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[Shia_Debater]

How does one gain Yaqeen (100% certainty) in Allah (swt) and the right path?

Do we have verses in the Qur'an or narrations from the Ma`sumeen [as] that tell us how to achieve Yaqeen? Are there certain Du`aa' from the Ma`sumeen [as] that are recommened to recite to gain Yaqeen.. or anything else?

Edited by Shia_Debater, 03 July 2012 - 01:14 AM.

[yukapuka]

read dua adeelah it helps alot

[Chaotic Muslem]

i thought yaqeen is something you get after you die

[Shia_Debater]

Chaotic Muslem, on 03 July 2012 - 03:01 AM, said:

i thought yaqeen is something you get after you die

I do not mean yaqeen as in death, I mean yaqeen as in 100% belief in Allah (swt) and the right path [though the word yaqeen has been used for death (because death is a certainty) before in qur'an and ziarat but that isn't what I mean here - {I don't know if the word yaqeen is used as death in all verses or all ziaaraat but I know it used in definitely at least one verse}]

Edited by Shia_Debater, 03 July 2012 - 03:08 AM.

[Chaotic Muslem]

Shia_Debater, on 03 July 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I do not mean yaqeen as in death, I mean yaqeen as in 100% belief in Allah (swt) and the right path [though the word yaqeen has been used for death (because death is a certainty) before in qur'an and ziarat but that isn't what I mean here - {I don't know if the word yaqeen is used as death in all verses or all ziaaraat but I know it used in definitely at least one verse}]

i meant yaqeen in Allah , helll and heaven and all that is ghayb for us
i'd seek iman first , yaqeen will follow

[awaitingyou1]

salaam,

well then u require ma'refat. it is ma'refat that will make ur "yaqeen" strong. it is ma'refat that is required for everything related to islam. i mean to love islam and believe in everything that it says. also for the reappearance of imam and helping him.

for ma'refat you will have to gain knowledge and the more u gain knowledge abt a thing (if it is right and pure) the more u ll love it and tht is ma'refat abt tht particulat thing.

[Chaotic Muslem]

awaitingyou1, on 03 July 2012 - 03:25 AM, said:

salaam,

well then u require ma'refat. it is ma'refat that will make ur "yaqeen" strong. it is ma'refat that is required for everything related to islam. i mean to love islam and believe in everything that it says. also for the reappearance of imam and helping him.

for ma'refat you will have to gain knowledge and the more u gain knowledge abt a thing (if it is right and pure) the more u ll love it and tht is ma'refat abt tht particulat thing.

ma'refah is important BUT didnt Iblis know it all except he ended up in hell ?

[yukapuka]

Chaotic Muslem, on 03 July 2012 - 03:44 AM, said:

ma'refah is important BUT didnt Iblis know it all except he ended up in hell ?

Iblis does have yaqeen, however he  didnt  purify himself completely and pride was left in his heart
there are verses in the Quran where iblis is  quoted as saying to us after he has caused a person to become a disbeliever "i am clear of you, i  believe in Allah   the almighty all wise" and so on and so forth

purity of self is something  divine,

and what you are asking for yaqeen, is purity of self, because it is  not Allah which  makes us blind to him, but us that make ourselves blind to  Allah by commiting sin, till the heart becomes hard and blind

also any of those traits such as anger, pride, hate, lower self, all of this accounts to veils of veils of disbelief

that  is  why i recommended you read dua Adeelah which is read to a dying person, hence you  must be in that state where  you die from yourself here in this world while physically alive, ande the veils will be lifted and you will have yaqeen

however keep two things in mind

firstly these gifts of yaqeen and true imaan is a gift, a veryu special gift from Allah that was given to prophets after much trials and tribulations, so dont think its something which is free, i think if you prayed to God for this world and yaqeen, it would  be easier to  be given this world before yaqeen, for t requires utmostt patience and utmost endurance in tribulations to achieve, and when  it  is given, it does not coem freely,. expect hardship after hardship, and only then  if you pass, and Allah  decides to  have such mercy, will you achieve this, hence why i sugested you read dua adeelah, because this is  the first step iof many may steps before you can achieve any of these gems of infinity in God, also yqeen doesnt come alone4, with it  it brings ccourage, tawfeeq, answered prayers, and many many more gifts, so you can never receive it alone, because these degrees of special levels are not easy to achieve and receive


point number two, even if you achieve it after much much difficulties, it is so easy to lose it, and so  easy to not inly lose it, but lose everything else you have with it, such as any faith you might have already established within yourself, and any habit(good) which you might  have, so again, getting it is not the end of the line, it is the beginning of new tests and difficulties, only now if you fail(which is even easier then when you didnt have it) forgiveness and to return back to even your old stage, becomes extremely difficult and you can easily fall of the  path  and head  into so perdition from which there is no coming back, and God will testt you that is for certain, there is  no escaping it

