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[Ibrahim786]

I have been wondering what is the view on this forum of the situation in Syria.

There have been so many disturbing videos on youtube and it seems that these syrian militan men and soldiers are so brutal and heartless. Videos of a man being buried alive, men and boys being beaten to a bloody pullp, men being whipped and holes being drilled into them, men and women being burned to death aswell sunni families being rounded up and beaten. Rounding up school kids to torture them and raping women, An alawite woman confessed that for money she help kindap girls to send to her boss to be raped?

what the hell?? how heartless are these people? the soldiers and militiamen in all these videos show no remorse and seem to sadistically enjoy inflicting such horrible pain. They even force some of these poor people to bow down to pictures of assad and recite his name in the kalimah (astaghfirullah).

To make things worse - there is clearly a sectarian theme in these killings. Its the alawites and some christians killing sunnis. Not that this should matter as a human is a human - wallahi if the stuff that I have seen was done to animals I would get upset let alone a human irrespective of their religion.


As a sunni I condemn the sectarian killings in Pakistan, Saudi, Bahrain, Egypt and across the whole world. I hope the Americans or Israelis use drone attacks to target syrian tanks and troops to stop the killings. The arab league are impotent.

[Kismet110]

Are you sure you have all the pertinent facts? Because the govt is run by an Alawite so why would his co-religionists be behind the troubles? Unless you mean the anti-rebel (so pro-govt people) are doing the killing?

Either way, oppression is bad, goes against the teachings of Holy Prophet (saww) and the Holy Imams .

I know little about the true drivers of the 'uprising' but wouldn't be surprised if it were external agencies; Syria is a strategically important country and efforts to destabilise it (on the back of the so-called 'Arab Spring' uprisings) seem to be afoot.

ALI

[Ibrahim786]

Yes I mean the pro government alawite forces are doing the killings and torture of sunnis mainly. You only need to youtube these videos. I am in the UK not in Syria so I will not know all the pertinent facts

[Kismet110]

^^^

I think your assessment is a little lop-sided, no? The initial uprising was by 'sunnis' (more likely extremists really) and the counter is by pro-govt forces (Alawite or otherwise)? I've also heard or read about rebels killing Shi'ah so it cuts both ways but in any case it's NOT good.

ALI

[Ibrahim786]

Kismet110, on 14 May 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

^^^

I think your assessment is a little lop-sided, no? The initial uprising was by 'sunnis' (more likely extremists really) and the counter is by pro-govt forces (Alawite or otherwise)? I've also heard or read about rebels killing Shi'ah so it cuts both ways but in any case it's NOT good.

ALI

just youtube syrian torture and you will see who is doing all the killings and torture. the sunnis and others just wanted freedom from this barbaric regime kinda like in bahrain. whats wrong with them demonstrating and uprising against this brutal regime? I have not seen any videos on youtube of them killing shias (albeit i dont know arabic). i think i am not the one who is lop-sided here

[AR2011]

i dont think there is a "shia" view on this. in the sense that lots of ppl have different views.

[Qa'im]

Everyone has their own political opinion. Some Shi`a groups like Hezbollah and the Iranian government have sided with Assad, though many individuals are not with him. I am a Syrian Shi`i Muslim and I am against Bashar al-Assad.

[Kismet110]

Ibrahim786, on 14 May 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

just youtube syrian torture and you will see who is doing all the killings and torture. the sunnis and others just wanted freedom from this barbaric regime kinda like in bahrain. whats wrong with them demonstrating and uprising against this brutal regime? I have not seen any videos on youtube of them killing shias (albeit i dont know arabic). i think i am not the one who is lop-sided here

I think you misunderstood? Whoever wants the freedom also has weapons and has killed people to try to gain it? Whether they've tortured or hurt innocent people I don't know but have heard or read this has occurred.

Like I said though, oppression is NOT something any Shi'ah can condone and if the leader happens to be Alawite it makes no difference. Wrong is wrong and the situation there is tragic as lives are being lost.

ALI

[Ibrahim786]

Kismet110, on 15 May 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

I think you misunderstood? Whoever wants the freedom also has weapons and has killed people to try to gain it? Whether they've tortured or hurt innocent people I don't know but have heard or read this has occurred.

Like I said though, oppression is NOT something any Shi'ah can condone and if the leader happens to be Alawite it makes no difference. Wrong is wrong and the situation there is tragic as lives are being lost.

ALI

A minority of the demonstrators are arrmed i.e the Free Syrian Army and appear to be ex soldiers, most demonstrators are just normal citizens like you and I. The brutality of this regime I think in my opinion has out weighed the other muslim regimes and an other regime that I can think of. I have never been so appalled by the constant youtube videos that I have seen of the attrocities. Bashar Kalbi sure fooled me with his charisma !!!!!!.

may Allah swt grant the duas of the demonstrators. ameen.

