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[power]

Murtada, on 17 July 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

Whichever ones would classify as being of the musta'difoon; refer to al Kaafi. Among millions of Sunnis though, I doubt you literally mean a handful.

I will appreciate, if you can provide the narration.

[ateef]

power, on 17 July 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

Ateef, why is it that  the word t "BEST" is not use'd for the Shia example?????

WHY DID YOU DO THIS ????

Anyway, the best people  after Rasuallah is the Ahl Bayht and the worst are those who took there right's away.

Nice Question,

Yes The Word Best..You Are So Bothered about the Best Word For Shia...

Brother If you are seriously needing the Best then It Should come to ISLAM..ISLAM Is the Best...

Which Is Already a Perfected Deen...

The Same Applies Vice Versa To A Sunni also ..

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Best Is the one amongst the Sight Of Allah...and Not towards Each other...
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Yes Brother, I See good in standing along with Ahle Bayt .. But I cannot understand..I never came across any Sunni Insulting Any Ahle bayt..I have asked Also..They Do give respect to Ahle Bayt and also to the Companions...

I thought about it...

Well How are the Rights Taken Away ...can you explain..please..???









Prophet Moses and Prophet Esa Had Companions So Did Our Prophet Muhhamadh ...

Shi'as Explanation Of Companions are filled with Hatred towards them...

Sunnis Explanation Of Companions is filled with Love towards them...

Now, The Hatred Has Reasons too

[Batool M. Rizvi]

ateef, on 18 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Nice Question,

Yes The Word Best..You Are So Bothered about the Best Word For Shia...

Brother If you are seriously needing the Best then It Should come to ISLAM..ISLAM Is the Best...

Which Is Already a Perfected Deen...

The Same Applies Vice Versa To A Sunni also ..

___________________________________________________________________________________

Best Is the one amongst the Sight Of Allah...and Not towards Each other...
___________________________________________________________________________________
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Yes Brother, I See good in standing along with Ahle Bayt .. But I cannot understand..I never came across any Sunni Insulting Any Ahle bayt..I have asked Also..They Do give respect to Ahle Bayt and also to the Companions...

I thought about it...

Well How are the Rights Taken Away ...can you explain..please..???









Prophet Moses and Prophet Esa Had Companions So Did Our Prophet Muhhamadh ...

Shi'as Explanation Of Companions are filled with Hatred towards them...

Sunnis Explanation Of Companions is filled with Love towards them...

Now, The Hatred Has Reasons too

ateef if you are friends with people who insult your parents and you continue praising those so called friends than its same as insulting your own parents... lets be honest and realistic. it is proven history that Muawiyyah insulted Imam Ali (a.s) from the  mimbar (pulpit) for many years...  the first caliph and the second caliph insulted the daughter of Prophet in court...

the Prophet had mentioned clearly that if anyone hurts lady Fatima he hurts me and Allah...

people who insulted and have hurt these personalities, specially Prophet and Allah, how can we befriend them and be a part of their sin????

and pardon me brother, our believe of companions is on the ones who loved Prophet and his Ahlulbait,

and the believe of sunnis of companions is of anyone who has seen the Prophet even if it includes the ones who showed hatred to Ahlulbait in public....

and what do you say about the so called loving companions of the Prophet who left him in Battle of Uhud and shouted Muhammed is dead (nauzubillah) where the were only the bani hashims and Imam Ali who saved the Prophet...

Edited by Batool M. Rizvi, 18 July 2012 - 02:47 PM.

[Hasnain Ali1]

salaam brothers

sunni brothers, please try and understand what it is we are trying to say and share with you, look at histroy, look into your hadiths, look at what has been said, and everything that has been shown to you here under many topics you will find, if you need a list of hadith to read from your school of thought, please advise, and if you would like us to supply you with our hadith also we can do so, but let us understand each other, and know that we only dislike a few of the companions and not all as it was only a few would insulted the Prophets duaghter, and Imam Ali, who wenty against the Quran and the Prophet once he had left us.

