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[macisaac]

As some of you already know, a project I've been working on lately is to compile/compose a new tafsir in the English language, something I've long felt we stand in need of (so time for me to stop complaining and do something about it..)  Minus some explanatory notes I have put in here and there, it is largely a compilation of some very early tafsirs and hadiths that appertain to the suras/ayat, selected from and compiled together and then translated into English.  I've given it the name of Tafsir at-Tashayyu`

http://www.tashayyu....tafsir/tashayyu

So, the purpose of this thread is twofold.  One to let others know about it who might be interested.  But also to ask for feedback from members.  Specifically, if there are particular ayat and/or suras that you like to have worked on next, put them in this thread (brief explanation of why would be good too).  In the past I've found I work best I find when I know someone wants some particular material for some reason.  It does not have to be a complete sura, an individual verse or set of verses is fine.  The work isn't being done in a particular order, and all of it should be regarded as "in progress", i.e. even if a page has been put up it doesn't mean there might not be more added/changed in the future necessarily, already I see some changes I want to make to the tafsirs of the first suras I started work on, in sha Allah.

For those who would like to know about the sources utilized in it, refer to the sources page for a partial listing http://www.tashayyu....ashayyu/sources (it can kind of give one an idea of the direction I've hoped to take on this as well)

The above feedback would be appreciated, though of course I make no guarantee of when, if, or in what order I'd be able to work on the requested sections, but in sha Allah in good time.

[La fata illa Ali]

Alhamdulillahirabbil 'aalameen


May Allah (aj) increase ur life span, increase u in darajat and inspire u further. Ameen

Edited by La fata illa Ali, 29 May 2012 - 06:12 PM.

[Replicant]

God bless you.

[La fata illa Ali]

Okay folks, pleasentries aside, I have your first request





020.095
YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: "What then is thy case, O Samiri?"
PICKTHAL: (Moses) said: And what hast thou to say, O Samiri?
SHAKIR: He said: What was then your object, O Samiri?
020.096
YUSUFALI: He replied: "I saw what they saw not: so I took a handful (of dust) from the footprint of the Messenger, and threw it (into the calf): thus did my soul suggest to me."
PICKTHAL: He said: I perceived what they perceive not, so I seized a handful from the footsteps of the messenger, and then threw it in. Thus my soul commended to me.
SHAKIR: He said: I saw (Jibreel) what they did not see, so I took a handful (of the dust) from the footsteps of the messenger, then I threw it in the casting; thus did my soul commend to me
020.097
YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: "Get thee gone! but thy (punishment) in this life will be that thou wilt say, 'touch me not'; and moreover (for a future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: Now look at thy god, of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: We will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast in the sea!"
PICKTHAL: (Moses) said: Then go! and lo! in this life it is for thee to say: Touch me not! and lo! there is for thee a tryst thou canst not break. Now look upon thy god of which thou hast remained a votary. Verily we will burn it and will scatter its dust over the sea.
SHAKIR: He said: Begone then, surely for you it will be in this life to say, Touch (me) not; and surely there is a threat for you, which shall not be made to fail to you, and look at your god to whose worship you kept (so long); we will certainly burn it, then we will certainly scatter it a (wide) scattering in the sea.




So who is this messenger? Jibraeel or Moosa ?


Also that part is sura Taha where it says Moosa got scared:



020.066
YUSUFALI: He said, "Nay, throw ye first!" Then behold their ropes and their rods-so it seemed to him on account of their magic - began to be in lively motion!
PICKTHAL: He said: Nay, do ye throw! Then lo! their cords and their staves, by their magic, appeared to him as though they ran.
SHAKIR: He said: Nay! cast down. then lo! their cords and their rods-- it was imaged to him on account of their magic as if they were running.
020.067
YUSUFALI: So Moses conceived in his mind a (sort of) fear.
PICKTHAL: And Moses conceived a fear in his mind.
SHAKIR: So Musa conceived in his mind a fear.
020.068
YUSUFALI: We said: "Fear not! for thou hast indeed the upper hand:
PICKTHAL: We said: Fear not! Lo! thou art the higher.
SHAKIR: We said: Fear not, surely you shall be the uppermost,

Did Moosa really get scared?

[Abdul Qaim]

Yarhamakum Allah, akhee. I have been following your progress on this Tafseer the last few weeks and I am very impressed. May Allah (SWT) grant you strength and tawfeeq for your work in His cause ...

[La fata illa Ali]

I just wanted to ask:


Are u also looking at tafseer as Safi, Burhan and Noor thaqalayn?

