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[RiseOrDie]

Use this thread to post any information/specification or pictures of Iranian aircrafts and Iranian air related projects/strategies.

I'll start with the russian exported mig 29 (most popular in the iranian airforce)



Introduced in 1983, the mig 29 is a fourth generation fighter.



The aircraft is not as reliable as claimed, countries are replacing them as fast as they could, due to the cost of maintainance. Apart from Russia and countries bordering russia, this plane has proved to be a logistic nightmare due to 2 engines requiring many spare parts and repairs (also needs lots of love and care).



However the plane is maneuverabe which means its capable of getting the job done.



meanwhile

Iran is working on the shafaq, that will be a sub sonic fourth generation jet fighter


which should be introduced in 2013



aint she pretty?

Edited by RiseOrDie, 19 May 2012 - 03:57 PM.

[Rasul]

Awesome

[baradar_jackson]

Oh boy...

Please, keep your "support" to yourself, fascist.

[RiseOrDie]

This Iranian f-14 tomcat (in 2008) has been improved to increase its range... so that... it can reach Israel



working hard


f 14 with wings fully swept (Sweeping the wing reduces the shock wave drag)


f 14 blue print




straight wings (straight wing for low speed handling)


iranian f 14 pilots line up for duty



ready for take off (in a very old f 14, but hey it work!)

[Ricky-Dee]

Why send a jet to Israel ? when they can send missiles instead ?

I think Iran would much rather protect their own airspace rather then go bomb other countries

[RiseOrDie]

^Indeed

Iran needs all the aircrafts it can use to protect her airspace and the nuclear facilities against superior enemy.

problem is with missiles is that they are not precise, and 4/5 they will miss a target from such long range. Iran to Israel

Iranian generals seem to be more than sure that Iran will need to send aircrafts at one point or another, and so they have prepared

Edited by RiseOrDie, 19 May 2012 - 07:28 PM.

[RiseOrDie]

^ Iranian Air Force Only!

However you may compare other air forces if you wish

(nice music video btw)

regards

[Abu Muslim]

lol

[ShiaBen]

lol

nonchalant response.

[RiseOrDie]

The HESA Azarakhsh (Lightning) is an indigenously manufactured fighter from Iran. The aircraft appears to be based on the Northrop F-5, although larger by 10%-15%. The Azarakhsh is said to use an upgraded version of N-019 Topaz (N-019ME) radar. Several Azarakhsh fighters performed a flyby at the 2008 Military Day in Tehran.

Wiki:
Number built First Generation: 6
2nd Generation: 4
3rd Generation: 1
4th and 5th generation: unknown
preparing for take off (note the massive missile)

in formation

[570]

Any newest news on this Sofreh Mahi?

[RiseOrDie]

^ its under development

it will be an unmaned drone. I saw it at the Iranian military parade

it would make an awesome bomber if they were to make it bigger with a pilot, but i guess that will take far too long to develop hence the reason they will keep it simple

[Rasul]

Wow awesome

[baradar_jackson]

^ Sofreh Mahi is a UAV, dude

And some mod please delete either this thread or RiseOrDie's signature. Non-Muslims will visit this site and assume things.

[shiaaliibrahim]

^Indeed

Iran needs all the aircrafts it can use to protect her airspace and the nuclear facilities against superior enemy.

problem is with missiles is that they are not precise, and 4/5 they will miss a target from such long range. Iran to Israel

Iranian generals seem to be more than sure that Iran will need to send aircrafts at one point or another, and so they have prepared

I do not remember where I read this, but an analyst that writes on Iran frequently said that Iran updated most of their missiles with Russian built GPS guidance systems. He also said that Iran uses fuel air munitions which have a devastating impact on it's targets. His point in the article was that if Israel attacks Iran, Israel and the USA will cease to exist in the region because of the explosives being used, the accuracy and the small size of Israel and US bases as a target.

[hasanhh]

If you follow the techno-trends and recent military experience I think the jet aircraft are only part of any modern Iranian Defense.

And the observation: the Pentagon has forcast that any attack on Iran will result in the lost of the Fleet... yes, the whole fleet, inshallah...but to land on Iranian soil the landing cost will be 1 TTTrillion Dollars.

Therefore, initial and sustained assaults on Iran will be with thousands of drones. (Recently, the press reported plans to have 30,000 drones to patrol the USA.)

Air Defense and AeroSpace Defense plus anti-Satellite are only three components of current defense postures.

