelists Mark and Matthew were making pretty clear reference to this text:

Psalm 22 (NIV)


¹ My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
² My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.

³ Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
⁴ In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
⁵ To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.


⁶ But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
⁷ All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
⁸ “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”

⁹ Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
¹⁰ From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
http://www.biblegate... 22&version=NIV


Do you think this is also about `Ali Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã?

Quote

Prophet Muhammad (s
O Ali, in the Torah and the Gospel, your Shia and you are mentioned in a good reference before they were created. Ask the people of the Torah and the people of the Kitab to tell you about 'Eli'; yet, you are well versed in the Torah and the Gospel. The structuralists honor Eli, but they do not know his Shia. They know him as much as that which is recorded in their

[Source: Fazaail ush Shia - Sheikh Sadooq, Hadees. 17]

http://www.shiachat....s-in-the-bible/

Newsflash: some ahadith are fabricated, and that is particularly the case with the ones you like so much.


Anyway, none of this changes the facts about Nade Ali, which is that it is a hadith that turned up 1000 years after the event with no chain of narration. I think people with intelligence really need to ask themselves on what possible grounds they could believe it is likely to be authentic.