therfore my conclusion in all this, maybe the reason you dont  have it right  now is because God doesnt think your ready to have it and endure its hardships, because  dont forget this life is a test, and the closer you get to  God, the harder and harder it becomes

imam sadiq said the more faith you have  the harder life gets

so perhaps right now is not the time for you to get it, and God  is not giving you it because in  his  mercy he knows you might fail

however that doesnt mean you sto striving, it means you needs tto work on those wekaness which cause this ffailure, you might  have some hidden disbelief or hypocracy in your heart that has  become your habit and hence causing all these problems of disbelief to arise so you are lookin for its solutions

the best thing i can advice is to return back to principals, and speend time on those basicc principals which we sometimes forget and let slip, and then eventually we ignore  out  of bad habit, and eventually when you are ready to move up  in faith, God will call you to him

one more thing, yaqeen is like God  giving you a country in this  world, now imagine if you were suddenly handed a whole economy, a whole social culture, a whole nation, a whole government, a whole military etc to manage, of course without the  right experience your mistakes would cost the lives and so much  more of others, and eventually that country will be  run down and fail

this is what you are asking for right now, but unfortunately you doint  have the management skills  to cope with it or the experience to manage it correctly

until you master the basic principals(imagine our shariah and basics islam don't steal, dont lie, dont backbite etc) its like you  have  not yet learned to walk, but you want to  fly kapish?

one more thing, if you get yaqeen, God would give you cities upon cities upon cities upon infinite rewards in the next world for you to enjoy, and God  doesnt give these things away so easily, we have to earn it just like how we earn money in this world, we have to start at the bottom and build our banks accounts up

good luck, and we need to learn to take our religion more seriously justt like we take everything else in life seriously, except in reality the  life is childs play as compared to  what is to come

[Shia_Debater]

Jazakum Allah Khair for your replies everyone - more replies are still welcome [incase someone thought by this post of mine I was 'finishing off the topic']

yukapuka - do you think before yaqeen there is a lower state of certainty one can reach which is easier to achieve? Say for example, imaan - and if so how do you think that would be achieved? The same was as yaqeen but just that it would be reached quicker?

Edited by Shia_Debater, 03 July 2012 - 06:33 AM.

[yukapuka]

tabatabai said a wonderful thing

he said all that is on the outside is manifested on the inside and all that is inside is manifested on the outside

Isa said, as well as Imam Ali said "seeing they see not, hearing they hear not"

yes you are correct everything has stages even belief, just like fitness for example

you might train and be strong, but this is only relative to others, for example we have no belief when compared to the imaams ,just like we have no strength when compared to a bull, or rhino
however when compared to an ant we have infinite strength etc

God created this world in such a way that wherever you look you can see God, but you must lift the veils of your heart to see it, which means you must have faith, and you do have faith we all have faith, even an atheist has faith
because he believes when he goes to sleep that he will wake up tommorow, or he believes in his security or he believes that if he works he will have money to buy food and hence he will eat and hence he will survive,
and he also believes that one day he will physicaly die

belief is a wonderfull thing, and when we achieve belief, we see the truth in everything, we eventually see God in everything and this is what you called yaqeen(to a certain degree in the material world)

the main and pathway to truth is to follow Islam and the Imams, all the instructions they gave us is because they knew what we dont, and they seee what we dont
and we if we dont go forward, we get stuck in this vicious cycle which leads to nothing and has no instructions, so God  then sends troubles and hardhsips to us to remind us of him and to remind us where we have to go and to whom we have to call out

but in a nutshell yes we all have certain degrees of faith, and all that separates us is the difference between sin and good, and also following our carnal appetites which cause us to move away from faith and God

[BaqiyatullahY]

Check this link:  http://www.shiasiste...topic.php?t=668

Btw, it's a great topic

[yukapuka]

cendrillon, on 03 July 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

Check this link:  http://www.shiasiste...topic.php?t=668

Btw, it's a great topic

it is true a person would purify themselves in doing such a practise as mentioned in that link, but before he/she moves forward he/she would have to get that idea of doing it for other then God out of his/her head

actually what usually happens, is that the person who embarks on such a path would come with the intention of "experimenting" and for the reason of seeing all these things that were described in that  post you posted, he/she she would embark on this journey, however after 2 weeks he /she would find no results of "visions" and would however see how far he/she has come, and the feeling that it rectifies to the individual whom is practising it would become like a drug)its addictive to have that beauty in prayer and worship and remembrance of God) and eventually the persons would naturally change their intention and he/she would not care about "seeing" anything, and would continue their journey towards God for God alone, because God gives them a drink from his cup of love, and the person feels that love from god which drives them crazy and they want to experience it again and again(its the best pleasure), but if the person continues  down this path, and passes the tests to come, then eventually the person enters a stage known as khulus, or better said witnesses khulus

however there is forty stages of forty days (40x40) to "enter and become one with khulus and it requires consistent work and continues effort and the passing of the forty stages of forty days before God gives the person permanent belief, however like anything, God can take it away any time  

we in reality have nothing and can on our own selves do nothing

[hameedeh]

Yaqeen is discussed in the book Jami' al-Sa'adat (The Collector of Felicities), which is in the Ethics Book List: http://www.shiachat....hics-book-list/

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Stages of Certainty

1. `Ilm al-Yaqin : Which is certain and permanent conviction. It is like the conviction of a man who when he sees smoke believes with certainty that there must be a fire too.

