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[Miladiator]

If I'm not mistaken we Muslims believe that all Jews (before Christianity was founded) and all Christians (before Islam was founded) go to heaven. In other words those religion were the correct religion at that time and now Islam is the correct religion. Just the other day however I was thinking, why didn't God simply ensure that he wouldn't need to repeatedly send down a new religion by ensuring that Judaism was a solid religion in the first place.
The reason I didn't post this question before was because I thought I had found the answer. I considered that maybe Allah looked at religion almost in the way an engineer may look at a building or a bridge. It can only survive for so long yet does so much good and as soon as that bridge, building or religion "expires" a new one will arrive. And though that makes sense (to me anyway) I realised just recently that the reason an engineer builds a bridge (even though its use will expire) is because he/she can not prevent the cause of deterioration in the bridge. Allah on the other hand COULD HAVE PREVENTED Jews and Christians from falling astray by foreseeing that he would need to repeatedly send down his message and ensuring that Prophet Moses could be the last Prophet and bring down the message that Prophet Jesus and Prophet Muhammed (pbut) would have brought, saving them the trouble (and I don't mean that in any offensive way, like I say I am a Muslim myself. I'd just like to rid myself of this doubt and strengthen both my knowledge and my belief).

Thanks for reading (and responding)

[Hassan_S]

Salamualaykum

We believe that Islam was the first religion starting with Adam, The Quran refers to Ibrahim a.s as a Muslim as the word "Muslim" refers to an individual who has surrendered to God...Did Jesus, Moses and Noah (pbut) surender to God? Then yes, they were Muslims. We believe that All Prophets were Muslims and not any other religion...

Allah did prevent the followers of Jesus a.s from going astray through speeking of  the  coming of the final messenger (s) in their Gospel, but not everyone was loyal to the word of Jesus which prevented them from following Rasool Allah (s), just like many went astray after the Prophet (s)

Hope I've been helpful InshaAllah

[AliX]

Everyone who submits is a Muslim.  The People of the Book lost their way, and that is why Allah sent down the Quran.

[Gypsy]

The most common reason I have heard is that the messages of those Prophets had no chance to survive at all. The timing was not suitable. They were living in a very ancient time and in a primitive era.

Secondly, Allah swt didn't protect the message of the earlier Prophets from corruptions; perpetrated by the ruling power (political and religious).

The third reason is that the character of the Holy Prophet . He had the opportunity and the chance to achieve more than any other Prophets in the world. His message was preserved in the book, guarantee to last till the end of the time. His life fully document to the diminutive detail. And the members of his family to faithfully carry on his message even when people started corrupting his teaching.

[Miladiator]

Hassan_S, on 25 June 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

Salamualaykum

We believe that Islam was the first religion starting with Adam, The Quran refers to Ibrahim a.s as a Muslim as the word "Muslim" refers to an individual who has surrendered to God...Did Jesus, Moses and Noah (pbut) surender to God? Then yes, they were Muslims. We believe that All Prophets were Muslims and not any other religion...

Allah did prevent the followers of Jesus a.s from going astray through speeking of  the  coming of the final messenger (s) in their Gospel, but not everyone was loyal to the word of Jesus which prevented them from following Rasool Allah (s), just like many went astray after the Prophet (s)

Hope I've been helpful InshaAllah

What you say makes sense. So basically all the previous religions were also Islam yet presumably certain followers went astray and gave the religions of Judaism and Christianity the names they now have. But even still theres something that doesn't quite click for me about all of this. I mean, Allah (swt) knew that Islam would provide the perfect message (when I say Islam I mean Islam since the time of the Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] ) yet still decided to have Prophet Jesus and Prophet Moses (pbut) send his message as well. Surely if the message of the Prophet Muhammed can continue to guide us 1400 years (or so) after its introduction and will continue to guide humanity for as long as we exist then why not just provide Prophet Jesus with the very same message and the very same scripture that Prophet Muhammed was given.
Hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from, maybe I'm thinking into this too much but like I say I consider these questions as obstacles that when overcome, will drive me towards bettering my knowledge as a Muslim.

