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Poll: Would you feel bad ? (16 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you feel bad that you turned her down ?

  1. No. It has nothing to do with me and she would have done that anyway (3 votes [18.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  2. No. I don't have to explain why (1 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  3. Yes. I would feel a little guilty (2 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  4. Yes. I would feel horrible (8 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  5. No. I wouldn't turn her down. I like them on the hefty side. (2 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

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#1 Abu Hadi

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:02 PM

Here is the scenario,

You meet a girl in school (or at work ) who you think has a good personality. She is practicing the religion, is muhajibat, and you have had a few relgious based discussions with her. So this goes on for a few months, then one day she asks you about the topic of marriage generally, and then drops some hints so you get the message that she is interested in marrying you. So you consider it, and say you will go talk to the father.

You talk to the father, and he gives his enthusiastic approval B) . Before you 'take the plung' you ask him if you can see her in normal cloths, without hijab. He resists at first but finally agrees. So you see her in jeans and a t shirt and notice that she is a little on the hefty side of things. You do the calculations in your head and figure that after a couple of kids she will blow up like a water baloon. So after ,this you give some lame excuse to leave and later tell her that 'you are just not ready to get married' and that you will revisit the idea in a few months. She gets the message.

You see her a few years later at the shopping mall and she has taken off her hijab, is dressing trashy and flirting with guys. You come to find out that she stopped doing salat, going to the masjid, etc. So same question. Would you feel bad ?

Sisters don't answer or I'll send my little annoying cousins over to your house to break your lamps and get everything messy.
BTW, I already voted. Yes, I would feel horrible. This is not a real scenario (that I know of)

Edited by Abu Hadi, 26 June 2012 - 06:23 PM.

Hadith #32.

With my continuous chain of transmission reaching up to Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulaynl, from al-Husayn ibn Muhammad, from al-Mu'alla ibn Muhammad, from al-Hasan ibn 'All al-Washsha', from 'Abd Allah ibn Sinan, from Abu 'Abd Allah, may Peace be upon him, which he said:

"Among the things pertaining to the soundness of a Muslim's certitude [in faith] is that he would not please people while displeasing God, nor blame them for something that God has not given him. For, verily, [God's] rizq (provision, sustenance) is not brought about by anybody's greed, nor is it withheld by anyone's disapproval, and were anyone of you to flee from his rizq like he flees death, his rizq would overtake him in the way he is overtaken by death." Then he added, "Indeed Allah with His justice and fairness, has put joy and comfort in certainty (yaqin) and satisfaction (al- rida) and He has put sorrow and grief in doubt and dissatisfaction."

http://www.al-islam.org/40hadith/

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:23 PM

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Yes I would feel bad - the reason for not marrying is a non islamic criteria (looks) and besides it's not like it's impossible to lose weight
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:36 PM

LOL FLIRTING WITH MEN?? THANK GOD OH LORD YOU SAVED ME FROM A ******

***goes down in sujood and performs 10000 rakat mushtahab prayer*

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:37 PM

View PostMutah_King, on 26 June 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

LOL FLIRTING WITH MEN?? THANK GOD OH LORD YOU SAVED ME FROM A ******

***goes down in sujood and performs 10000 rakat mushtahab prayer*

Haha.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:59 PM

You can't expect people (male or female) to marry someone they are not attracted to....nor should they have to feel guilty about it. Also if this hypothetical girl starts dressing like a hooker and throwing herself at men because of rejection she is weak and only she is responsible for her bad behavior.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:06 PM

^ ImAli, if u need help with tidying up, ani bil khidma. i can be round in a few hours.

View PostAbu Hadi, on 26 June 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Sisters don't answer or I'll send my little annoying cousins over to your house to break your lamps and get everything messy.


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:25 PM

View PostAbu Hadi, on 26 June 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Here is the scenario,

You meet a girl in school (or at work ) who you think has a good personality. She is practicing the religion, is muhajibat, and you have had a few relgious based discussions with her. So this goes on for a few months, then one day she asks you about the topic of marriage generally, and then drops some hints so you get the message that she is interested in marrying you. So you consider it, and say you will go talk to the father.

You talk to the father, and he gives his enthusiastic approval B) . Before you 'take the plung' you ask him if you can see her in normal cloths, without hijab. He resists at first but finally agrees. So you see her in jeans and a t shirt and notice that she is a little on the hefty side of things. You do the calculations in your head and figure that after a couple of kids she will blow up like a water baloon. So after ,this you give some lame excuse to leave and later tell her that 'you are just not ready to get married' and that you will revisit the idea in a few months. She gets the message.