Supplement: as in the US Army debates of the past, if the Soviets build tanks, do you build tanks or anti-tank weapons. Similarly, if they build drones, do you build drones or anti-drone systems...jet or prop platformed?

[Ricky-Dee]

Geography is against the Pentagon: U.S. Naval Strength has limits in the Persian Gulf

U.S. naval strength, which includes the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Coast Guard, has primacy over all the other navies and maritime forces in the world. Its deep sea or oceanic capabilities are unparalleled and unmatched by any other naval power. Primacy does not mean invincibility. U.S. naval forces in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf are nonetheless vulnerable.

Despite its might and shear strength, geography literally works against U.S. naval power in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf. The relative narrowness of the Persian Gulf makes it like a channel, at least in a strategic and military context. Figuratively speaking, the aircraft carriers and warships of the U.S. are confined to narrow waters or are closed in within the coastal waters of the Persian Gulf. [See map above]

This is where the Iranian military’s advanced missile capabilities come into play. The Iranian missile and torpedo arsenal would make short work of U.S. naval assets in the waters of the Persian Gulf where U.S. vessels are constricted. This is why the U.S. has been busily erecting a missile shield system in the Persian Gulf amongst the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries in the last few years.

Even the small Iranian patrol boats in the Persian Gulf, which appear pitiable and insignificant against a U.S. aircraft carrier or destroyer, threaten U.S. warships. Looks can be deceiving; these Iranian patrol boats can easily launch a barrage of missiles that could significantly damage and effectively sink large U.S. warships. Iranian small patrol boats are also hardly detectable and hard to target.

Iranian forces could also attack U.S. naval capabilities merely by launching missile attacks from the Iranian mainland on the northern shores of the Persian Gulf. Even in 2008 the Washington Institute for Near East Policy acknowledged the threat from Iran’s mobile coastal missile batteries, anti-ship missiles, and missile-armed small ships. [4] Other Iranian naval assets like aerial drones, hovercraft, mines, diver teams, and mini-submarines could also be used in asymmetrical naval warfare against the U.S. Fifth Fleet.

Even the Pentagon’s own war simulations have shown that a war in the Persian Gulf with Iran would spell disaster for the United States and its military. One key example is the Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC02) war game in the Persian Gulf, which was conducted from July 24, 2002 to August 15, 2002 and took almost two years to prepare. This mammoth drill was amongst the largest and most expensive war games ever held by the Pentagon. Millennium Challenge 2002 was held shortly after the Pentagon had decided that it would continue the momentum of the war in Afghanistan by targeting Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, and finishing off with the big prize of Iran in a broad military campaign to ensure U.S. primacy in the new millennium.

After Millennium Challenge 2002 was finished, the war game was “officially” presented as a simulation of a war against Iraq under the rule of President Saddam Hussein, but in actuality these war games pertained to Iran.[5] The U.S. had already made assessments for the upcoming Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. Moreover, Iraq had no naval capabilities that would merit such large-scale use of the U.S. Navy.

Millennium Challenge 2002 was conducted to simulate a war with Iran, which was codenamed “Red” and referred to an unknown Middle Eastern rogue enemy state in the Persian Gulf. Other than Iran, no other country could meet the perimeters and characteristics of “Red” and its military forces, from the patrol boats to the motorcycle units. The war simulation took place because Washington was planning on attacking Iran soon after invading Iraq in 2003.

The scenario in the 2002 war game started with the U.S., codenamed “Blue,” giving Iran a one-day ultimatum to surrender in the year 2007. The war game’s date of 2007 would chronologically correspond to U.S. plans to attack Iran after the Israeli attack on Lebanon in 2006, which was to extend, according to military plans, into a broader war against Syria. The war against Lebanon, however, did not go as planned and the U.S. and Israel realized that if Hezbollah could challenge them in Lebanon then an expanded war with Syria and Iran would be a disaster.

In Millennium Challenge 2002’s war scenario, Iran would react to U.S. aggression by launching a massive barrage of missiles that would overwhelm the U.S. and destroy sixteen U.S. naval vessels – an aircraft carrier, ten cruisers, and five amphibious ships. It is estimated that if this had happened in real war theatre context, more than 20,000 U.S. servicemen would have been killed in the first day following the attack. [6]

Next, Iran would send its small patrol boats – the ones that look insignificant in comparison to the U.S.S. John C. Stennis and other large U.S. warships – to overwhelm the remainder of the Pentagon’s naval forces in the Persian Gulf, which would result in the damaging and sinking of most of the U.S. Fifth Fleet and the defeat of the United States. After the U.S. defeat, the war games were started over again, but “Red” (Iran) had to operate under the assumption of handicaps and shortcomings, so that U.S. forces would be allowed to emerge victorious from the drill. [7] This outcome of the war games obviated the fact that the U.S. would have been overwhelmed in the context of a real conventional war with Iran in the Persian Gulf.

