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#76 ילדת מלך

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:56 AM

View PostIsmahan007, on 12 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Am afraid you have a long way to go to be a good stalker. so far, you have failed. anyway, reading her posts on this forum, its quite obvious that she made quite a few reforms, which is fine. its her choice and right. I never imposed a thing on her. plus am free to express my views, whatever I said on this post, I said it out of concern for my fellow sista and I don't think I need to change my word. ''reformation'' is the word I liked to use for my discretion. still have a problem?

stalking was not my intention, neither it's my temperament , I was just simple talking,-----------you are offended; OK, no problem, I did not say anything with the intention to offend, but you seem to be so I would not talk to you again from now on---it's pity that we are not many here and still can't get along.My sentences were simple statements without any edge of insinuation or any desire for sparring.

Anyhow from now on, I won't address you--

Edited by ילדת מלך, 13 July 2012 - 01:15 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

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2)Su'dan b. Muslim from abi Abdullah (as) who said: "No problem with marrying the virgin if she is satisfied, without permission of her guardian." [/size]

3) He asked abu Abdullah (as) about the mut'ah with the virgins still amidst their parents, so Imam (as) said: "No problem, and I do not say as what these scoundrels say


4)He said: Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام said: There is no harm with marriage to the virgin when she is pleased without the permission of her father.

5)And Jamil b. Darraj when as-Sadiq عليه السلام was asked about mut`a with a virgin. He said: There is no harm with doing mut`a with a virgin so long as there not reach (?) to her dislike of the shame upon her family.]


Do not mix up all these with each other. Point 1 , 2 and 4 are about marriage of independent virgin girls (Permanent Marriage/ Read again its not about mutta'h)

Point 3 and 5 are W ether some one can perform Mutta'h with virgin or not who lives with family/father/guardian, reply is "There is no harm in it as long as there not reach (?) to her dislike of the shame upon her family", it tells you can perform now comes the conditions that on which condition? For it read Imam's saying i already posted.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 09:29 AM

View PostShia_Debater, on 12 July 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

(bismillah)

(salam)
Were all the wives of the Prophet [saww] and Imams [as] [those who had multiple wives, I'm guessing all did but I'm not sure but even if only one did thats sufficient for this question] unhappy with sharing their husband with other women?
w'salaam, our prophet's multiple marriages should not be confused with what men of these days do. what proves you have those wives of the imams/prophet were happy sharing their husband with other women? history is enough to see they hated each other and the prophet was unhappy with them. besides, those wives were told to accept this tradition of sharing husband and brought up on it. i haven't. I don't have any family member or relative who's into polygamous marriage. never have I ever seen/met a young man in my culture with more than one wife. it mostly happens with men in their old ages like 50 or 60. plus, its not wajeb so there's no reason to force ppl to accept it.  

View PostShia_Debater, on 12 July 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Whats the likelihood of diseases being more if the man is married to two or three women rather than one?
the likelihood of a man who have sex with multiple of females catching a disease is very high than one. the chance of him spreading diseases among those wives is relevant. you need to read a bit on so called sexually transmitted diseases to get more insight, perhaps. its worth thinking abt.

View PostShia_Debater, on 12 July 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

So you would rather marry a sunni man who marries only one woman, and could bring up your kids as sunni, rather than a Shi`a man who is going to marry you and another woman (which is the sunna of the Prophet [saww]) and also treat you both according to the Islamic Shari`a e.g. not be unjust etc.
I didnit say she should marry a sunni, but if she couldn't find a good shia man with no none sense then yes this could be a good choice. she didnt say she only wants 'shia' so I dont see why anyone should sway her of this. she was born as a sunni but she's shia today. guidance comes from Allah not from the ppl. so there's no reason to marry the wrong man to have shia children. besides, the shia wouldn't even have time to teach his children, he's an absentee father after all.

View PostShia_Debater, on 12 July 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Infact its because lack of Mut`a that many people have been corrupted.
you're talking like as if muta is not under abuse. many ppl do filthy things in the name of mutah, and corrupt ppl.

