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[Ismahan007]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 04:19 AM, said:

i will curse khomeini in the same breath that i curse yazeed, hitler, stalin, pol pot and the rest of them. they are equal.

May Allah guide you brother, I don't know everything about Aya Khumaini but I know he was a shia who also believed in tabara. In his book 'Al-waseya Al-seyasiya', he stated in there that 'the enemies of Ahlulbayt should be exposed and lana'h should be sent upon them' something down those lines. you are doing a grave mistake by cursing him, you should repent man!

[Ugly Jinn]

MysticKnight, on 12 May 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Imam Khomeini may have done some things wrong, and really wrong, but he was sincere in his intentions and one of the most sincerest people to his principles and beliefs, and was a good man and cared about his people.  He was too harsh towards his enemies, but never the less, a person full of love and compassion towards people. The man loved God and was sincere to Him. He sought to bring people to what he believed was the righteous path and higher path. He tried to make people into people full of love of God and sincere service to him.  He sought to show a way of dignity for the oppressed and shackled people.

I never have and probably never will understand the hatred people have for this man.

If you notice your post, you'll notice a major contradiction "Imam Khomeini may have done some things wrong, and really wrong" and then "was a good man and cared about his people". The problem is that he only cared for those that agreed with him, those that didn't faced consequences, many mass executions took place.

No one has records of how many died, no Islamic/gov trials, and no logs of what exactly they did, no media coverage - we only see the reality in disturbing pictures and from victim's families. Basically, by default they are all considered deviant horrible people - typical verdict.

This doesn't include those whose lives changed for the worse. People lost businesses, lost their freedom, lost properties, etc., many had to leave the country for the first time out of fear. Again, by default they will be considered Shah lovers, munafiqs, anti-Islamic deviants, puppets of the West, etc. - typical verdict.

Sincere intentions doesn't justify a person's actions. It has become a norm in human history to justify mass executions, whether for religious reasons or political. In this case, certain people will stamp the name of Islam on a political system and justify what happened. These acts are so called 'cleansing of society', it's basically killing/removing those that don't meet the leader's personal requirement, many leaders have done this in the past from Hitler to current African warlords.

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 12 May 2012 - 06:17 PM.

[MysticKnight]

Ugly Jinn, on 12 May 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

If you notice your post, you'll notice a major contradiction "Imam Khomeini may have done some things wrong, and really wrong" and then "was a good man and cared about his people".

It's not a major contradiction. His sins doesn't negate his virtues and good actions. His mistakes doesn't negate his intentions which can be seen to have utmost sincerity in serving the cause of God.

The man no matter where you stand deserves to be honored, and not disgraced.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

why cant you people see that i am not talking about azadari, YOU ARE. i am not talking about pakistan. YOU ARE. i am not talking about ghullat neliefs, YOU ARE. i am not talking about off topic things, YOU ARE.

ya rabb! open their eyes!

he was just a man, and he screwed up. better khomeini followers than any of you have tried and always failed in the face of the evidence.

the mass murder happened, this is a fact.
the slaughter of innocent and guilty alike happened on his direct order and sustained encouragement. this is a fact.
dogs of humanity like the hanging ayatollah were let loose of their leashes, this is a fact.

my conscience is clear, as a lover of hussain i cannot love or respect the smallest of opressors.

can any of you say the same as me? or is there a silent doubt in the back of your mind, which you are trying to supress because you have been raised to worship and afore and idolise khomeini your entire lives?

do you realise how similar you are to sunni, who cannot break their love of sahaba?

[A true Sunni]

Kaniz e Zahra, on 12 May 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

new discovey which nusehri we r accepting..we don't recognize nusehris as part of Islam,let alone Shi'ism

Do you think that a Nussairi joins your ranks and declares himself a Nussairi. Rather he undermines you from inside. He introduces nussairi concepts to you. Because Malangs never condems each other so these beliefs incorporate themselves into your belief structure

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

why cant you people see that i am not talking about azadari, YOU ARE. i am not talking about pakistan. YOU ARE. i am not talking about ghullat neliefs, YOU ARE. i am not talking about off topic things, YOU ARE.

ya rabb! open their eyes!

he was just a man, and he screwed up. better khomeini followers than any of you have tried and always failed in the face of the evidence.

the mass murder happened, this is a fact.
the slaughter of innocent and guilty alike happened on his direct order and sustained encouragement. this is a fact.
dogs of humanity like the hanging ayatollah were let loose of their leashes, this is a fact.

my conscience is clear, as a lover of hussain i cannot love or respect the smallest of opressors.

can any of you say the same as me? or is there a silent doubt in the back of your mind, which you are trying to supress because you have been raised to worship and afore and idolise khomeini your entire lives?

do you realise how similar you are to sunni, who cannot break their love of sahaba?