May Allah Guide us all to truth and humblness, my our insight, understanding and knowledge increase, salaam

[power]

ateef, on 18 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Nice Question,

Yes The Word Best..You Are So Bothered about the Best Word For Shia...

Brother If you are seriously needing the Best then It Should come to ISLAM..ISLAM Is the Best...

Which Is Already a Perfected Deen...

The Same Applies Vice Versa To A Sunni also ..

This is not  the answer to my question!!

Basically what  i am asking you, it this, you have used the term "BEST " for the sahaba of Isa and Moses then for some  unknown reason you have  used the tern hatred in the Shia example
Why ???

ateef, on 18 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

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Best Is the one amongst the Sight Of Allah...and Not towards Each other...
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The best are the Ahl bayht   Quran confirms this.

ateef, on 18 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Yes Brother, I See good in standing along with Ahle Bayt .. But I cannot understand..I never came across any Sunni Insulting Any Ahle bayt..I have asked Also..They Do give respect to Ahle Bayt and also to the Companions...

This a blatant misconception that Sunnis adhere to Ahl Bayht You Sunnis cannot even differentiate between HAQ & BATIL

ateef, on 18 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Prophet Moses and Prophet Esa Had Companions So Did Our Prophet Muhhamadh ...

Shi'as Explanation Of Companions are filled with Hatred towards them...

Sunnis Explanation Of Companions is filled with Love towards them...

Now, The Hatred Has Reasons too

You  just have proved how ignorant you are ,  the Sahaba of Isa   betrayed him, by one of his most  senior companion

The majority of the companions of Moses betrayed him as well

And this also happened to Rasulallah.

Edited by power, 18 July 2012 - 03:56 PM.

[ateef]

@
Batool M. Rizvi


'
Hasnain Ali1


Good Answers...

[Dagga]

I'm pretty sure Shia parents teach their children that Sunnis hate the Prophet 's family, really convinced, tbh, as a growing up Sunni I was unaware of other sects, my parents taught me that I'm a Muslim, I have a Shi'a friend who is definitely leaving the religion after our many talks and he told me that from a young age (8/9) he was taught that there were fake Muslims who hate Ali & support Yazid and they are the majority.

Anyways heres a video to support what I believe



And



Its bad that the second person said Muslim vs Shia, I don't agree with that, I still see the Shias as Muslims (scholars excluded, they are not ignorant) Regardless, watch the videos. You don't even have to watch the entire videos, just scroll through and look at the comparisons.

Edited by Dagga, 19 July 2012 - 03:55 PM.

[Rasul]

Dagga, on 19 July 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure Shia parents teach their children that Sunnis hate the Prophet 's family, really convinced, tbh, as a growing up Sunni I was unaware of other sects, my parents taught me that I'm a Muslim, I have a Shi'a friend who is definitely leaving the religion after our many talks and he told me that from a young age (8/9) he was taught that there were fake Muslims who hate Ali & support Yazid and they are the majority.

Anyways heres a video to support what I believe



And



Its bad that the second person said Muslim vs Shia, I don't agree with that, I still see the Shias as Muslims (scholars excluded, they are not ignorant) Regardless, watch the videos. You don't even have to watch the entire videos, just scroll through and look at the comparisons.

I will destroy your lies with one video

Edited by Rasul, 19 July 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[ateef]

@ Dagga you are Right..They Are bent on Spreading such lies and fake things...Especially...

aS FAR AS i HAVE HEARD AND SPOKEN

The Sunnis Like Ali...and hate Yazeed...
they Mention Muawiah was a good father and after his death ..His son was the one to destroy everything...

Anyways, But yes the history should be considered and the truth should come out...The Sunnis should really look into the history..

It is True, The Ahyl Bayth Is respected but never much heard about in the Sunni Sects...Compared to the Sahaba..

eVEN MORE GENERALLY, SAHABA ARE NOT MUCH SPOKEN ABOUT ITS THE SUNNAH

Is Not It...???


So I was thinking , a General question How Many Sources and Books and Things are With Shia Of Ahyl Bait???

just Curious...Can any Shia Tell me this Here???