View PostShia_Debater, on 12 July 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

I don't know how a man having two wives would lower his wives, what exactly would it lower her in?
if a husband decided to take more wives its a clear sign that he's aint fully happy with his wife, why should a woman stay married with a man who made it clear for her that she's not enough for him. with all due respect for all those women who are in polygamous marriages, I believe only a low self-esteem woman would stay married to such a man or go and marry a married man. whether he'll treat them equally or not is irrelevant. that's just my opinion that am entitled to have i think.

View Postילדת מלך, on 13 July 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

stalking was not my intention, neither it's my temperament , I was just simple talking,-----------you are offended; OK, no problem, I did not say anything with the intention to offend, but you seem to be so I would not talk to you again from now on---it's pity that we are not many here and still can't get along.My sentences were simple statements without any edge of insinuation or any desire for sparring.

Anyhow from now on, I won't address you--
sis, I'm not offended by ur comment, you just didn't sound to me you were just talking. anyway I don't want to argue over this, I think we're all old enough to get over it!

Edited by Ismahan007, 14 July 2012 - 09:34 AM.


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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:20 AM

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View PostIsmahan007, on 14 July 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

w'salaam, our prophet's multiple marriages should not be confused with what men of these days do. what proves you have those wives of the imams/prophet were happy sharing their husband with other women? history is enough to see they hated each other and the prophet was unhappy with them. besides, those wives were told to accept this tradition of sharing husband and brought up on it. i haven't. I don't have any family member or relative who's into polygamous marriage. never have I ever seen/met a young man in my culture with more than one wife. it mostly happens with men in their old ages like 50 or 60. plus, its not wajeb so there's no reason to force ppl to accept it.  

You are the one saying that they were unhappy, so im afraid the onus is on you to prove that they were unhappy having to share the prophet (pbuh) with multiple women. Only a few of them as far as I know hated other wives, but the same can't be said for all of them.

I know its not wajib, I never forced someone to accept it, but all im saying is its permissible, you are talking as if its haram. [i dont know if there are any certain cases in which it would become impermissible but i doubt it would]

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the likelihood of a man who have sex with multiple of females catching a disease is very high than one. the chance of him spreading diseases among those wives is relevant. you need to read a bit on so called sexually transmitted diseases to get more insight, perhaps. its worth thinking abt.

Any evidence?

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I didnit say she should marry a sunni, but if she couldn't find a good shia man with no none sense then yes this could be a good choice. she didnt say she only wants 'shia' so I dont see why anyone should sway her of this. she was born as a sunni but she's shia today. guidance comes from Allah not from the ppl. so there's no reason to marry the wrong man to have shia children. besides, the shia wouldn't even have time to teach his children, he's an absentee father after all.

What are you talking about? Clearly if you marry a sunni there is the risk of him not being guided after you marry him, which means your children may grow up to become sunnis. By "none sense" do you mean multiple marriage? How on earth is it nonsense...

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you're talking like as if muta is not under abuse. many ppl do filthy things in the name of mutah, and corrupt ppl.

So what? Many people do filthy things in the name of Islam, should we apostate? Many people do filthy things in the name of marriage, should we not get permanently married?

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if a husband decided to take more wives its a clear sign that he's aint fully happy with his wife, why should a woman stay married with a man who made it clear for her that she's not enough for him.

It's not a clear sign that he isn't fully happy with his wives.

Maybe one wife doesn't satisfy hes needs so he wants another wife (that doesnt mean hes not happy with one wife)

Maybe he wants to follow the Sunna of the Prophet (pbuh)... dont tell me multiple marriage is a bad thing you are claiming the Sunna of the Prophet (pbuh) is a bad thing astaghfirullah.

I know in some cases it may not be ideal, but you are talking as if in all cases it is not ideal.

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with all due respect for all those women who are in polygamous marriages, I believe only a low self-esteem woman would stay married to such a man or go and marry a married man. whether he'll treat them equally or not is irrelevant. that's just my opinion that am entitled to have i think.

So you believe (astaghfirullah) that Ummul Baneen [ra] had low self esteem and this is why she would stay married to Imam Ali [as]?

Or that (astaghfirullah) Umm Salama [ra] had low self esteem and that is why she stayed married to the Prophet (pbuh)?
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