Hence, the formidable naval power of Washington is handicapped both by geography as well as Iranian military capabilities when it comes to fighting in the Persian Gulf or even in much of the Gulf of Oman. Without open waters, like in the Indian Ocean or the Pacific Ocean, the U.S. will have to fight under significantly reduced response times and, more importantly, will not be able to fight from a stand-off (militarily safe) distance. Thus, entire tool boxes of U.S. naval defensive systems, which were designed for combat in open waters using stand-off ranges, are rendered unpractical in the Persian Gulf.

http://globalresearc...xt=va&aid=28516

the US and its allies are just your standard school yard bully. He might have more muscle and size then you, but give him a blood nose and he will NEVER pick on you EVER again.

[hasanhh]

Rick_James

You post is a little simplistic but does have some truth in it.

To hedge its bets, the US/NATO are building a massive base on Socotra Island, Yemen. Which helps explain why the US has a deliberate, on the ground troop presence in Yemen proper. And despite Yemen being at the top of priorities since 9-11, the US is still there and using assassination drones. This is because they are trying to save the airbase and port facilities on Socotra. Djibouti isn't working out too well. Socrota is well within drone range for African/ Arabian Penninsular attacks.

[shiaaliibrahim]

This is the article I referenced in my earlier post:


5 Minutes To Self-Immolation Of The Israeli Empire

Posted on December 31, 2011

Israel Shahak wrote a foreword to his translation of Oded Yinon’s 1982 paper for the World Zionist Organization which revealed Zion’s plans for America, Israel, the Mideast and the world. Wesley Clark was given a list of 7 Muslim nations 10 days after 911 that America was to invade. That 2001 hit list originated in Israel in 1982. The last nation on that list is Iran.
Today I would hope to prove that if America attacks Iran for Israel, then the Israeli Empire will self-immolate and the America we knew will die. The words 5 Minutes in the title refers to the undeniable fact that it will take Iran 5 Minutes to sink the American Persian Gulf fleet, eviscerate the US Central Command and send America into a Depression so severe that I think it should be called the Greatest Starvation.
The Iranians have hundreds of small boats armed with Russian made anti-ship missiles designed to sink American aircraft carriers. Those would be the N-22 Sunburn (Mach 2.1) and the N-26 Onyx (Mach 3). They also have the Chinese made C-802 which has a 165 kg (364 pound) warhead. They have rocket artillery with ranges of 65, 92 and 130 miles (100, 150 and 210 km). This rocket artillery includes the Zelzal-2 meaning “Earthquake”. It is a 610 mm heavy artillery rocket with a 600 kg (1,323 lb) warhead. The missile is based on the Soviet FROG-7 missile.
Iran has 20 submarines. Their Russian designed torpedoes have a top speed of 360 km/h (223.7 mph).
The Iranians have many other anti-ship missiles that can be launched from small and medium sized boats from the land and from helicopters and jets. See the reference below as they are too numerous to name.
The Iranians recently electronically hijacked an advanced CIA stealth drone proving they are not a primitive nation. Iran has a drone with a 1,000 km range capable of firing 4 missiles.
Perform this thought experiment. Suppose Israel launches 100 jets to attack Iran. What does the American Persian Gulf fleet do? Do they wait for the Iranians to launch ten thousand torpedoes, missiles and rocket artillery shells from more than a thousand locations? Do American fighter pilots scramble their jets and fly in circles waiting for the Israeli jets to show up an hour later? What if Iran issues an ultimatum to the American field commanders that launching their jets would be tantamount to a declaration of war?
In the first 5 Minutes every single ship without exception in the American Persian Gulf fleet will be sinking. In the first 5 Minutes every single base in the US Central Command will have multiple incoming missiles rapidly approaching and spelling doom for NATO troops.
Israel will have 150,000 incoming missiles from Hezbollah, Syria and Iran. Hezbollah has 300 or more M-600 guided missiles with 1,000 pound warheads and is capable of turning Tel Aviv into a parking lot.
As an exercise, you might calculate what will be left of the Israeli population if the 2,000 most industrialized and most populous square miles in Israel were hit by 1,000 thousand pound fuel air explosives and by 1,000 thousand pound conventional bombs. Hint 1: 42% of Israeli Jews live in 528 square miles of metropolitan Tel Aviv. Hint 2: A fuel air explosive has 4 times the impact of a conventional bomb. Fires and explosives require oxygen. A fuel air explosive burns up all the oxygen in the atmosphere in a radius of half a mile or more so it has more room for explosives.
