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[Aabiss_Shakari]

Every one knows that MWM has announced a politico-religious procession on 1st July 2012 at Minar e Pakistan Lahore. But now our so called leader sleeping goat Allama Sajid Naqvi has woke up and his allies are stopping people from attending MWM Procession.They claim that Sajid Naqvi is true representative of Ayatullah Khamenai (hz) in Pakistan and Shias of Pakistan should follow him. Sajid Naqvi has lost his crediblity. He is coward and is getting money from Iran but did nothing for Pakistan Shias. SHIAS of Pakistan have lost hope from Iran also because Iran is supporting a coward horse like Sajid Naqvi instead of supporting bold Shia scholars of MWM. Iran must understand the ground reality and should support MWM Instead of coward Sajid Naqvi.

[Marbles]

Sajid Naqvi..sigh. How long is he going to drag his feet even after being discredited and embarrassed by the larger Shia community which doesn't want to see his face anymore.

[Noah-]

He is coward and is getting money from Iran but did nothing for Pakistan Shias. SHIAS of Pakistan have lost hope from Iran also because Iran is supporting a coward horse like Sajid Naqvi instead of supporting bold Shia scholars of MWM. Iran must understand the ground reality and should support MWM Instead of coward Sajid Naqvi.

How do you know he is getting money from Iran?

Anyhow, I don't think Iran could ever make a difference on Shias of Pakistan in directing them towards any political move. Majority of Pakistani Shias have been involved in secular parties, where the takes of Naqvi or likes of him could never make a difference on their political choice or position. Unlike Saudis or British or the Americans (who have huge political and terrorist movements under their guidance) and who have huge influence within the ISI, the army (who can calculate Pakistani politics in their own favors) Iran is not a player of that sort in Pak.

But, Pakistan as a whole is in a need for some responsible parties to take over. Last 3 decades shown that the puppet Sunni Takfiri Islamists and their lackeys within ISI and the army ruined Pakistan completely, it caused chaos in Afghanistan and damaged Pak's relation with Iran in many areas, and on the hand lost to India politically... while suffering from huge economic problems.

The time for these responsible Pakistani groups come to change their sides... without Shias active presence in ISI and in future government and army the country is nothing and will fall... Shias could save whatever is left...

And I guess ISI or some former ISI folks reached to the conclusion that Shias (a large and very important) segment of Pakistani society could help them out to get out of these crisis... and that targeting Shias from all angles is being done for the only purpose of bringing down the entire Pakistani establishment.
I came across a very interesting clip on Youtube.. Hamid Gul's intereaction with Shia Youths... where some Shias recall past suffereings and etc... but shows 'the need' for Pakistani politics and establishment to link themselves with Shia community, and Shia communities should actively come together to present themselves and make a difference!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bun1BejaQc

Edited by Noah-, 28 June 2012 - 12:43 AM.

[Aabiss_Shakari]

How do you know he is getting money from Iran?

Anyhow, I don't think Iran could ever make a difference on Shias of Pakistan in directing them towards any political move. Majority of Pakistani Shias have been involved in secular parties, where the takes of Naqvi or likes of him could never make a difference on their political choice or position. Unlike Saudis or British or the Americans (who have huge political and terrorist movements under their guidance) and who have huge influence within the ISI, the army (who can calculate Pakistani politics in their own favors) Iran is not a player of that sort in Pak.

But, Pakistan as a whole is in a need for some responsible parties to take over. Last 3 decades shown that the puppet Sunni Takfiri Islamists and their lackeys within ISI and the army ruined Pakistan completely, it caused chaos in Afghanistan and damaged Pak's relation with Iran in many areas, and on the hand lost to India politically... while suffering from huge economic problems.

The time for these responsible Pakistani groups come to change their sides... without Shias active presence in ISI and in future government and army the country is nothing and will fall... Shias could save whatever is left...

And I guess ISI or some former ISI folks reached to the conclusion that Shias (a large and very important) segment of Pakistani society could help them out to get out of these crisis... and that targeting Shias from all angles is being done for the only purpose of bringing down the entire Pakistani establishment.
I came across a very interesting clip on Youtube.. Hamid Gul's intereaction with Shia Youths... where some Shias recall past suffereings and etc... but shows 'the need' for Pakistani politics and establishment to link themselves with Shia community, and Shia communities should actively come together to present themselves and make a difference!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bun1BejaQc

I agree with u about the importance of Shia community in Pakistan. But it is a fact that Iran kept on Funding TNFJ for Shias of Pakistan but TNFJ disappointed the Shias therefore, to fill the gap MWM emerged. Iran should clear its position that TNFJ is abusing its name while there is no support from them to TNFJ.

[Wahdat]

Just like Afghanistan or anywhere else where Shias constitute a minority, the Iranian policy has been to fund those Shia groups that compromise with the mainstream parties (however unjust they maybe) in the hope of establishing cordial ties with the ruling parties. The interest of local communities always becomes secondary. More often those compromising groups are the biggest sellouts within their own communities. We cant blame Iran for its responsible for its own territory and politics. The blame squarely lies within those communities that allow the very existence of those sellouts to further harden their already harsh existence.

[Asr]

Ok i dont Know much about either, but insulting other people with Name calling is uncalled for and reflects badly not just on your own akhlaaq and credibility, but for the Party that you support.

How about we just focus on their policies/activities rather than personal attacks.

Edited by Asr, 04 July 2012 - 09:15 PM.

