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[Rasul]

Enjoy

[Abbas0]

mashallah i hope he receives whatever he asks for in his life now that hes found the right path!

[Rasul]

Amin!

It is incredible to see someone who was 'idol worshiper' to find theTrue Path

mash'Allah just Amazing!

[wundermonk]

Abbas0, on 23 May 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

mashallah i hope he receives whatever he asks for in his life now that hes found the right path!

Mashaallah indeed. I am currently on the "wrong" path...If I convert to Shia Islam, I will get whatever I ask for in my life?

What if I convert to Sunni Islam...what happens then?

Rasul, on 23 May 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

Amin!

It is incredible to see someone who was 'idol worshiper' to find theTrue Path

mash'Allah just Amazing!

Gee...that's just great...is it not?

Could you define the words idol, worship and idol worship for me?

[Rasul]

If you had 'adab of asking questions'

I would answer to your question.

[Aliaabbas]

wundermonk, on 23 May 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Mashaallah indeed. I am currently on the "wrong" path...If I convert to Shia Islam, I will get whatever I ask for in my life?

What if I convert to Sunni Islam...what happens then?

You will dye your beard orange, wear your trousers too short and you will begin to think everything is shirk.

Gee...that's just great...is it not?

Definately good news - I'm proud of him

Could you define the words idol, worship and idol worship for me?

Worshipping statues etc

[wundermonk]

Aliaabbas, on 23 May 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

wundermonk said:

Mashaallah indeed. I am currently on the "wrong" path...If I convert to Shia Islam, I will get whatever I ask for in my life?

What if I convert to Sunni Islam...what happens then?

You will dye your beard orange, wear your trousers too short and you will begin to think everything is shirk.

Clever, but that does not answer my question and you know in what context I posed that question.

Aliaabbas said:

wundermonk said:

Gee...that's just great...is it not?

Definately good news - I'm proud of him

What has he done and why has his "reversion" to Shia Islam made YOU proud? Do you know the guy personally or something?

Aliaabbas said:

wundermonk said:

Could you define the words idol, worship and idol worship for me?

Worshipping statues etc

I see what you did there. You just replaced idol with the word statue.

Edited by wundermonk, 23 May 2012 - 03:22 PM.

[Shia_Debater]

wundermonk, on 23 May 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Mashaallah indeed. I am currently on the "wrong" path...If I convert to Shia Islam, I will get whatever I ask for in my life?

What if I convert to Sunni Islam...what happens then?

In the video the brother mentioned that his prayers weren't answered before and he suggested that maybe there was a hidden wisdom behind this as in maybe Allah (swt) never answered his prayers so that he would question his beliefs and find the right path

I think Abbas0 didn't mean that if you come to the right path you will get all your prayers answered, I think he meant that insha'Allah now that he found the right path his prayers will be answered (as before when he was on the wrong path they weren't)
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Though of course everyone has their own path and maybe other people do get their prayers answered even if they are following the wrong path and their guidance may be through a different way

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Gee...that's just great...is it not?

Could you define the words idol, worship and idol worship for me?

I think what Rasul meant by idols was a material effigy/effegies that is/are worshipped as god - but it would be best for him to answer since I'm only guessing what I think he meant

Edited by Shia_Debater, 23 May 2012 - 03:30 PM.

[Rasul]

Shia_Debater, on 23 May 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

I think what Rasul meant by idols was a material effigy/effegies that is/are worshipped as god - but it would be best for him to answer since I'm only guessing what I think he meant

Salam''

Exactly

[wundermonk]

Shia_Debater, on 23 May 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

In the video the brother mentioned that his prayers weren't answered before and he suggested that maybe there was a hidden wisdom behind this as in maybe Allah (swt) never answered his prayers so that he would question his beliefs and find the right path

I think Abbas0 didn't mean that if you come to the right path you will get all your prayers answered, I think he meant that insha'Allah now that he found the right path his prayers will be answered (as before when he was on the wrong path they weren't)

Ok, but

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Though of course everyone has their own path and maybe other people do get their prayers answered even if they are following the wrong path and their guidance may be through a different way

In your 2nd quote, are you not making the argument that getting one's prayers answered or not is no indication of the rightness/wrongness of the path? Does it not directly puncture the argument you make in your first quote?

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I think what Rasul meant by idols was a material effigy/effegies that is/are worshipped as god - but it would be best for him to answer since I'm only guessing what I think he meant

If that is your definition, then Hindus are not idol worshippers. For e.g. in fact in today's news, in India, a few guys got together and stole some idols of some Gods from a temple. The worshippers who used to frequent that temple have not become atheists.

[Shia_Debater]

wundermonk, on 23 May 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

In your 2nd quote, are you not making the argument that getting one's prayers answered or not is no indication of the rightness/wrongness of the path? Does it not directly puncture the argument you make in your first quote?

I don't believe getting your prayers answered or not would be an indication of the rightness/wrongness of the path - but the brother in the video maybe does.

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If that is your definition, then Hindus are not idol worshippers. For e.g. in fact in today's news, in India, a few guys got together and stole some idols of some Gods from a temple. The worshippers who used to frequent that temple have not become atheists.

I see - maybe the right definition would be one who believes that a material effigy/effegies is/are worthy of being worshipped

I haven't read the Islamic definition of what would constitute as a Idol Worshipper so my definition could be wrong or could have a bit missing from it.

Edited by Shia_Debater, 23 May 2012 - 03:46 PM.

[Aliaabbas]

wundermonk, on 23 May 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

Clever, but that does not answer my question and you know in what context I posed that question.

This is a Shia site - what do you expect me to say??




What has he done and why has his "reversion" to Shia Islam made YOU proud? Do you know the guy personally or something?[/size][/font][/color]

A new brother for us all, of course I'm proud of him Mashallah




I see what you did there. You just replaced idol with the word statue. As Muslims we dont believe in idol worship

[Rasul]

@ wundermonk

Did you even watch video? He says that he worshiped idols...