As I said hatred caused by erosion of power. Major issue with 'old shia families' of Indo Pak. Sad very Sad. But even the best families can be subverted by over attachment to power

Aly ReZa, on 12 May 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

taraweeh Listen over here lanat on the nusayris
No one accept them Allah s,w,t is only one.
No1 can compete with him s.w.t

And if i regard as bro to  MDM why it bugs you?
If defending my belief and someone who is Fighting for my belief is called the nasibi
Then YES I AM NASIBI got it?

MDM can you plz post some thread link here?


MDM plz justify your claims

It doesnt bug me at all . I said to you right from the beginning I have a very realistic view of you malangs and very low expectations of you. Infact you are true to form. You are shocked horrified that a fellow malang should spout such hatred and bile and you are desperate to give him the benefit of the doubt. Thats how Nasibis win by other people giving them the benefit of the doubt. So as I was asking you if you befriend shield and support a Nasibi does it make you a Nasibi.  

Simple yes or no will do

[Maula Dha Mallang]

A true Sunni, on 12 May 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

As I said hatred caused by erosion of power. Major issue with 'old shia families' of Indo Pak. Sad very Sad. But even the best families can be subverted by over attachment to power

again. sunni. stop making (or trying to make) jibes against my family. just because you never met your real father, this does not mean you need to bring it up in every topic in every thread how much you are jealous of people who know their history while you have none.

this has nothing to do with my family history, nor your lack of it.

stay on topic sunni, i wont let you derail this thread simply because you cannot talk about things you have no idea about. have you ever considered not posting, if you have nothing of value to contribute other than "tatbir tatbir ghulat akhbari tatbir blood tatbir"?

[shiasoldier786]

When Imam Khomeini returned from Paris, 6 million came out to greet him. When he passed away, 15 million people came out for his funeral, one of the largest gatherings of all times. Surely, if he was a mass murderer who killed civilians without a second thought, the Iranian people would hate him. But looking at his funeral, they don't. So the only place that the mass murder took place, was in MDMs imaginary world.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

sunni if i am a nasibi then may bibi paak sayyeda tahira (sa) destroy me.

if you are wrong and accuse me falsely, may she destroy you.

shiasoldier do numbers matter in matters of truth and falsehood? if they do....why arent you a sunni? all the muslims but a few supported abu bakr

[Muhammed Ali]

MysticKnight, on 12 May 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

The man loved God and was sincere to Him. He sought to bring people to what he believed was the righteous path and higher path. He tried to make people into people full of love of God and sincere service to him.  He sought to show a way of dignity for the oppressed and shackled people.

He is a man who deserves the title 'Ayatullah'. Imagine that you were an agnostic or a deist and you had no reason to believe that the Quran or the ahadith/history were reliable; the character of Ayatullah Khomeini would make you question if there is some truth behind Islam.

MysticKnight I am talking in general terms, i don't mean you in particular.

Edited by Muhammed Ali, 12 May 2012 - 07:17 PM.

[shiasoldier786]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

sunni if i am a nasibi then may bibi paak sayyeda tahira (sa) destroy me.

if you are wrong and accuse me falsely, may she destroy you.

shiasoldier do numbers matter in matters of truth and falsehood? if they do....why arent you a sunni? all the muslims but a few supported abu bakr

You are comparing two completely separate issues. Its not just about numbers, its also about the context you look at them in. Why would millions upon millions of people come out for Imam Khomeinis funeral if just a few years earlier, he had massacred thousands of their fellow innocent countrymen? Suppose if Abu Bakr had massacred thousands of his own kind, would a majority of people who have fresh memories about it, still come out for his funeral (as an example)? Obviously not.

[MysticKnight]

Muhammed Ali, on 12 May 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

He is a man who deserves the title 'Ayatullah'. Imagine that you were an agnostic or a deist and you had no reason to believe that the Quran or the ahadith/history were reliable; the character of Ayatullah Khomeini would make you question if there is some truth behind Islam.

MysticKnight I am talking in general terms, i don't mean you in particular.

He is a Sign of God whether Islam is true or not.

[A true Sunni]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

sunni if i am a nasibi then may bibi paak sayyeda tahira (sa) destroy me.

if you are wrong and accuse me falsely, may she destroy you.

shiasoldier do numbers matter in matters of truth and falsehood? if they do....why arent you a sunni? all the muslims but a few supported abu bakr

You are a Nasibi. your opinions and Duas mean nothing

[Maula Dha Mallang]

shiasoldier i see what you are saying but i think you are not getting what i mean man.

the channels of communication NOW in iran are terrible, they dont even have youtube or twitter....what were they like 30 years ago? was there a freedom of press?

do you think the millions of people even k.rw what was going on?

history reveals all secrets, which is why we can know now. dont look at that time with the eyes of someone living in this time.

so saying numbers is somehow an indicator of rightness is wrong, its not an indicator of anything at all.

