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[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Israel Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial attack: Three held


Three ultra-Orthodox Jewish men have been arrested in Israel, suspected of defacing the national Holocaust memorial with anti-Zionist graffiti.

One of the slogans daubed in paint on the walls of the memorial read: "If Hitler had not existed, the Zionists would have invented him."
The suspects have admitted vandalising the site, a police spokesman said.

Suspicion for the attack had fallen on radical ultra-Orthodox Jews who oppose the creation of the state of Israel.

One of the slogans, all in Hebrew, was signed "world ultra-Orthodox Jewry".

Another read: "Thanks Hitler for the wonderful Holocaust you organised for us. Only thanks to you we got a state from the UN."

Another said: "Honourable government of Poland, stop allowing the Zionists to hold manipulative 'memorial' ceremonies in Auschwitz."

Some ultra-Orthodox Jews believe a Jewish state can be established only after the coming of the Messiah, and that the state of Israel is therefore illegitimate.

A small number of extremists believe the myth that Israel's founders conspired with Hitler to bring about the Jewish state.

Yad Vashem was established in 1953 and commemorates the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis during World War II.

The three suspects are to appear before a Jerusalem court later on Tuesday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-18591455

[Maryammm]

wow.... were these chabad jews... apparently they believe in a rabbi (can't remember his name) as their messiah... but that wouldn't make sense if they believe that the state of Israel can't reform until the messiah comes... Only orthodox jews could get away with this, if Muslims did it then people wouldn't take notice and would just assume it's anti-semitism... I hope they don't get too heavy of a punishment, and that their cause gets more attention in the mainstream news in the west inshallah

[Marbles]

They aren't going to win any points with this. If anything, this attack on the museum is going to confirm to one and all that they are a bunch of fundamentalist retards with serious mental problems.

[titumir]

I wouldn't be surprised if many of the "anti-semitic" grafitti they make a huge deal about in Europe, were done by Jews themselves to gain sympathy.

[Marbles]

I wouldn't be surprised if many of the "anti-semitic" grafitti they make a huge deal about in Europe, were done by Jews themselves to gain sympathy.

It would make sense if they blamed it on Palestinians.

[openmindedjew]

I don't think these Jews are Chabad. Chabad has a more positive attitude towards Israel. These people are probably connected in some way with Satmar and/or Neturei karta.

[Yoel]

I don't think these Jews are Chabad. Chabad has a more positive attitude towards Israel. These people are probably connected in some way with Satmar and/or Neturei karta.

Historically speaking, Chabad had different branches and used to be extremely anti-Zionist. The fifth rebbe of Lubavitch was one of the main inspiration sources of Neturei Karta. One small heavily Satmarized Chabad group (about 100-200 people) called "Malokhim" or "Malukhim", is anti-Zionist and is linked partially with Neturei Karta. Their main leader went even to Iran to talk with Ahmadinejad. They don't recognize the last two Lubavitch rebbes and consider the last one a heretic.

But 99% of Chabad people today belong to the Lubavitch movement, which has some of the most extreme fanatical Zionists among its ranks. But before the Six-Day War there was some interesting overlap even between Lubavitch and Neturei Karta. Some older Lubavitch families in Jerusalem are totally anti-Zionist.

One thing is for sure that those guys were not Satmar and not even any "standard" sub-branch of Neturei Karta (though these guys are very decentralized and have hardly any common standard, besides anti-Zionism and general adherence to Hungarian or Lithuanian ultra-Orthodoxy).

Edited by Yoel, 26 July 2012 - 02:42 PM.

[aliasghark]

I wouldn't be surprised if many of the "anti-semitic" grafitti they make a huge deal about in Europe, were done by Jews themselves to gain sympathy.

There was an incident like that in New York fairly recently.. offensive swastikas in Jewish areas by people of the same faith. http://m.christianpo...e-crimes-67396/

[Yoel]

There was an incident like that in New York fairly recently.. offensive swastikas in Jewish areas by people of the same faith. http://m.christianpo...e-crimes-67396/

Well, the people who defaced the museum in Israel are not antisemitic. Their statements were sarcastic. "Thanks Hitler for our state" etc. are grotesque expressions of Zionist logic, which they criticize. But this action was obviously insensitive and stupid, so the mass media portrayed it as "antisemitism". I know this Jewish group very well. They are very-very traditional and never antisemitic, but sometimes they only consider non-Zionist Orthodox as real Jews, and sometimes do really stupid and bizarre things.

It seems that this guy in Chicago got simply angry at his friends and wanted to harass them. There is no ideology involved, unless you count US capitalism as the ideology that damaged him economically and turned him mad.

Edited by Yoel, 27 July 2012 - 09:46 AM.

[Asr]

Lol i like the slogans... The pont is not as the bbc mentions that hitler conspired with the jews, the point is the holocaust has been exploited to the hilt by the zionist people for their own agendas, the state of israel being one.

[Yoel]

The slogans are cool, but poorly explained. Only someone who is already critical of Zionism is likely to understand and appreciate them. And they could choose a more reasonable place for their graffiti, perhaps something like the apartheid Wall. Good idea, but stupid tactic...

[Christianlady]

The slogans are cool, but poorly explained. Only someone who is already critical of Zionism is likely to understand and appreciate them. And they could choose a more reasonable place for their graffiti, perhaps something like the apartheid Wall. Good idea, but stupid tactic...

Hello Yoel,

What they did can just basically be lumped into "acts of disrespectful people," like gangs and their graffiti.

Graffiti and messages can be really cool and profound, but only if the artists buy a building and paint up their own walls. So, what these people should do is just buy a sign or a building or something to demonstrate their skills and proclaim their message.

Otherwise, it's just blatant delinquency.

Peace and God bless you