[RiseOrDie]

Obviously both sides are wrong, and obviously you are only seeing one side of the story.

Dont you think its strange how youtube allows such videos to stay online?

Bashar Al Assad and his Government are not good since they chose a system other than that of Islam, but they are the lesser of two evils since they reject zionism (still doesnt make them right)

The Anti Assad rebels on the other hand are even worse, they shoot/suicide bomb their own people just to gain international attention. They work hand in hand with CIA/MOSSAD and Al qaeda.

I have seen a video, of a captured syrian by the rebels who is claimed to be a Shabiha (Allah knows if its true). He is beaten on the ground, and then his clothes are stripped off until he was lying on the ground completely naked while 10 men stand over him shouting 'AllahuAkbar'. He was then stabbed until he died, and he was thrown in the back of a pick up truck.

How Islamic is that?

We see such cruel videos on both sides, dont allow your emotions to get the best of you especially after you watch such videos, your heart will be filled with anger, and at that time you will not use logic to understand the true situation.

buttomline, dont take sides neither with al assad or the free syrian army.

eventually they will both perish, until only the rightous remain.

Remember, Allah (swt) is just and fair

Edited by RiseOrDie, 17 May 2012 - 01:37 PM.

[musab]

the greatest mistake iran ever made was too back assad against the muslims
in years to come historians will show this was the start of the iranian regime
falling itself they are their own worst enemy.

[RiseOrDie]

musab, on 18 May 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

the greatest mistake iran ever made was too back assad against the muslims
in years to come historians will show this was the start of the iranian regime
falling itself they are their own worst enemy.

hmmm is it a greater mistake than the Saudi conspiring with the US against Islam?
or
Turkey regime joining NATO?
or
Jordan regime guaranteeing Israeli independence?
or
Egypt regime recognising Israel as a sovereign state?

For this we don’t need to wait for the future, because the present speaks for itself.

Edited by RiseOrDie, 18 May 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[fightingsoul001]

In cities where fighting is going on people are in mixed feelings but in most syrian cities where nothing is happening most people are pro assad.
There are mass pro assad gatherings taking place in cities. How can people be against him then.


Watch this youtube channel. It has all the data.
http://www.youtube.c...lysWorld/videos

[Ibrahim786]

Im sorry to say but alot of these videos are quite old and the massacres and torture has got alot worse. Yes there are many people i.e. mainly christians and alawites who support him vehemently. But to actually propogate that most people support him is false - its very easy to demonstrate in favour of a tyrant but its very diffcult to demonstrate against him. So many people have demostrated against Assad but how many more people are against him but will not protest due to fear??

But even then - just because he may have large support does not mean its right?/ he is still a tyrant and the people who "suppport" him - well..... it says alot about them !!!!

[south-lebanon]

Ibrahim786, on 22 May 2012 - 05:00 AM, said:

Im sorry to say but alot of these videos are quite old and the massacres and torture has got alot worse. Yes there are many people i.e. mainly christians and alawites who support him vehemently. But to actually propogate that most people support him is false - its very easy to demonstrate in favour of a tyrant but its very diffcult to demonstrate against him. So many people have demostrated against Assad but how many more people are against him but will not protest due to fear??

But even then - just because he may have large support does not mean its right?/ he is still a tyrant and the people who "suppport" him - well..... it says alot about them !!!!

i would be wary about an movement that is supported by Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Europe and the US.. and on the flip side, a regime that is supported by Iran and Hezbollah, Russia. it shouldn't be hard to put the pieces together, its common sense isn't it. I give you a clue, the keyword is ISRAEL.

[fightingsoul001]

Ibrahim786, on 22 May 2012 - 05:00 AM, said:

Im sorry to say but alot of these videos are quite old and the massacres and torture has got alot worse. Yes there are many people i.e. mainly christians and alawites who support him vehemently. But to actually propogate that most people support him is false - its very easy to demonstrate in favour of a tyrant but its very diffcult to demonstrate against him. So many people have demostrated against Assad but how many more people are against him but will not protest due to fear??

But even then - just because he may have large support does not mean its right?/ he is still a tyrant and the people who "suppport" him - well..... it says alot about them !!!!

Just get out of your jealous attitude and look at international politics without taking into consideration sunni or shia factor.

[Ibrahim786]

south-lebanon, on 22 May 2012 - 05:33 AM, said:

i would be wary about an movement that is supported by Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Europe and the US.. and on the flip side, a regime that is supported by Iran and Hezbollah, Russia. it shouldn't be hard to put the pieces together, its common sense isn't it. I give you a clue, the keyword is ISRAEL.

I can see what you are saying - but the way assad has been killing and torturing his own people I have never seen such disgusting videos on youtube and never seen such barbarism in my lifetime. For crying out loud - they bury a guy alive they mock the salah and beat amd torture whom they capture -Im sorry but international politics become seconday when such killing is taking place.

fightingsoul001, on 22 May 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Just get out of your jealous attitude and look at international politics without taking into consideration sunni or shia factor.

