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[MALANGG]

i have noticed in various thread that some members actually abuses marjas
i know we have akhbaris also on this site but if you dont follow marjaiyat doesn't mean you can abuse them.
Some members curse fadhallah, Shirazi, And i was shocked when i saw few members cursing IMAM KHOMEINI
Cursing some one who has a title of imam is really pathetic.
cant we live in peace and united, What is the problems with marjas you follow if you want and follow whoever you want but atleast dont abuse and try to refrain hatred.
So what is the problem i want to know why few pseudo Hate and Abuse Khomeini here ?

Dont label me as e.g fitnah And even if you will,it doesnt affect me
i am just trying to know some history and misconception among shias.

Thank You

[Maula Dha Mallang]

i will curse khomeini in the same breath that i curse yazeed, hitler, stalin, pol pot and the rest of them. they are equal.

[Al-Hadi]

May Allah Bless ayatollah Khomeini and lengthen the life of ayatollah khamanei

[Aly ReZa]

MDM i am shock
But whyyyy??

[MALANGG]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 04:19 AM, said:

i will curse khomeini in the same breath that i curse yazeed, hitler, stalin, pol pot and the rest of them. they are equal.

WHY?
reason behind hatred?

[gogiison2]

WA wr wb,

We have a hadeeth where basically our Imam says that a Nasibi is not one who hates Ahlul Bayt, because no Muslim in their right mind would openly say that they hate Ahlul Bayt, but rather a Nasibi is one who hates the followers of Ahlul Bayt.
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So, by the above criteria, even some of our so-called Shiah would be Nasibis...

[A true Sunni]

The hatred directed towards Marje and in particular Ayatullah Khomeini and Khameni has its origins in their attempt to return Shias to their roots. Malangs of India and Pakistan have a particular hatred because proper Hawsa trained Alims began to threaten the power and finances of Zakirs. As people began to consult properly trained Alims so the family based religious authority began to erode.

Unfortunately this in particular affected the Syeds of India Pakistan because their molvis/zakirs were family trained not Howsa trained. So they encouraged the Malang movement seeking to differentiate it from Marjiyat. They instilled a hatred towards The Marje who were the sourse of the Hawsa trained Alims.

They nominally claim the issue is Shirazi but even that is a red Herring. Its all about erosion of power

[Al-Englisi]

MALANGG, on 12 May 2012 - 03:48 AM, said:

Some members curse fadhallah, Shirazi, And i was shocked when i saw few members cursing IMAM KHOMEINI

Cursing some one who has a title of imam is really pathetic.

So what is the problem i want to know why few pseudo Hate and Abuse Khomeini here ?

There is a beautiful line in farsi poetry which roughly translates too..

'It is not odd that in the land of the blind, there are those who curse the sun'

Some people are so blinded by hatred they fail to see any good in others, they [may] read ziyarat Ashura and pass of over the lines telling Imam Hussain that they are at peace with those at peace with him , and at war with those who are at war with him , yet they go on to curse and abuse other Shias, even those who have been a great cause for bringing many to religion, and those in religion closer to religion. I wonder how they will answer on the day of judgement for their bold statements against these great people.

Also, the title Imam is given to Sayed Khomanie if from the people, it is not God given, hence, him just being known as Imam would not make him deserving of any special respect or make him untouchable, he is fallible after all. His actions are enough to highlight his amazingness, we don't even need to go to what people call/think of him.

Al-Hadi, on 12 May 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

May Allah Bless ayatollah Khomeini and lengthen the life of ayatollah khamanei

May Allah bless you too, inshallah.

Edited by sweet89, 12 May 2012 - 09:57 AM.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

sunni you complete ball sack you know exactly why i hate khomeini, but you are so used to lies falling out of your mouth every time you speak, you have forgotten to tell the truth.

i hate him because of his role in the indiscriminate and unfair and illegal and secret killing of political prisoners over a 6 month period in i believe 1988, whether they were MKO filth who deserved it, or innocent and wrongly imprisoned.

people were not given fair trials or even fair chances to defend themselves or even legal representation.

i believe this is wrong. and u know what? i proved it plenty of times. do a search.

[MALANGG]

@MDM can put more light on the issue as you can see many others are not aware of what you say

@ sweet great post brother
@ sunni are you talking about the akhbaris that they had made a different way from marja's?

[Ugly Jinn]

A sample.

