Mut, on 07 July 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:
yes no i'm not iranian, but just like that 2nd video: you skipped to explain when he said "and if blood will flow, let it flow"
so according to your principles (as interpreted of khorasani): it's allowed to beat with chains to the extent that blood will flow?
From what you say it is apparent that you havent read the Ayatullah Naennis fatwa. It helps that when you discuss fatwas that you go and read them before discussing them. It increases your credibility and makes me think you are serious about this discussion. Nevertheless I will explain it to you as I have to many blood letters before. The fatwa talks about zanjeer zani and doing it to such extent that the back can turn red or black from bruising and even if a little blood is spilt it is permissable.
Blood letters would have you believe it is a fatwa about Indopak zanjeer zani ie. zanjeers Zani with blades.
However any reasonable person will recognise that zanjeer zani iranian style causes bruising (black and blue) and the skin can split causing blood to be spilt.
IndoPak zanjeer zani is not about bruising it is predominantly about cutting and slashing not bruising. So go and read the fatwa then come back and talk
Kaniz e Zahra, on 07 July 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:
Iranians do zanjeerzani from over the clothes,so how is it suppose to draw blood?
And none of the maraji has prohibited zanjeer without blade so why did Ay.Khurasani specifically gave the verdict in its favor?it clearly indicates it meant zanjeer with blades,which is criticized usually,not one without blades,the fatwa is quite clear but those who don't want to admit will keep arguing for the sake of arguing.
since the youtube clip is only a few minutes long and we dont know in what context the speech was given it is difficult to say why he was talking about what he is. Only the disengenuous blood letters focus on blood and zanjeer and ignore everything else in the fatwa. More fool you for thinking you can pull the wool over people eyes
Edited by A true Sunni, 07 July 2012 - 04:29 PM.