2. `Ayn al-yaqin: Which is beholding something with-either the outer or the inner-eye. Using the above example, it is like the conviction of a man who not only sees the smoke but fire itself.

3. Haqq al-yaqin: Which is the state of certainty acquired when a form of spiritual and actual union exists between the knower and the known thing. This would be the case, for example, if one should be himself in the midst of fire mentioned in the above example. This is called "the union of the knower and the known", and is discussed in its appropriate place. In order to attain haqq al-yaqin one must fulfil certain necessary conditions. These are:

You can read the rest in the subsection called Signs of Men of Conviction in the section called Diseases of the Soul and their Treatment.

Book online: http://www.al-islam....hid/felicities/

[yukapuka]

one more thing which i found wrong with that post is "stay up for forty nights every night praying"

the Quran says that night is for rest and the day is for staying awake

even the prophet slept at night, see this is why we need the Imams, to clarify these misconceptions that have entered into our religion

to correct that as the Quran says one third of the night is to be spent in ibadaat, so lets say you go to sleep at night at 8 ocloc, then you wake up at 2-3 am and you do salatul layl and other dua etc

the Imams have recommended we sleep 6 hours, so you still have a great portion to do what you need to do

also another thing, work is ibadaat as the imams have said in hadeeth, so for a prson who is working during the day(especially in the west) he can still wake up for the last 2-3 hours of the night, or maybe a little more to spend time with God

anyway to stay awake all night , and then to sleep all day is the trait of a lazy person, so it  is not what is supposed to be done, also it is unrealistic in todays world, and almost impossible if the person had to work during the day, he would fail within three days

and one more thing, quality not quantity the arifs of our time and prior have said many times, dont do everything in the book, rather do one thing consistently and with passion

just like bruce lee said "i am more afraid of the person who has practised the one kick 10,000 times, as compared to the person who has practised 10,000 different kicks once each"

bottom line is do what the Imams have said, they said do saltul layl, they said do some dhikr before fajr,(not the whole night), and they said do the 52 recommended prayers every day etc and so many hadeeths of their recommendations, our problem is that we dont do what they say, and we seek something other then what they said, something "special" to achieve truth, when in reality they gave us the best program

one more thing, isolating yourself from people is not the answer to the problem, rather go amongst them, dont be afraid of them doing the wrong before you, but be afraid that when they do wrong you dont do or say anything(whitn reason), i dont mean argue with them on every issue, but for example lets ssay your  around non muslims(and i wish this was always and the  only case) and they started to  backbite, you would interrupt them and protect the person as if he were your brother/sister, even if that person is wrong, or if you cant convionce them, then you show your protest by walking away, and eventually they wont backbite around you anymore, if they dont stop or if they are inisting on it, then you need better friends, or if they are inavoidable, then be prepared to do jihad with them for however long God wants to test you with this

the point is not to run away, but to be not scared of their judgements or of social differences, or fear that you might be left out or non-confirming or anti social, who cares what others think, you do what Imam Ali did and as in dua nudba it says about imam Ali "He was not afraid of any blamers"

musa in a hadeeth was asked who was his teacher in manners(after he displayed a beautiful manner before some people) and he responded i learnt manners from the vile and rude people by being around them and seeing how much i dont want to be like that

so the point is not to run away because you cannot "enjoin good and forbid evil" due to fear of social status or what others might do or reach to you

anyway all of thi within reason, im not saying you should go looking for the vile, but i am saying dont be afraid to stand up to truth, and i know how hard it an be sometimes, but you have to sometimes humiliate yourself and "..not care for any blamers" this will show to God how much you only care about him, and God will reciprocate what you did, and trust me he will not dishonor you but he will raise your status amongst people in such a way that you yourself couldn't do it in a million years

Edited by yukapuka, 03 July 2012 - 08:09 AM.

[Kamranistan]

Self-improvement through reflection and then action. For Yaqeen you must fulfill the wajib and you must abstain from sin as best you can. If you don'y do these then you have no yaqeen in much at all. Yaqeen is shown through action.

[Shia_Debater]

Kamran-Syed, on 03 July 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Self-improvement through reflection and then action. For Yaqeen you must fulfill the wajib and you must abstain from sin as best you can. If you don'y do these then you have no yaqeen in much at all. Yaqeen is shown through action.

Do you mean it's shown to me by Allah (swt) because of my actions, or do you mean that it's shown to others by me through my actions? or both?