Once again thanks for reading (and responding)

[Hassan_S]

Miladiator, on 26 June 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

What you say makes sense. So basically all the previous religions were also Islam yet presumably certain followers went astray and gave the religions of Judaism and Christianity the names they now have. But even still theres something that doesn't quite click for me about all of this. I mean, Allah (swt) knew that Islam would provide the perfect message (when I say Islam I mean Islam since the time of the Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] ) yet still decided to have Prophet Jesus and Prophet Moses (pbut) send his message as well. Surely if the message of the Prophet Muhammed can continue to guide us 1400 years (or so) after its introduction and will continue to guide humanity for as long as we exist then why not just provide Prophet Jesus with the very same message and the very same scripture that Prophet Muhammed was given.
Hopefully you can understand where I'm coming from, maybe I'm thinking into this too much but like I say I consider these questions as obstacles that when overcome, will drive me towards bettering my knowledge as a Muslim.

Once again thanks for reading (and responding)

The message of Jesus a.s is the same as Prophet Muhammad (s) and all other Prophets (pbut), but the whole message was completed with the final Messenger as not a lot was expected from other nations such as Adam's nation...If the message was completed through Jesus a.s for example, he would have been the last warner and the Gospel would have been the final guide till judgement day. The message had to go through stages, e.g. Adam's nation, not much was expected from them as society was not as developed then, so the message developed as society developed until it reached its peak at the time of Muhammad (s), thus not requiring a new Messenger but rather guides to protect the message I.e the holy Imams ...Sometimes Allah swt does things for reasons we do not know,

Hop I've been helpful InshaAllah

[Miladiator]

Hassan_S, on 26 June 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

The message of Jesus a.s is the same as Prophet Muhammad (s) and all other Prophets (pbut), but the whole message was completed with the final Messenger as not a lot was expected from other nations such as Adam's nation...If the message was completed through Jesus a.s for example, he would have been the last warner and the Gospel would have been the final guide till judgement day. The message had to go through stages, e.g. Adam's nation, not much was expected from them as society was not as developed then, so the message developed as society developed until it reached its peak at the time of Muhammad (s), thus not requiring a new Messenger but rather guides to protect the message I.e the holy Imams ...Sometimes Allah swt does things for reasons we do not know,

Hop I've been helpful InshaAllah

Once again what you say makes sense but in regard to your point about the development of society having been the cause of new Prophets, obviously I wasn't around 1400 years ago but I think its fair to say society has developed more in the last 1400 years than in the years 0-600 A.C. Nevertheless its a good point you make. In regard to your second point about how there are many things that Allah doesn't teach us, I believe, and don't take offence from what I say, but I believe that's an answer that is GENERALLY given by someone who isn't really interested in an answer, even though an answer may exist. But I guess thats because your faith may be stronger than mine or maybe your knowledge greater than mine, whatever the case thanks for your help. I guess I need to digest what you've said as I'm not sure I'm 100% convinced but I definitely feel closer to finding the answer so once again, thanks for taking your time and answering

[Hassan_S]

Lol no problem brother,

Maybe society had reached a point at that level where the law of God could be established completely, that's not to say offcourse, that society cannot better itself further, but maybe its progression at that point was sufficient for a complete government to be established...When I say the "development" of society, I mean that more was expected from them as time passed by

Offcourse I believe that there are answers out there, but SOME things are hidden from us, like I heard that there are certain reasons for the occultation of the 12th Imam a.s which are hidden to us, but we need to have faith that Allah swt has his reasons, but never the less, when there are answers, we should obtain them...

Allah swt could have established the law completely with the first Prophet, but he chose for it to go through stages, just as one's body goes through stages when they work out..

No problem brother, let me know if my little insignificant knowledge can be of any further assistance

Edited by Hassan_S, 26 June 2012 - 07:58 PM.

[Miladiator]

Your SIGNIFICANT knowledge has definitely helped lol, once again you've made a perfectly good point about how society was developed enough so there was no longer a need for another Prophet, thanks again. And yh, if I have any more questions I'll be sure to ask

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

judaism and christianity are off-shoots of islam.

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

Abu Dujana, on 28 June 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

For the sacred events of Zombie Apocalypse ™ and Hell on Earth, of course.

stop munching on bath salt.

[realizm]

And WAHABISM ?