Edited by ateef, 20 July 2012 - 01:21 AM.

[Batool M. Rizvi]

ateef, on 20 July 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

@ Dagga you are Right..They Are bent on Spreading such lies and fake things...Especially...

aS FAR AS i HAVE HEARD AND SPOKEN

The Sunnis Like Ali...and hate Yazeed...
they Mention Muawiah was a good father and after his death ..His son was the one to destroy everything...

Anyways, But yes the history should be considered and the truth should come out...The Sunnis should really look into the history..

It is True, The Ahyl Bayth Is respected but never much heard about in the Sunni Sects...Compared to the Sahaba..

eVEN MORE GENERALLY, SAHABA ARE NOT MUCH SPOKEN ABOUT ITS THE SUNNAH

Is Not It...???


So I was thinking , a General question How Many Sources and Books and Things are With Shia Of Ahyl Bait???

just Curious...Can any Shia Tell me this Here???

brothers,

shias believe dat sunnis consider Imam Ali as any other companion, even those who dint follow da teachings of Prophet and even hurt da family of Prophet. although Prophet had chosen Imam Ali as his successor... no1 said dat sunnis support yazid, lanatullah... i personally know sunnis who attend majalis of Imam Hussain...

and to ask if we have any books and sources and things of Ahlul bayt is like askin a student do u have a syllabus in yr school??? sounds wierd huh.... v hav tafseer of Holy Quran, Medicine and treatment, Manners, Relationship, Rights and Prayers (duas) related books by Ahlul bayt...

these books might be compiled in book form by authentic ulamas but the material is from the Ahlulbayt...

hope m able to answer da question....

[yam_110]

ateef, on 20 July 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

@ Dagga you are Right..They Are bent on Spreading such lies and fake things...Especially...

aS FAR AS i HAVE HEARD AND SPOKEN

The Sunnis Like Ali...and hate Yazeed...
they Mention Muawiah was a good father and after his death ..His son was the one to destroy everything...

Anyways, But yes the history should be considered and the truth should come out...The Sunnis should really look into the history..

It is True, The Ahyl Bayth Is respected but never much heard about in the Sunni Sects...Compared to the Sahaba..

eVEN MORE GENERALLY, SAHABA ARE NOT MUCH SPOKEN ABOUT ITS THE SUNNAH

Is Not It...???


So I was thinking , a General question How Many Sources and Books and Things are With Shia Of Ahyl Bait???

just Curious...Can any Shia Tell me this Here???

Brother, what is your opinion about Muwaiya? In just one word, good or bad?

[RevisitingTheSalaf]

Provide one Ṣaḥīḥ (Authentic) or Muwaththaq (Reliable) ḥadīth that A'isha believed in the Qur'aan?

[___NAZM___]

Zulfiqar-e-Ali, on 15 July 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

I remember asking a Sunni about the issue of turning a blind man away and how we believe that it was Uthman ibn Affan instead of the Holy Prophet .  The Sunni responded "how dare you say that Uthman could do such a thing!!".  Right, because a companion is better than a prophet (pbut)  *eye roll*

In Paltalk Live debate , said the same thing what he said you know?  Astagfirullah. ( Unfortunately I could not record that)
When I said that you are easy to say it prophet s.a.w.a , But when it comes to one Ummayad sahaba you say Astagfirullah!!...  

This is the deen of Sunni.

All Sahaba are Adil/just  which is a contradiction itself.

[___NAZM___]

Zulfiqar-e-Ali, on 21 July 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Was it in the "Shias the followers of the true Salaf" (or something along those lines)?  It might have been me.

Its about 3/4 months back and in "Qur'an and Ahlul Bait" room.

You mean when you ware sunni?

[Haydar Karrar]

Just the truth, on 13 July 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

What are you banging on about, we know sahabis made mistakes, after all they wernt infalliable were they? They were bound to make mistakes for gods sake they were human.
We respect sahabis as sahabis nothing more nothing less they were companions of the prophet you have your views about them n I have mine, what's so hard to understand about that

Do you believe it is Haraam to say a sinner is going to Jannah no matter what?