Might I take this opportunity to point out what the only adult running for President of the United States has said:
The only thing Iran does not have is a plan to make a nuclear bomb.
I would like to make a suggestion:
I believe Iran has an advanced High Powered Microwave Electromagnetic Pulse (HPM EMP) defense system under construction. Israel does not want to attack Iran during winter cloud cover so the Iranians have a few months to prepare a welcome for those Israeli and American jets. I would suggest the Iranians reveal their top secret HPM EMP device either from Syria or Iran by disabling an American ship or a few jets or maybe both. This might be sufficient reason even for a fanatical Israeli to call off World War III. And why proceed with an attack that would be doomed to failure from EMP weapons?
Please consider that Iran is an ally of China and Russia through the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in which they have Observer status. The Iranians made secret alliances with the Pakistani military after the US killed those 24 Pakistani soldiers on November 26th. Pakistan has lots of Hydrogen bombs. Of more immediate concern is that Russian carrier task force in Syria. What plan does Washington have to avoid escalating a missile exchange between Syria and Israel and Russia into a thermonuclear war.
What would Obama, Geithner, Bernanke and Mario Draghi at the European Central bank do if China began selling hundreds of billions of dollars in Treasury bonds while simultaneously buying gold, oil, silver, food and other commodities? The Chinese press could taunt Americans saying that they had their chance to wean themselves away from importing 70% of their oil. Now they can pay $500 a barrel for oil. Americans could scurry around to earn $5,000 to buy an ounce of gold to buy anything from overseas.
What exactly is the Goldman Sachs plan for recovery after America reaches hyperinflation and 30% unemployment? Hint 3: All of those men named above are Goldman Sachs employees. Not one of them had a plan for recovery of the economy before 30% unemployment so I can guarantee you they will have none after you have direct personal experience with hyperinflation.
I suppose I should point out that 40% of all oil tanker traffic goes through the Strait of Hormuz. All Iran has to do is to threaten to sink all oil tankers going through the Strait to force London insurers to shut down oil traffic out of the Gulf and drive oil to %350 a barrel. Iran might elect to use an EMP weapon to disable an oil tanker in the Strait of Hormuz as opposed to mines or rocket artillery. The EMP device is more selective in its usage. And using it would reveal the sheer folly of an attack on Iran. This assumes the US and NATO use stepped up sanctions to attack Iran economically.
A Navy JAG officer (lawyer) recently said their offices were inundated with calls from flag officers who wanted a legal basis to refuse an order to attack Iran and to refuse to arrest American civilians without trial and render them to foreign prisons for torture. The JAG officers are thinking that they should apply the Geneva Convention to American civilians and defend them in military court. The JAG officer also said that military officers do not want to arrest Americans without trial because they would be turned into a sieve meaning Americans have at least 300 million guns and 10 billion bullets.
I suppose this is where I explain Oded Yinon and the Zionists really believe Israel has the right to all the land from the Nile to the Euphrates river in Iraq. They believe they have the right to destroy every Muslim nation that would say No to Zionist insanity. Why should America suffer self-immolation because Israel thinks national suicide just like at Masada is a wonderful idea?
If we do not decisively say No to Israel and to Zionism very soon, we will all be doomed to what we deserve.

[Mashadi86]

Not sure if this is the correct venue but I have quite an interesting article on overcoming stealth capabilities in the now defunct F117A nighthawk and the operational F22.

http://www.ausairpow...sition-GCI.html
http://cns.miis.edu/...us/s300tdms.htm
http://www.missileth...stem_detail.asp - S-300P (SA-10 Grumble)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/99131107 - S-300 System Export Form Russia (PDF from israeli military forum on the S-300 system & acquisition of stealth targets)

Can't find the article on the F-22 and its vulnerabilities vs. equivalent russian suhkoi.

[Abu 3antar]

Drones and AA should be the way to go, but as you stated of course jets are going to have to be used at some point or another.

[Darth Vader]

(note the massive missile)

Thats a disposable fuel tank for extra range. That pod under the fuselage of the plane can, however, carry a large payload like a nuclear bomb or a massive air-to-ground bomb.

Anyway, Iran should get some JF-17s from Pakistan (or China).



Its a decent fighter.