[Darth Vader]

Back on topic: I think Iran should flex its muscle and clean its Balochistan border region a bit. They should use spies to locate the terrorist camps and rally points near the border then use long range artillery or air-to-ground and take them out. If Pakistan protests then it should be told to suck it up for still carefully nurturing its terrorists and being a faithful dog to the West.

Edited by Abu Dujana, 05 July 2012 - 03:38 AM.

[titumir]

Back on topic: I think Iran should flex its muscle and clean its Balochistan border region a bit. They should use spies to locate the terrorist camps and rally points near the border then use long range artillery or air-to-ground and take them out. If Pakistan protests then it should be told to suck it up for still carefully nurturing its terrorists and being a faithful dog to the West.

And Pakistani shias can help in the intelligence gathering part.

[Darth Vader]

Pakistani Sunnis can help with that much better. Show a Pakistani some money and they'll sell their mother too. They've already sold their souls, the deen, their culture, ways, their honor, their integrity. Those who stand for nothing can fall for anything. Slow indoctrination coupled with degeneration and deterrence at the hands of mullahism and their ignorance is the cause of this. Iran should exploit this as well just like West is doing it. Iran is so active on the side facing Israel. They should not remain completely passive and ignore its backside. That would be extremely unwise.

[alimohamad40]

isnt this hameed ghul the previous intel. minister ? his face is fimiliar ???
and whats his position from the killings by taliban and sipah sahabah ? what was he saying in summury i dont uderstand urdu

salaam

[Darth Vader]

I haven't bothered hearing him. He is a spy and a spy can never be trusted even if retired. He is part of the team responsible for the birth of all the militants which were meant to terrorize and help control both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[alimohamad40]

i knew he was a dagerous person but he seemed like he rebeled against the USA

i wonder what he is saying to these people because if i remember correct he was in support of some militant groups ( but i could be wron i am not sure )

[Kismet110]

I can't see the clip here but if it's the same one I've seen previously he's trying to placate them by saying he wasn't head of ISI at the time they accuse it of selling out and the real 'issue' behind the troubles in the mountainous regions with Shi'ah killings is to do with destabilisation instigated by external forces. Of course this could be totally different clip.

He's trying to talk himself out of trouble with generic BS. This man is lucky the people are Shi'ah otherwise tearing him a new one would have been the order of the day.

ALI

[Asr]

Pakistani Sunnis can help with that much better. Show a Pakistani some money and they'll sell their mother too. They've already sold their souls, the deen, their culture, ways, their honor, their integrity. Those who stand for nothing can fall for anything. Slow indoctrination coupled with degeneration and deterrence at the hands of mullahism and their ignorance is the cause of this. Iran should exploit this as well just like West is doing it. Iran is so active on the side facing Israel. They should not remain completely passive and ignore its backside. That would be extremely unwise.

Generalised rubbish as usual.

[Noah-]

I haven't bothered hearing him. He is a spy and a spy can never be trusted even if retired. He is part of the team responsible for the birth of all the militants which were meant to terrorize and help control both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

A spy? He was the head of spy agency of Pakistan, I don't see any need for him to be any spy for any country...

That is why Shias themselves should be blamed for all the troubles they face..... Who cares what he says about America and his friendship with this and that... these are the ppl who now feel the heat and now realized how they were played against themselves and against their own country and regional interests.. Allow them to work and help them to work... now crying and complaing about everything like it makes your life easy?

Lets see what the current spies and criminals are doing to your country, how they incite sectarian conflicts and destroying the entire region.....every move they make is to please the world of ZioSalafis and for destruction of Pakistan!

[mufeed]

Pakistani Sunnis can help with that much better. Show a Pakistani some money and they'll sell their mother too. They've already sold their souls, the deen, their culture, ways, their honor, their integrity. Those who stand for nothing can fall for anything. Slow indoctrination coupled with degeneration and deterrence at the hands of mullahism and their ignorance is the cause of this. Iran should exploit this as well just like West is doing it. Iran is so active on the side facing Israel. They should not remain completely passive and ignore its backside. That would be extremely unwise.

What this Darth vader, whether he is an israeli or whatever is forgetting that the biggest theif

let the truth be told

is Zardari, who even sold his wife's murder's investigation and his son the head of the party also sold his mother's investigation, (grand-mother Iranian), and Asif _ALI_ Zardari, a shia himself is the biggest crook in pakistan.

It is really foolish to make an issue shia-sunni, and I am just replying the other side.

There are generally uncharismatic clerics and acolytes

who try to enhance popularity by recourse to SECTARIANISM.

Those times have really ended because both bad shias and bad sunnis are selling their mothers for money

or

Good shias and Good sunnis are uniting together in the defense of Islam and Muslims.


The disunity suits enemies of muslims, and foreign agents are now adept in many languages and cultures and aggressively operational over-time on the internet to SUBTLY create schisms and make us disenchanted from each other and deepening the differences when they exist and creating, when they dont exist.



One more thing.

The Afghan Jihad was correct. USSR was known to invade Iran also because it had done so in the past also.

Iran was vulnerable after the revolution. Iran was invaded by Iraq which was the ally of USSR.

This double dealing is not fair to Pakistan and its people to say that Afghan Jihad was a mistake. It was a correct decision at that time. Now USSR is no more. Its Russia without khazar influence. It can be a friend to Pakistan. The yanks are ever more submissively following the khazars so it has taken the role of the USSR.

Iran has never directly faced israel. It has only done by proxy or passively.

Iran also bought weapons from Israel at one time.

We should remember all the facts.