Simple yes or no.

[Batool M. Rizvi]

just want to ask one question 4m every1 specially 4m da sunni brothers n sisters... is it fair to call n entire group as good r bad just because de wr in certain time r had been in the companionship of da Prophet... if dats so Prophet wd not have called Hazrat Owais e Qarni as his companion even though he had never, n i mean never met Holy Prophet. it was due 2 his piety n respect 2 his mother... on another incident Prophet said, "My salutations 2 my brothers of da later tym." da companions asked, "is it us??" Prophet replied, "No, de will come long tym after me" the companions said, "O Prophet of Allah, we have lived wid u, seen u n followed u, hw can da people who haven't been wid u r yr brothers." Prophet replied, "you have seen me n den believed me, but de will believe n acknowledge me through black on white (meaning writing on paper, or  books)."

it is clear, being wid Prophet is not da criteria but following him and believin in him, even widout seeing him makes one a companion of Prophet..

[ateef]

yam_110, on 20 July 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

Brother, what is your opinion about Muwaiya? In just one word, good or bad?

Allah Knows The best..He is good for sunni and bad for shia ...So i would like to be moderate...Until i know the truth...

[Batool M. Rizvi]

ateef, on 21 July 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Allah Knows The best..He is good for sunni and bad for shia ...So i would like to be moderate...Until i know the truth...

muawaiyyah's advisor was Amral Aas,a person who ws exiled by Holy Prophet along wd his father... hw cn u call a person good who befriends people who were hated by the Prophet and had caused pain to the Prophet...

[Hasnain Ali1]

Good point my brother, it is also a known fact that he drank wine, swore Imam Ali on the pulpit.

[ateef]

Batool M. Rizvi, on 21 July 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

muawaiyyah's advisor was Amral Aas,a person who ws exiled by Holy Prophet along wd his father... hw cn u call a person good who befriends people who were hated by the Prophet and had caused pain to the Prophet...

I Understand Brother...

Amral Aas

But the main reason Is he Went Against Ali..And was in the Favour of Government Of Shyam...

But yes You All do try to seek for sense...

But Hope its Not One Eyed...

Watever the truth is...Will come one day out...Till that i just Chose to be Neutral...

Batool M. Rizvi, on 20 July 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

brothers,

shias believe dat sunnis consider Imam Ali as any other companion, even those who dint follow da teachings of Prophet and even hurt da family of Prophet. although Prophet had chosen Imam Ali as his successor... no1 said dat sunnis support yazid, lanatullah... i personally know sunnis who attend majalis of Imam Hussain...

and to ask if we have any books and sources and things of Ahlul bayt is like askin a student do u have a syllabus in yr school??? sounds wierd huh.... v hav tafseer of Holy Quran, Medicine and treatment, Manners, Relationship, Rights and Prayers (duas) related books by Ahlul bayt...

these books might be compiled in book form by authentic ulamas but the material is from the Ahlulbayt...

hope m able to answer da question....

Can you Name few books Please For me...

Edited by ateef, 21 July 2012 - 01:24 PM.

[yam_110]

ateef, on 21 July 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Allah Knows The best..He is good for sunni and bad for shia ...So i would like to be moderate...Until i know the truth...

But I want to know your opinion on Muwaiya. So the question still stands. Good or Bad?

ateef, on 21 July 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

I Understand Brother...

Amral Aas

But the main reason Is he Went Against Ali..And was in the Favour of Government Of Shyam...

But yes You All do try to seek for sense...

But Hope its Not One Eyed...

Watever the truth is...Will come one day out...Till that i just Chose to be Neutral...

IMHO, if you choose to take the neutral path in-spite of the facts being clear in the history books then you are siding with the enemies of the Prophet .

[Batool M. Rizvi]

ateef, on 21 July 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

I Understand Brother...

Amral Aas

But the main reason Is he Went Against Ali..And was in the Favour of Government Of Shyam...

But yes You All do try to seek for sense...

But Hope its Not One Eyed...

Watever the truth is...Will come one day out...Till that i just Chose to be Neutral...