[MysticKnight]

Imam Khomeini may have done some things wrong, and really wrong, but he was sincere in his intentions and one of the most sincerest people to his principles and beliefs, and was a good man and cared about his people.  He was too harsh towards his enemies, but never the less, a person full of love and compassion towards people. The man loved God and was sincere to Him. He sought to bring people to what he believed was the righteous path and higher path. He tried to make people into people full of love of God and sincere service to him.  He sought to show a way of dignity for the oppressed and shackled people.

I never have and probably never will understand the hatred people have for this man.

[A true Sunni]

MALANGG, on 12 May 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

@MDM can put more light on the issue as you can see many others are not aware of what you say

@ sweet great post brother
@ sunni are you talking about the akhbaris that they had made a different way from marja's?

No I am not talking about akhbaris. In reality the real akhbaris are virtually extinct. Some malangs try and adopt the term akhbari in order to try and legitimise themselves. In reality if Ayatullah Khomeini and Khameni allowed anarchism and blood letting the malangs would love them.

People like MDM who is from an old Shia family has fallen into this trap. These old Shia families from India Pakistan have seen there power eroded since the Islamic Revolution.

MDM and is ilk start from the basis of 'we wiil hate them' and then do research looking for dirt in order to legitimise their claims.

Those who recognise the achievements of Islamic revolution do their research to legitimise their love.

The basis of the hatred is erosion of power. Has it not occured to people that the hardcore haters are old shia families from India Pakistan who are may very well claim descent from Peers and Gadi Nasheens.

These people feel they are owed respect due to family affiliation. Modern Shias ask that people should be respected for theier deeds not their blood line.

So those old families rather then change with the times blame the IRI for their reduction in power. This has nothing to do with religion all to do with power

[Directora]

May Allah Bless the Soul of Imam Khomeini.
How can one hate a person who generates a nation; which today is the source of power/wealth of Shia Islam.
Please, If your not Iranian or don't know the politics in Iran don't speak about them.
The People who were killed by the order of Imam Khomeini, were people who killed many of our Ullemaa in Iran.
Long Live Imam Khamenei and the true Shia's of Ali

[Kaniz e Zahra]

A true Sunni, on 12 May 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

No I am not talking about akhbaris. In reality the real akhbaris are virtually extinct. Some malangs try and adopt the term akhbari in order to try and legitimise themselves. In reality if Ayatullah Khomeini and Khameni allowed anarchism and blood letting the malangs would love them.

People like MDM who is from an old Shia family has fallen into this trap. These old Shia families from India Pakistan have seen there power eroded since the Islamic Revolution.

MDM and is ilk start from the basis of 'we wiil hate them' and then do research looking for dirt in order to legitimise their claims.

Those who recognise the achievements of Islamic revolution do their research to legitimise their love.

The basis of the hatred is erosion of power. Has it not occured to people that the hardcore haters are old shia families from India Pakistan who are may very well claim descent from Peers and Gadi Nasheens.

These people feel they are owed respect due to family affiliation. Modern Shias ask that people should be respected for theier deeds not their blood line.U say Malangs r extinct,nd then u say malangs r blood letters,but blood letters are not few,or extinct,cum and take a look how many they r?so who is a liar,who manipulates statemnts,nd that is u.

So those old families rather then change with the times blame the IRI for their reduction in power. This has nothing to do with religion all to do with power

As stupid as always,though i don't think it good to abuse marjas,neither m going to discuss that issue,but wt rubbish u spk against indo-pak Shias is sheer rubbish,who is threatened from iranian revolution??Iranians are only about 50millions,we are 100 millions,double to them,and whenever u want can conduct a survey in indo-pak(not on shiachat)that most of indo-pak ppl don't do taqleed,they there are best of Howza trained Ulema here,who are respected,listened,and contacted for matters of Fiqh,but still nobody do their official taqleed,our Ancestors have spread Islam more than molvis,read indo-pak history,the Saints did all that,so  there is a little fragmnt which do taqleed,but are not that fanatics,Zakir culture is only in rural punjab,but on which basis u r adding 26provinces of india,nd pakistan's four in it??u always do vile talk,we have much strong Shia culture than Iran,or Iraq.

Edited by Kaniz e Zahra, 12 May 2012 - 10:31 AM.