Im sorry bro but I am not jealoused (not sure what you mean !!!!) nor am I looking at this in a sectarian light - after all I support the shia protesters who want freedom in Saudi and Bahrain. If anyone is sectarian here its my shia brothers and sisters who support a brutal, heartless killing machine just because he is alawite and because of some conspiracy in terms of international politics which you is hearsay and you have no proof. Whereas the killing is happening infront of your eyes and yet you show no humanity because its all about keeping iran and hizbullah strong. I am sorry you are the one who is sectarian. A tyrant is a tyrant and hence unislamic be it Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi or Hosni Mobarak irrespective of their sect or international politics. A life is a life and is sacred irrespective of their religion or who they are.

I would rather be living in Gaza right now than be in Homs. Its about time some military action was taken to protect the civilians

[fightingsoul001]

Ibrahim786, on 22 May 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

I can see what you are saying - but the way assad has been killing and torturing his own people I have never seen such disgusting videos on youtube and never seen such barbarism in my lifetime. For crying out loud - they bury a guy alive they mock the salah and beat amd torture whom they capture -Im sorry but international politics become seconday when such killing is taking place.




Im sorry bro but I am not jealoused (not sure what you mean !!!!) nor am I looking at this in a sectarian light - after all I support the shia protesters who want freedom in Saudi and Bahrain. If anyone is sectarian here its my shia brothers and sisters who support a brutal, heartless killing machine just because he is alawite and because of some conspiracy in terms of international politics which you is hearsay and you have no proof. Whereas the killing is happening infront of your eyes and yet you show no humanity because its all about keeping iran and hizbullah strong. I am sorry you are the one who is sectarian. A tyrant is a tyrant and hence unislamic be it Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi or Hosni Mobarak irrespective of their sect or international politics. A life is a life and is sacred irrespective of their religion or who they are.

I would rather be living in Gaza right now than be in Homs. Its about time some military action was taken to protect the civilians

What are we suppose to believe then. There is no leadership in opposition which represent their one view, currently only Saudi Arab, Qatar, and US is representing them. The day Assad regime step down there will be lot more blood shed then it is happening now.


I have strong feelings for innocent civilians that are oppressed, who ever side they may be. Assad means nothing to any Muslim but he represent some people, opposition on other hand don't have any leadership and they are just involve in fighting. Do you know who your leadership is and what are they going to offer to you and how?

Edited by fightingsoul001, 22 May 2012 - 09:41 AM.

[south-lebanon]

Ibrahim786, on 22 May 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

I can see what you are saying - but the way assad has been killing and torturing his own people I have never seen such disgusting videos on youtube and never seen such barbarism in my lifetime. For crying out loud - they bury a guy alive they mock the salah and beat amd torture whom they capture -Im sorry but international politics become seconday when such killing is taking place.




Im sorry bro but I am not jealoused (not sure what you mean !!!!) nor am I looking at this in a sectarian light - after all I support the shia protesters who want freedom in Saudi and Bahrain. If anyone is sectarian here its my shia brothers and sisters who support a brutal, heartless killing machine just because he is alawite and because of some conspiracy in terms of international politics which you is hearsay and you have no proof. Whereas the killing is happening infront of your eyes and yet you show no humanity because its all about keeping iran and hizbullah strong. I am sorry you are the one who is sectarian. A tyrant is a tyrant and hence unislamic be it Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi or Hosni Mobarak irrespective of their sect or international politics. A life is a life and is sacred irrespective of their religion or who they are.

I would rather be living in Gaza right now than be in Homs. Its about time some military action was taken to protect the civilians

Most of Syria is safe, so don't believe the lies that the whole country is in turmoil, (Syria is 23million of coarse) the problem for you it looks like you are only watching propaganda from, anti regime sources either be it arab or western but are all in with the same zionist axis.

Now for the areas that are unsafe the civilians do want military action to be conducted  by the Syrian army because there is armed terrorist taking over the neighborhoods and causing havoc.

Im surprised you are unaware that they burying video is an exposed fake...(google,  syria fake burial video)

there is littrally hundreds of videos exposing false propaganda in Syria, you should at least have the capacity to look at these objectivly.

Keep in mind Bashar is not anti-sunni, never has been, his wife is sunni and he is supported by most the population, which is sunni, im not saying everything has always been fine, but when you have enemies like Israel,US and Saudi Arabia, countries who thrieve on disunity between muslims then things in your country will not always be perfect, because the alternative is 1000 times worse.



    

[Ibrahim786]

south-lebanon, on 22 May 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

Most of Syria is safe, so don't believe the lies that the whole country is in turmoil, (Syria is 23million of coarse) the problem for you it looks like you are only watching propaganda from, anti regime sources either be it arab or western but are all in with the same zionist axis.