[A true Sunni]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

again. sunni. stop making (or trying to make) jibes against my family. just because you never met your real father, this does not mean you need to bring it up in every topic in every thread how much you are jealous of people who know their history while you have none.

this has nothing to do with my family history, nor your lack of it.

stay on topic sunni, i wont let you derail this thread simply because you cannot talk about things you have no idea about. have you ever considered not posting, if you have nothing of value to contribute other than "tatbir tatbir ghulat akhbari tatbir blood tatbir"?

Though it is relevant to your family equally it is relevant to many old Shia families from the IndoPak area. You think this diatribe and hatred is unique to you. I have seen it to many times and the common factor is the old indopak shia families who have had there power eroded

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

shiasoldier i see what you are saying but i think you are not getting what i mean man.

the channels of communication NOW in iran are terrible, they dont even have youtube or twitter....what were they like 30 years ago? was there a freedom of press?

do you think the millions of people even k.rw what was going on?

history reveals all secrets, which is why we can know now. dont look at that time with the eyes of someone living in this time.

so saying numbers is somehow an indicator of rightness is wrong, its not an indicator of anything at all.

and you who are not from the country , dont know the language , surrounded by haters of IRI know so much more about the inner machinations and politics of Iran. Well you convinced me lol

[Maula Dha Mallang]

A true Sunni, on 12 May 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

You are a Nasibi. your opinions and Duas mean nothing

then you make the same dua on my behalf.

[A true Sunni]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

then you make the same dua on my behalf.

You expect me to make dua with a slanderer and liar. I do not need to prove you are damned lol, If you was honest you wouldnt have needed to lie and slander me. I didnt enter your game then and i am not entering your game now. How you Nasibis sleep at night I will never know

[Maula Dha Mallang]

A true Sunni, on 12 May 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

and you who are not from the country , dont know the language , surrounded by haters of IRI know so much more about the inner machinations and politics of Iran. Well you convinced me lol

i dont need to convince you of anything, stop being so arrogant and assuming anyone cares what you think, or indeed any input you have actually matters to us.

we are only talking to you because its funny dissing the krap out of you while you try to hide your increasing anger by more and more off topic posts about tatbir, family bloodlines and ghulat beliefs.

you are the comic relief, sunni. deal with it. a pause between serious posts.

for the rest of members, the evidence speaks loud enough for itself.

brother aly reza rest assured i do not make such serious statements without backing them up. i am unlikely to get on the pc to show you links until tomorrow evening, but trust me that what i say has truth behind it. i will show u the links and you can see the plain, simple evidence yourself

[A true Sunni]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

i dont need to convince you of anything, stop being so arrogant and assuming anyone cares what you think, or indeed any input you have actually matters to us.

we are only talking to you because its funny dissing the krap out of you while you try to hide your increasing anger by more and more off topic posts about tatbir, family bloodlines and ghulat beliefs.

you are the comic relief, sunni. deal with it. a pause between serious posts.

for the rest of members, the evidence speaks loud enough for itself.

brother aly reza rest assured i do not make such serious statements without backing them up. i am unlikely to get on the pc to show you links until tomorrow evening, but trust me that what i say has truth behind it. i will show u the links and you can see the plain, simple evidence yourself

Increasing anger LOL says the guy who resorted to lies and slander to try and shut me up. So who was losing their cool you or me. I like the hadith that was posted . I now know why i view you with such distaste. Its your Nasibi nature . But I ma glad you exposed ur Nasibi nature to the world.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

A true Sunni, on 12 May 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

You expect me to make dua with a slanderer and liar. I do not need to prove you are damned lol, If you was honest you wouldnt have needed to lie and slander me. I didnt enter your game then and i am not entering your game now. How you Nasibis sleep at night I will never know

what are you scared of, sunni? its a simple request.

according to you i am already damned. i am asking ypu to pray that sayyeda fatimah (sa) destroys me if i am wrong, but destroys you if you are wrong?

truth is, you know you are wrong so cant say it. the more you avoid it the more obvious it becomes.

[MysticKnight]

Fatima destroy you?

[Kamranistan]

It's a sad world when you hear people saying I will curse Khomeini in the same breathe I curse Yazid..

[A true Sunni]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

what are you scared of, sunni? its a simple request.

according to you i am already damned. i am asking ypu to pray that sayyeda fatimah (sa) destroys me if i am wrong, but destroys you if you are wrong?

truth is, you know you are wrong so cant say it. the more you avoid it the more obvious it becomes.

You might have looked at a previous thread about Mubahila i participated on. I was against it then as i am now. So no I an not scared of you lol. Those who pray for other peoples destruction are immature morons. It is well know even the damned will have a chance for redemption with his last breath.

[macisaac]

Sometimes you people make me want to resign from this site..

MdM (though he wasn't the only offender in this thread) banned for this comment:

"just because you never met your real father"

I've already said comments like this will result in an instant ban.  No exceptions.