I have seen a few entries from majma which is great to see.

[Murtada]

It is an extraordinary work, maashaa'Allah. May Allah (swt) bless all of you involved. This tafsir must be published when you're done, inshaa'Allah!

[Calm]

Ma'joor for the work.

I have a small note though..

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I've given it the name of Tafsir at-Tashayyu`

It should be Tafsir-ul Tashayyu. (Of course the "hatha" tafseerul...is ma7thoof.. but since "hatha" is ism ishara mabni fi ma7ali raf3 mubtada' then "tafseer" is : khabar marfoo3 wa 3alamat raf3ihi althammah althahirah 3alla akhirihi, wa huwa mudhaaf).

[muhibb-ali]

Great work. Keep it coming.

[La fata illa Ali]

Calm, on 29 May 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Ma'joor for the work.

I have a small note though..


It should be Tafsir-ul Tashayyu. (Of course the "hatha" tafseerul...is ma7thoof.. but since "hatha" is ism ishara mabni fi ma7ali raf3 mubtada' then "tafseer" is : khabar marfoo3 wa 3alamat raf3ihi althammah althahirah 3alla akhirihi, wa huwa mudhaaf).

u sound like such a nerd here... just sayin...

[macisaac]

La fata illa Ali, on 29 May 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

I just wanted to ask:


Are u also looking at tafseer as Safi, Burhan and Noor thaqalayn?

I have seen a few entries from majma which is great to see.

Yes, I've looked at the three (they are compilation tafsirs of riwayat from other books themselves), and made especial use of al-Burhan for this as a reference point.  Very useful for finding the relevant hadiths located in different books like al-Kafi, `Uyun al-Akhbar, etc.  I don't cite them though when I have used them since I prefer listing the original source from which they obtained the hadith (e.g. if Burhan is quoting a hadith from Kafi, I'll say it's from Kafi rather than Burhan), plus if the source text and the text in Burhan differ for example, I will generally use the source text's wording instead (only one case when I mentioned it was different in Burhan because I suspect the modern editor of al-Qummi put a little taqiyya wording in the source).

Oh, and just in case before it happens and I have to be rude, I'd request that we keep the thread like it's been so far, that is, suggestions and requests, not further discussion of the tafsir of ayat etc.  That can be done elsewhere, for this thread it'd be more useful we keep the discussion narrow so I can see what's being asked for.  In sha Allah, once a requested tafsir has been put up on the site, I'll provide a link to it here in this thread in response (if a person wants to go further into more extended discussion about it after that, it'd be better to create a new thread for that separate from this one, just to keep this one focused).  

Working on your request la fata (I was pretty such that if anyone would have one, it'd be you..)

[rotten_coconut]

Bro macisaac,

Thank you for your hard work. I pray Allah (swt) will give you strength, health, and knowledge to continue this.
I'd like to ask for the tafsir of surah `Abasa since it's one of the surah which interpretation differs between Shi`i & Sunni

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

Salamalaikum macisaac and others.

The work you are doing is excellent and may Allah azwj reward you for that. I have a few suggestions.

1. Tafsir attributed to zayd ibn ali r.a and tafsir mujtahid attributed to ibn abbas. I think you have your reason of putting them through but I am finding it hard to read it in a flow as I don't pay attention to the ones that are not from aimma a.s .  If u want to keep it you may consider bolding them as non imami or maybe put them at one place together on the same page and then our books seperately . Again I am asking out of ignorance; isn't majma mixture of Sunni shia stuff? If so it can become hard to distinguish in the later stages.
2. Its easy for members who read your updates everyday to observe the changes you make but for the one who previously did not have a complete picture of the tafsir he might struggle finding the changes you made. I know its hard but can there be a different color pattern for the text you add/edit?

My uncle is doing a similar work and it is basically transexigiliteration. I.e., a translation directly with tafsir and the actual ayat transliterated above so as to know which word means what according to masomeen a.s with a reference at the bottom of the page.

This was my suggestion to him however he initially started like you with tafsir of bismillah hir rahman nir raheem and the compilation of ahadees from our books just for that reached more than 70 Ms word pages. I said this is good for people who wants to go in to such depths and the whole quran in such a way would be volumnious so he agreed and wants to do it as a seperate research work after his transexigiliteration is done as he does not like current translations in English and at the same time wants people to know its tafsir from imams a.s without a rigorous exercise.

Again, may Allah azwj give you strength and widen your acceptability criteria.