You see her a few years later at the shopping mall and she has taken off her hijab, is dressing trashy and flirting with guys. You come to find out that she stopped doing salat, going to the masjid, etc. So same question. Would you feel bad ?

Sisters don't answer or I'll send my little annoying cousins over to your house to break your lamps and get everything messy.
BTW, I already voted. Yes, I would feel horrible. This is not a real scenario (that I know of)

bold part 1: There is always diet ;)
bold part2: which girl in their right mind will stop namaz because a guy rejected her? That would mean her imaan was weak to begin with and the guy is just a excuse to get her out of the religion..

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:44 PM

the brother should realize that he's probably gonna swell up like a balloon himself in a few years, and be a typical bot-bellied old man.

but yeah, if i was that guy, i wouldnt feel guilty.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:00 PM

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Hefty? There would just be more of her to love.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:08 PM

I guess Im the only one who likes them a little hefty??

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:12 PM

^ lol, P of the D wants to be prom king.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:14 PM

...if only she would have been making sandwiches none of this would have happened.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:45 PM

View PostFink, on 26 June 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

I guess Im the only one who likes them a little hefty??

View PostPropaganda_of_the_Deed, on 26 June 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Hefty? There would just be more of her to love.

I groaned at that part too though. I was expecting some really compelling physical deterrent.. like a seventh toe or the body analogous to that of a 12 year old male.

But nope. Homegirl just knows how to fill out her jeans. The horror :donno:


Alas Abu Hadi, this hypothetical was one of the whitest things you have ever authored.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:57 PM

^ well for some guys its hard to be attracted to that. I take a weighing machine when searching for my soul-mate. Anything over 120lbs and its not happening.
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#15 Haydar Husayn

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:58 PM

Assuming she is otherwise good looking, it would make more sense to get her to lose weight after the marriage, rather than to just turn her down. Good wives don't grow on trees, and you'd have to be pretty stupid to turn a potential one down based on something that is relatively easily rectified (or that can possibly even be overlooked in light of her other qualities). On the other hand, if she did start acting like that after the rejection, then clearly she wasn't very religious in the first place.
And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him). [Qur'an 10:18, Shakir translation]

Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful. [Qur'an 39:3, Shakir translation]

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:00 PM

This may sound like a dumb question, but I have heard that when you are looking to get married (as in the case above) you are allowed to see the girl you are interested in, without her hijab in 'non Islamic clothes' in this case, t-shirt and jeans. I thought its not permitted for a Muslim woman to take off her hijab infront of men who are not part of her family?

I am not even a year old (of being a Muslim :P) so I don't much about this subject nor have I taken time to study this area so forgive me for asking.
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"For everything there is weighing and measuring except tears. One tear drop can extinguish oceans of fire. If the eyes flood with tears, the face will not suffer hardship and humiliation. When tears flow out, Allah forbids them from the Fire. And if a person weeps in a nation, such nation will receive favors."


(al-Kafi, Volume 2, hadith 3113)


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:01 PM

View PostHaydar Husayn, on 26 June 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Assuming she is otherwise good looking, it would make more sense to get her to lose weight after the marriage

dont most brides-to-be undergo dieting before the marriage anyway?
Someone picked up the head of Hussain: "These lips that kissed The Prophet now kiss the dust."

"Sometimes you find requests are not immediately granted. Do not be disappointed. Fulfillment of desires rest in the true purpose or intention of the prayer. More often fulfillment is delayed because merciful Lord wants to bestow upon you suitable rewards. In the meantime bear patiently hardships, believing sincerely in His help. You will get better favours, because, unknowingly you may ask for things which are really harmful to you. Many of your requests, if granted, may bring eternal damnation. So at times, withholding fulfillment is a blessing in disguise."

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:06 PM

View PostAli Musaaa ':)', on 26 June 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

This may sound like a dumb question, but I have heard that when you are looking to get married (as in the case above) you are allowed to see the girl you are interested in, without her hijab in 'non Islamic clothes' in this case, t-shirt and jeans. I thought its not permitted for a Muslim woman to take off her hijab infront of men who are not part of her family?

I am not even a year old (of being a Muslim :P) so I don't much about this subject nor have I taken time to study this area so forgive me for asking.
There is an exception in the final stages of agreeing to a marriage.
And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him). [Qur'an 10:18, Shakir translation]

Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful. [Qur'an 39:3, Shakir translation]

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:07 PM

View PostHaydar Husayn, on 26 June 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:


There is an exception in the final stages of agreeing to a marriage.