Now for the areas that are unsafe the civilians do want military action to be conducted  by the Syrian army because there is armed terrorist taking over the neighborhoods and causing havoc.

Im surprised you are unaware that they burying video is an exposed fake...(google,  syria fake burial video)

there is littrally hundreds of videos exposing false propaganda in Syria, you should at least have the capacity to look at these objectivly.

Keep in mind Bashar is not anti-sunni, never has been, his wife is sunni and he is supported by most the population, which is sunni, im not saying everything has always been fine, but when you have enemies like Israel,US and Saudi Arabia, countries who thrieve on disunity between muslims then things in your country will not always be perfect, because the alternative is 1000 times worse.

I am unaware of any fake videos - how can burying someone alive be fake??? In terms of your videos they look strange to say the least - are you sure you are not misunderstanding them especially the bottom one - it just looks like a joke rather than attempt to fake a video.

i am not saying that bashar assad is anti sunni - I despise him because of the killings and torture which cannot be justified under the pretext of international politics. If he is so anti israel - why not retake Golan Heights??

I am against mass killing be it in Homs or in Bahrain, be it on shia or sunni, be it by sunni or shia. Assad need to pay for his crimes - end of story.

[one2look4]

A agree with south-lebanoon

All it takes to desablise a country is for 50 pll supported by money and weapons. And also the currupt media from al jazeera and cnn

[Ibrahim786]

one2look4, on 23 May 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

A agree with south-lebanoon

All it takes to desablise a country is for 50 pll supported by money and weapons. And also the currupt media from al jazeera and cnn

im sorry mate but just because iran and hizbullah support assad does not justify all that killing - where is your humanity?

i am sure you have a different opinion on the bahrain and eastern part of saudi arabia where the shias are protesting.

[south-lebanon]

Ibrahim786, on 23 May 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

I am unaware of any fake videos - how can burying someone alive be fake??? In terms of your videos they look strange to say the least - are you sure you are not misunderstanding them especially the bottom one - it just looks like a joke rather than attempt to fake a video.

i am not saying that bashar assad is anti sunni - I despise him because of the killings and torture which cannot be justified under the pretext of international politics. If he is so anti israel - why not retake Golan Heights??

I am against mass killing be it in Homs or in Bahrain, be it on shia or sunni, be it by sunni or shia. Assad need to pay for his crimes - end of story.

I showed you 3 videos that are undoubtedly show false propaganda against the regime

the 1st showed a mother that had her son killed by gunman after the Syrian military had withdrawn from her neighborhood, then the boy was taken by unknown people saying they were taking him to a hospital, then the child appears on a front story on aljazeera news which featured the boys lifeless body on display in an anti syrian-regime propaganda video claiming" assads thugs did it" then the body was returned to her....There is no way a woman will give up the justice of her child for the Sake of protecting the government.

2nd video showed a group of youths rehearsing a fake scene that they were involved in a massacre

3rd video is of the one time Darling of this so-called Syrian revolution, now he has disappeared into oblivion because he was exposed severely as a liar.. just type Danny, Syria ,liar to see his lies exposed on youtube.

4th video although you'v concluded its just a group of a group guys having a laugh, it should at least give you the impression of how easy it is to lie and create a false propaganda video. weather they intended to turn this into a false propaganda video or not.

The reason why Assad hasn't gone to war with Israel is probably because his army will get crushed, Syria has had 2 wars with Israel in the last 45 years and had numerous other skirmishes, the Israeli army is much more powerful because it receives the newest stuff from the US , however in the last few years the US has started to demise militarily which makes Israel more vulnerable, since Israel is only as strong as what the US gives it, which brings the nessecity for Israel to bring down its enemies  that pose the greatest threat to its existence.

The US and Saudi Arabia don't care about democracy or human rights, they are actually supporting the upheaval in Syria to create even more authoritarianism, they just want to safeguard Israel which safeguards their intrests

[Blissful]

I won't completely side with Assad, like most Lebanese Shii's would. What is happening from both sides is absolutely wrong. Don't take sides with anything and use your common sense.

Bottom line is, the abc's of war and political troubles in the Middle East begin with America and Israel. They're the catalysts of the corruption taking place in Syria and although I condemn what CIA/MOSSAD are doing, it doesn't mean the issue is black and white here. In the end, Allah knows; because truth is such a rare thing and doesn't always win. It's up to us to use our common sense and knowledge with the matter and judge for ourselves instead of speaking within a Shia, Sunni or Alawi voice.

Edited by Blissful, 24 May 2012 - 08:43 AM.

[Qa'im]

Well, I guess my family members that were killed or detained by Bashar are "faking it" too.

Edited by Qa'im, 24 May 2012 - 10:14 AM.