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[yam_110]

Salaamulaikum Brothers & Sisters,
            I have raised this question in the past but I haven't got a satisfying answer. Hence I thought it would be best to start a new thread to see if I can get an answer this time. My question is as follows:

Why was Abdur Rahman ibn Auf given special Veto power during the election of the 3rd caliph? What virtues/qualities did he have that the 2nd caliph made him a kingmaker?

[titumir]

The rules were: If there was a deadlock (3 in favour of one candidate, 3 in favour of the other candidate), then the candidate favoured by Abdur Rahman ibn Awf would be chosen as caliph.












Oh, and the other 3 people, who were supporters of the losing candidate, would be killed.

[Goku]

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Oh, and the other 3 people, who were supporters of the losing candidate, would be killed.

why would they need to be killed O_O?

[yam_110]

titumir, on 24 July 2012 - 03:32 AM, said:

The rules were: If there was a deadlock (3 in favour of one candidate, 3 in favour of the other candidate), then the candidate favoured by Abdur Rahman ibn Awf would be chosen as caliph.












Oh, and the other 3 people, who were supporters of the losing candidate, would be killed.

Thanks. But you did not get my question. I know the rules. I want to know from Sunni brothers, why was Abdur Rahman ibn Auf selected as a deciding authority? What special qualities did he possess to be elevated to the position of being a decision maker?

[titumir]

yam_110, on 24 July 2012 - 06:27 AM, said:

Thanks. But you did not get my question. I know the rules. I want to know from Sunni brothers, why was Abdur Rahman ibn Auf selected as a deciding authority? What special qualities did he possess to be elevated to the position of being a decision maker?

Oh, about that obviously I don't know because that rule has no logic.

[yam_110]

titumir, on 24 July 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Oh, about that obviously I don't know because that rule has no logic.

Exactly. This is what I want to know. Why only Abdur Rahman?

[BlackWave]

Goku, on 24 July 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

why would they need to be killed O_O?

Because that is what Umar said:-

O group of Muhajireen! Verily, the Apostle of God died, and he was pleased with all six of you. I have, therefore, decided to make it (the selection of khalifa) a matter of consultation among you, so that you may select one of yourselves as khalifa. If five of you agree upon one man, and there is one who is opposed to the five, kill him. If four are one side and two on the other, kill the two. And if three are on one side and three on the other, then Abdur Rahman ibn Auf will have the casting vote, and the khalifa will be selected from his party. In that case, kill the three men on the opposing side. You may, if you wish, invite some of the chief men of the Ansar as observers but the khalifa must be one of you Muhajireen, and not any of them. They have no share in the khilafat. And your selection of the new khalifa must be made within three days. (Tabari)

[Goku]

BlackWave, on 24 July 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

Because that is what Umar said:-

O group of Muhajireen! Verily, the Apostle of God died, and he was pleased with all six of you. I have, therefore, decided to make it (the selection of khalifa) a matter of consultation among you, so that you may select one of yourselves as khalifa. If five of you agree upon one man, and there is one who is opposed to the five, kill him. If four are one side and two on the other, kill the two. And if three are on one side and three on the other, then Abdur Rahman ibn Auf will have the casting vote, and the khalifa will be selected from his party. In that case, kill the three men on the opposing side. You may, if you wish, invite some of the chief men of the Ansar as observers but the khalifa must be one of you Muhajireen, and not any of them. They have no share in the khilafat. And your selection of the new khalifa must be made within three days. (Tabari)

yes but what was the need of killing? so they don't end up going against the elected caliph? Because he knew that these people were evil like the caliphs themselves and so couldn't be trusted?

[Murtada]

Who knows; he probably just wanted an excuse to kill 'Ameer ul Mo'mineen .

[yam_110]

Any Sunni brothers who want to enlighten us on what virtues Abdur Rahman ibn Rauf held that he was chosen to give the casting vote, please feel free to share.

[mAlhakim]

yam_110, on 25 July 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

Any Sunni brothers who want to enlighten us on what virtues Abdur Rahman ibn Rauf held that he was chosen to give the casting vote, please feel free to share.

He was Uthman's brother in law I believe. Nothing like your brother in law getting power and making sure you get taken care of for the rest of your life.

[yam_110]

mAlhakim, on 25 July 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:

He was Uthman's brother in law I believe. Nothing like your brother in law getting power and making sure you get taken care of for the rest of your life.

Lol!! Being Uthman's brother in law is no virtue I would think.

Any Sunni brothers want to shed some light on this?