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[SoRoUsH]

The reason(s) for  the occultation according to our Imams
More posts will follow, Insha'Allah.

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ مُوسَى بْنِ الْمُتَوَكِّلِ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى الْعَطَّارُ عَنْ  مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى بْنِ عُبَيْدٍ  عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ غَزْوَانَ عَنْ أَبِي بَصِيرٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ: صَاحِبُ هَذَا الْأَمْرِ تَعْمَى وِلَادَتُهُ عَلَى هَذَا الْخَلْقِ لِئَلَّا يَكُونَ لِأَحَدٍ فِي عُنُقِهِ بَيْعَةٌ إِذَا خَرَجَ

Abi Baseer narrated from Abi Abdillah , who said:
"The birth of the owner of this affair [or ordinance] cannot be seen by the creatures [or people], so that he does not have any pledge upon his neck [or pledge of allegiance to anyone] when he emerges."

Source:

كمال الدين و تمام النعمة، ج‏2، ص: 479

Note:
This Hadeeth is Saheeh, If you, like Najjashi, consider Mohammad bin Eissa bin Obaid to be Thiqah.

(Al-Tusi did not consider him to be Thiqah and has weakened him)

(Scholars are of the opinion that Najjashi's opinion takes priority over Tusi's)

Edited by SoRoUsH, 08 July 2012 - 11:44 PM.

[Qa'im]

274 – أخبرني الحسين بن عبيدالله، عن أبي جعفر محمد بن سفيان البزوفري، عن أحمد بن إدريس، عن علي بن محمد بن قتيبة، عن الفضل بن شاذان النيشابوري، عن الحسن بن محبوب، عن علي بن رئاب، عن زرارة قال إن للقائم غيبة قبل ظهوره، قلت [ و ] (1) لم ؟ قال: يخاف القتل

Husayn b. `Abeed Allah informed us from Abi Ja`far Muhammad b. Sufyan al-Bazufari from Ahmad b. Idris from `Ali b. Muhammad b. Qutayba from al-Fadl b. Shadhan al-Nishaburi from al-Hasan b. Majbub from `Ali b. Ra’aab from Zurara. He said: Verily the Qa’im will be occulted before his appearance. I asked: Why? He said: Fear of being killed.

MAJHOOL
MAMDOOH

[Abbas0]

I wish to study more on the topic of our master of affairs and get closer to him and my lord.
Please tell me if I`m right but based on the hadith above stating he would be killed as the reason.. Thats probably true because like Jesus too, they wanted to kill him so it wasn`t his time to rule until he comes back again. Were they preparing for him, can anyone shed light on this topic a little moreÉ

[Babruk Aijaz]

Hazrat Mahdi (p.b.u.h.) says:

"Verily each of my ancestors had the oath of allegiance, upon their necks, of their contemporary tyrant rulers. But I will reappear at such a time that I will not have any tyrant's allegiance upon my neck."

(Ghaibat Tusi Pg.292, Kamaaluddin Vol. 2, Pg.485)

[SoRoUsH]

حَدَّثَنِي عَبْدُ الْوَاحِدِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عُبْدُوسٍ الْعَطَّارُ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ قُتَيْبَةَ عَنْ حَمْدَانَ بْنِ سُلَيْمَانَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ رِئَابٍ عَنْ زُرَارَةَ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا جَعْفَرٍ ع يَقُولُ‏ إِنَّ لِلْقَائِمِ غَيْبَةً قَبْلَ ظُهُورِهِ قُلْتُ وَ لِمَ قَالَ يَخَافُ وَ أَوْمَأَ بِيَدِهِ إِلَى بَطْنِهِ قَالَ زُرَارَةُ يَعْنِي الْقَتْل‏

Zoraara said, I heard Aba Ja'faar say:
"Verily, al-Qa'em will be hidden prior to his appearance."

[Zoraara] asked:
"Why?"

He said:
"He is afraid." and he pointed to his stomach [or abdomen] with his hand.

Zoraara said:
"Meaning, getting killed."

Source:

كمال الدين و تمام النعمة، ج‏2، ص: 481

Note:

• This Hadeeth is Hasan.
  
• It needs to be noted that it was Zoraara, who said "meaning, getting killed" not the Imam
  
• The term "Batn" is to denote the opposite of back "Zahr"
  
• The term "Batn" also denotes "inside of everything"

Edited by SoRoUsH, 09 July 2012 - 03:17 AM.

[-Enlightened]

Abbas0, on 08 July 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

I wish to study more on the topic of our master of affairs and get closer to him and my lord.
Please tell me if I`m right but based on the hadith above stating he would be killed as the reason.. Thats probably true because like Jesus too, they wanted to kill him so it wasn`t his time to rule until he comes back again. Were they preparing for him, can anyone shed light on this topic a little moreÉ

I don't want to speak out of ignorance, but I think that you are right, however it only applies to the first occultation (the minor) , not the big one.

Edited by -Enlightened, 26 July 2012 - 01:12 PM.