[diracdeltafunc]

Salamalaikum Macisaac bro, pardoning my ignorance what is the difference between the work that ur doing and the tafseer that can be found on al islam : http://quran.al-islam.org/ ?

[macisaac]

La fata illa Ali, on 29 May 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Okay folks, pleasentries aside, I have your first request





020.095
YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: "What then is thy case, O Samiri?"
PICKTHAL: (Moses) said: And what hast thou to say, O Samiri?
SHAKIR: He said: What was then your object, O Samiri?
020.096
YUSUFALI: He replied: "I saw what they saw not: so I took a handful (of dust) from the footprint of the Messenger, and threw it (into the calf): thus did my soul suggest to me."
PICKTHAL: He said: I perceived what they perceive not, so I seized a handful from the footsteps of the messenger, and then threw it in. Thus my soul commended to me.
SHAKIR: He said: I saw (Jibreel) what they did not see, so I took a handful (of the dust) from the footsteps of the messenger, then I threw it in the casting; thus did my soul commend to me
020.097
YUSUFALI: (Moses) said: "Get thee gone! but thy (punishment) in this life will be that thou wilt say, 'touch me not'; and moreover (for a future penalty) thou hast a promise that will not fail: Now look at thy god, of whom thou hast become a devoted worshipper: We will certainly (melt) it in a blazing fire and scatter it broadcast in the sea!"
PICKTHAL: (Moses) said: Then go! and lo! in this life it is for thee to say: Touch me not! and lo! there is for thee a tryst thou canst not break. Now look upon thy god of which thou hast remained a votary. Verily we will burn it and will scatter its dust over the sea.
SHAKIR: He said: Begone then, surely for you it will be in this life to say, Touch (me) not; and surely there is a threat for you, which shall not be made to fail to you, and look at your god to whose worship you kept (so long); we will certainly burn it, then we will certainly scatter it a (wide) scattering in the sea.

So who is this messenger? Jibraeel or Moosa ?

To give it fuller context, I ended up doing the tafsir for ayat 85-98.

http://www.tashayyu....yyu/ta-ha/85-98

[muhibb-ali]

Salam.

Br. Mecisaac

Can you get the Tafaaseer of the following verse's. Mainly concentrating on the words أَحْسَنَ الْخَالِقِينَ & خَيْرُ الرَّازِقِينَ.
Since these verse indicate that there are other Raziq and Khaliq as well and Allah (swt) is the best of all.

Appreciate your help.

أَتَدْعُونَ بَعْلًا وَتَذَرُونَ أَحْسَنَ الْخَالِقِينَ
"Will ye call upon Baal and forsake the Best of Creators. [37:125]

فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ
So blessed be Allah, the best of Creators! [23:14]


وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَهُوَ خَيْرُ الرَّازِقِينَ
Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision. [22:58]

وَهُوَ خَيْرُ الرَّازِقِينَ
He is the Best of those who give sustenance. [23:72 & 34:39]

وَارْزُقْنَا وَأَنْتَ خَيْرُ الرَّازِقِينَ
And provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer. [5:114]

Edited by muhibb-ali, 31 May 2012 - 11:13 PM.

[Qa'im]

I have an interest in the interpretation of the following:



يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا كُونوا أَنصَارَ اللَّهِ كَمَا قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ لِلْحَوَارِيِّينَ مَنْ أَنصَارِي إِلَى اللَّهِ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ نَحْنُ أَنصَارُ اللَّهِ فَآَمَنَت طَّائِفَةٌ مِّن بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ وَكَفَرَت طَّائِفَةٌ فَأَيَّدْنَا الَّذِينَ آَمَنُوا عَلَى عَدُوِّهِمْ فَأَصْبَحُوا ظَاهِرِينَ

O ye who believe! Be Allah's helpers, even as Jesus son of Mary said unto the disciples: Who are my helpers for Allah? They said: We are Allah's helpers. And a party of the Children of Israel believed, while a party disbelieved. Then We strengthened those who believed against their foe, and they became the uppermost. (61:14)

[Haydar Husayn]

A have a few which would be very useful in debates with a certain group of people, since these verses are so frequently used and abused. I've arranged them by topic, so you can just do a couple at a time (as and when it convenient obviously).