Can you Name few books Please For me...

first of all wid all due respect its SISTER n not brother

secondly the books are:

tafseer e namoona,
risalatul huqooq,
nahjul balagha,
biharul anwar,
tibbur ridha,
tibbe masoomeen,
and many more...

Hasnain Ali1, on 21 July 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Good point my brother, it is also a known fact that he drank wine, swore Imam Ali on the pulpit.

its SISTER n not brother

dz my name sounds like boy's name????

n thanks...

[ateef]

yam_110, on 22 July 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

But I want to know your opinion on Muwaiya. So the question still stands. Good or Bad?



IMHO, if you choose to take the neutral path in-spite of the facts being clear in the history books then you are siding with the enemies of the Prophet .

Alright, if you think i am on wrong side..Fine...Be Satisfied with that...

Batool M. Rizvi, on 22 July 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

first of all wid all due respect its SISTER n not brother

secondly the books are:

tafseer e namoona,
risalatul huqooq,
nahjul balagha,
biharul anwar,
tibbur ridha,
tibbe masoomeen,
and many more...



its SISTER n not brother

dz my name sounds like boy's name????

n thanks...

thanks Sister,

[yam_110]

ateef, on 23 July 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

Alright, if you think i am on wrong side..Fine...Be Satisfied with that...

I still haven't got an answer from you. Why are you so hesitant in answering this simple question? Either you are with Muwaiya or against him? Why are you running away from this question?

[Ameen]

ateef, on 18 July 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Nice Question,

Yes The Word Best..You Are So Bothered about the Best Word For Shia...

Brother If you are seriously needing the Best then It Should come to ISLAM..ISLAM Is the Best...

Which Is Already a Perfected Deen...

The Same Applies Vice Versa To A Sunni also ..

___________________________________________________________________________________

Best Is the one amongst the Sight Of Allah...and Not towards Each other...
___________________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________________________

Yes Brother, I See good in standing along with Ahle Bayt .. But I cannot understand..I never came across any Sunni Insulting Any Ahle bayt..I have asked Also..They Do give respect to Ahle Bayt and also to the Companions...

I thought about it...

Well How are the Rights Taken Away ...can you explain..please..???









Prophet Moses and Prophet Esa Had Companions So Did Our Prophet Muhhamadh ...

Shi'as Explanation Of Companions are filled with Hatred towards them...

Sunnis Explanation Of Companions is filled with Love towards them...

Now, The Hatred Has Reasons too

Of course Islam is already a perfected deen based on the Quran and Sunnah We have the Prophet's [pbuh] Sunnah, then why do we have Sunni Hanfi???? When and why did this develope??? What was the need for this when Islam is already complete and perfected??? It didn't stop there, we then have Sunni Maliki! Why??? It goes further on, Sunni Shafa'i and Sunni Hambali! Why and what for??? Islam is already completed and perfected isn't it, then what's all this??? I know you don't want to answer or probably can't answer. Ok! No problem! Why not just disregard all of it, then question the Shia???

Your statements that Shias explanation of companions is full of haterd and Sunnis is full of love towards them is baseless to begin with. Sahabiath just doesn't evolve around the first 3 or 4 Khalifs or so, as you think. The Sunnis have never mentioned anything ever about Hazrath Miqdad [ra], Hazrath Abu Zar [ra], Hazrath Ammar [ra], Hazrath Salmaan [ra], Hazrath Malik [ra], Hazrath Habib [ra], Hazrath Ovais [ra] etc! How much praise have you heard or how much love have you seen for these companions in the air from the Ahle Sunnah???

Love and hate both exist and there is a due reason for it. Discuss the reason not the product. According to Ahle Tashee there is a clear difference between Qatil and Maqtool, Zalim and Mazloom, Momin and Munafiq, Masoom and Mujrim, Sehih and Galath, Haq and Batil etc, when it comes to the Sahaba, and that difference is kept through love and hate with due reason, but according to the Ahle Sunnah, yes, there is no difference because they love am all regasdless. Very simple and straight forward!

Edited by Ameen, 24 July 2012 - 02:02 PM.