Ah okay. Thanks Brother
Imam Ja`far as-Sadiq [a] said:


"For everything there is weighing and measuring except tears. One tear drop can extinguish oceans of fire. If the eyes flood with tears, the face will not suffer hardship and humiliation. When tears flow out, Allah forbids them from the Fire. And if a person weeps in a nation, such nation will receive favors."


(al-Kafi, Volume 2, hadith 3113)


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:08 PM

View Posthaidernyc, on 26 June 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

dont most brides-to-be undergo dieting before the marriage anyway?
Possibly, but there isn't much point if she is just going to put it back on soon afterwards, which would likely be the result if she crash-dieted before the wedding, for example..
And they serve beside Allah what can neither harm them nor profit them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Do you (presume to) inform Allah of what He knows not in the heavens and the earth? Glory be to Him, and supremely exalted is He above what they set up (with Him). [Qur'an 10:18, Shakir translation]

Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful. [Qur'an 39:3, Shakir translation]

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:16 PM

View PostHaydar Husayn, on 26 June 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Assuming she is otherwise good looking, it would make more sense to get her to lose weight after the marriage, rather than to just turn her down. Good wives don't grow on trees, and you'd have to be pretty stupid to turn a potential one down based on something that is relatively easily rectified (or that can possibly even be overlooked in light of her other qualities). On the other hand, if she did start acting like that after the rejection, then clearly she wasn't very religious in the first place.

LOOOL! You have a better shot at working your wife overtime compiling hadiths than shedding some pounds.

The only sure shot way that works 50% of the time is introducing slimer and younger co-wives, even then,  half of them eventually go all bitter feminazi on you.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:21 PM

View Postawaiting_for_the.12th, on 26 June 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

^ well for some guys its hard to be attracted to that. I take a weighing machine when searching for my soul-mate. Anything over 120lbs and its not happening.

You sound  super insecure like a real charmer.

Pray tell, do you rely on their word/your guesstimation or do you weigh them (using the plural "them" because I assume from your narrow specifications that you can afford to be picky) before proposing?

If it is a weigh in, I highly recommend you let the girl know a day prior that she should avoid all sodium intake lest you mistake water weight for an actual figure. :rolleyes:

View PostMutah_King, on 26 June 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

LOOOL! You have a better shot at working your wife overtime compiling hadiths than shedding some pounds.

The only sure shot way that works 50% of the time is introducing slimer and younger co-wives, even then,  half of them eventually go all bitter feminazi on you.

Or perhaps the presence of slimmer, younger looking males. ^_^

Edited by Zahratul_Islam, 26 June 2012 - 10:22 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:24 PM

View PostZahratul_Islam, on 26 June 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I groaned at that part too though. I was expecting some really compelling physical deterrent.. like a seventh toe or the body analogous to that of a 12 year old male.

But nope. Homegirl just knows how to fill out her jeans. The horror :donno:



Perhaps if we can get the five toed ladies to get married first, we can then work on the 7 toed ones.

Now ladies just being on shiachat increases your odds of marriage by atleast 25%,

and if you stay a little hefty maybe one day you'll be fortunate enough to have one of us cool shiachat boys.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:24 PM

View Postawaiting_for_the.12th, on 26 June 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

Anything over 120lbs and its not happening.

you want an anorexic wife then.
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"Sometimes you find requests are not immediately granted. Do not be disappointed. Fulfillment of desires rest in the true purpose or intention of the prayer. More often fulfillment is delayed because merciful Lord wants to bestow upon you suitable rewards. In the meantime bear patiently hardships, believing sincerely in His help. You will get better favours, because, unknowingly you may ask for things which are really harmful to you. Many of your requests, if granted, may bring eternal damnation. So at times, withholding fulfillment is a blessing in disguise."

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:31 PM

View Posthaidernyc, on 26 June 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

you want an anorexic wife then.
I have seen short girls who look a little chunky at 120 and tall girls who look slim at 135. The fact that this number was used as a blanket generalization indicated the lack of knowledge this person has of the female body.


View PostFink, on 26 June 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Perhaps if we can get the five toed ladies to get married first, we can then work on the 7 toed ones.

Sil3uwa :shifty:

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and if you stay a little hefty maybe one day you'll be fortunate enough to have one of us cool shiachat boys.

Akh.. anorexia has never been so alluring :donno:

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