Knowledge of the Book

And (make him) a messenger to the children of Israel: That I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah's permission and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah's permission and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses; most surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers. [3:49]

And those who disbelieve say: You are not a messenger. Say: Allah is sufficient as a witness between me and you and whoever has knowledge of the Book. [13:43]

One who had the knowledge of the Book said: I will bring it to you in the twinkling of an eye. Then when he saw it settled beside him, he said: This is of the grace of my Lord that He may try me whether I am grateful or ungrateful; and whoever is grateful, he is grateful only for his own soul, and whoever is ungrateful, then surely my Lord is Self-sufficient, Honored. [27:40]


Witness over believers

And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people. [2:143]

And say: Work; so Allah will see your work and (so will) His Messenger and the believers; and you shall be brought back to the Knower of the unseen and the seen, then He will inform you of what you did. [9:105]


Prophets praying for others

And We did not send any messenger but that he should be obeyed by Allah's permission; and had they, when they were unjust to themselves, come to you and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had (also) asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Oft-returning (to mercy), Merciful. [4:64]

They said: O our father! ask forgiveness of our faults for us, surely we were sinners. [12:97]

And when it is said to them: Come, the Messenger of Allah will ask forgiveness for you, they turn back their heads and you may see them turning away while they are big with pride. [63:5]



Wasilah

O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah and seek means of nearness to Him and strive hard in His way that you may be successful. [5:35]

Those whom they call upon, themselves seek the means of access to their Lord-- whoever of them is nearest-- and they hope for His mercy and fear His chastisement; surely the chastisement of your Lord is a thing to be cautious of. [17:57]

[Shia_Debater]

[Translations by Ali Quli Qara'i]

Surah 24 Verse 45

Allah created every animal from water. Among them are some that creep upon their bellies, and among them are some that walk on two feet, and among them are some that walk on four. Allah creates whatever He wishes. Indeed Allah has power over all things.

Surah 21 Verse 30

Have the faithless not regarded that the heavens and the earth were interwoven and We unravelled them, and We made every living thing out of water? Will they not then have faith?

Surah 55 Verses 14-15

(14) He created man out of dry clay, like the potter’s, (15) and created the jinn out of a flame of a fire.

Edited by Shia_Debater, 02 June 2012 - 05:55 AM.

[Shia_Debater]

[Translation by Ali Quli Qara'i]

Surah 24 Verse 33

Those who cannot afford marriage should be continent until Allah enriches them out of His grace. As for those who seek an emancipation deal from among your slaves, make such a deal with them if you know any good in them, and give them out of the wealth of Allah which He has given you. Do not compel your female slaves to prostitution when they desire to be chaste, seeking the transitory wares of the life of this world. Should anyone compel them, then after their compulsion Allah is indeed all-forgiving, all-merciful.

Edited by Shia_Debater, 03 June 2012 - 11:28 AM.

[wayfarer.]

May Allah s.w.t reward you abundantly for this noble endeavor.

Could you please provide a tafsir for the verse 35:32, jazakallah khayr.

"Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by Allah's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace."

[macisaac]

rotten_coconut, on 30 May 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

I'd like to ask for the tafsir of surah `Abasa since it's one of the surah which interpretation differs between Shi`i & Sunni

http://www.tashayyu..../tashayyu/abasa

[rotten_coconut]

macisaac, on 06 June 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

http://www.tashayyu..../tashayyu/abasa

Salam,
Thank you very much bro! May Allah (swt) rewards you greatly for your efforts.
Interesting...who frowned (i.e. whether it's the Prophet or someone else) differed between the tafsir. Tafsir Zayd bin `Ali and Majma` al-Bayan indicated that it was the Prophet who frowned.

[macisaac]

rotten_coconut, on 06 June 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

Salam,
Thank you very much bro! May Allah (swt) rewards you greatly for your efforts.
Interesting...who frowned (i.e. whether it's the Prophet or someone else) differed between the tafsir. Tafsir Zayd bin `Ali and Majma` al-Bayan indicated that it was the Prophet who frowned.

It does seem so on the former, but in regards to Majma`, Tabrisi includes both views (as he often does), but by his inclusion of what Sharif Murtada wrote against it as well as the narrations he quotes, one would presume he believed or at least leaned to the more common Shi`i view on the matter.

[rotten_coconut]

macisaac, on 06 June 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

It does seem so on the former, but in regards to Majma`, Tabrisi includes both views (as he often does), but by his inclusion of what Sharif Murtada wrote against it as well as the narrations he quotes, one would presume he believed or at least leaned to the more common Shi`i view on the matter.

- I'm curious, why do you use the Zaydi tafsir in your tafsir?
- I'm not familiar with Arabic, so I'd like to know this: Qira`ah Khallad `an Hamzah reads "fatanfa`uhu" instead of "fatanfa`ahu" in Abasa:4. Is there any difference in meaning due to this difference in reading?