[Aly ReZa]

agreed with her ^
Indo-pak shias respect every representator of ayatullahs
Now before few month only we lost our representator of sistani sahab
Called agaae nasiri
Thousands of pepl gethered for him
2 namaz e janaza was prayed
grief in every heart posters stickers hoardings were made
information was conveyed by our shia channel all around the network
My self too was present the funeral started  at 9 am clock in morning and end up at 2 pm
2 namaze janaza
Cemetry full
Many majlises for him and niyaz for his sawaab
EveN on his chehloom many many majlis Were organised by diff troops-masjids imambrgahS
So mr.Taraweeh you cant judge the world by sitting on a corner

[A true Sunni]

Kaniz e Zahra, on 12 May 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

As stupid as always,though i don't think it good to abuse marjas,neither m going to discuss that issue,but wt rubbish u spk against indo-pak Shias is sheer rubbish,who is threatened from iranian revolution??Iranians are only about 50millions,we are 100 millions,double to them,and whenever u want can conduct a survey in indo-pak(not on shiachat)that most of indo-pak ppl don't do taqleed,they there are best of Howza trained Ulema here,who are respected,listened,and contacted for matters of Fiqh,but still nobody do their official taqleed,our Ancestors have spread Islam more than molvis,read indo-pak history,the Saints did all that,so  there is a little fragmnt which do taqleed,but are not that fanatics,Zakir culture is only in rural punjab,but on which basis u r adding 26provinces of india,nd pakistan's four in it??u always do vile talk,we have much strong Shia culture than Iran,or Iraq.

You even take an intellectual discussion and turn it into a Sunni Shia debate lol. You really are a very sad individual. But I can see from your words that every thing I am saying is extremely accurate. Truth hurts doesnt it

Aly ReZa, on 12 May 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

agreed with her ^
Indo-pak shias respect every representator of ayatullahs
Now before few month only we lost our representator of sistani sahab
Called agaae nasiri
Thousands of pepl gethered for him
2 namaz e janaza was prayed
grief in every heart posters stickers hoardings were made
information was conveyed by our shia channel all around the network
My self too was present the funeral started  at 9 am clock in morning and end up at 2 pm
2 namaze janaza
Cemetry full
Many majlises for him and niyaz for his sawaab
EveN on his chehloom many many majlis Were organised by diff troops-masjids imambrgahS
So mr.Taraweeh you cant judge the world by sitting on a corner

But you dont follow Ahga Seestani so why talk about loosing his representative !!. For the rest see above. And yet you have MDM a pakistani Shia who likens Ayatullah Khomeini to Hitler !!!. You explain it to me why some malangs direct such hatred towards Iran. I know many Malang shias who regularly Lanat on the Marje. All from the IndoPak subcontinent. I just tell it as I see it. In addition to that the question was posed as by a Shia. He obviously observed what I am commenting on so lets not fool anyone else with this silly talk

Edited by A true Sunni, 12 May 2012 - 11:48 AM.

[Waiting for HIM]

gogiison2, on 12 May 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:

WA wr wb,

We have a hadeeth where basically our Imam says that a Nasibi is not one who hates Ahlul Bayt, because no Muslim in their right mind would openly say that they hate Ahlul Bayt, but rather a Nasibi is one who hates the followers of Ahlul Bayt.
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So, by the above criteria, even some of our so-called Shiah would be Nasibis...

Wassalam..

I was about to post this hadith. I even verified it to be authentic to be with most authentic chains.

[Aly ReZa]

taraweeh same line again for you
Dont judge the world by sitiing on a corner

I my self is a follower of ayatullah sistani
We have consent his represtative his name was ahga e nasiri (stays near by my apartment) about tatbirrr and all other fiqh issues.
All were crying on his loss
I had never seen Any one except on internet who abuses maja's.
I accept there are many who doesnt follow them
But no one abuses.
If you are gonna speak all this rubbish only then i will not bother to reply
As you are just judging ignorantly to any1 as Per your like and dislike.

all ur posts just make false accusations against pepl
You are blind because of your hatred for shias
And about MDM even i was shocked when i read his post and i have mentioned the same above also
Even i wanna knw the reason.

[A true Sunni]

Aly ReZa, on 12 May 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

taraweeh same line again for you
Dont judge the world by sitiing on a corner

I my self is a follower of ayatullah sistani
We have consent his represtative his name was ahga e nasiri (stays near by my apartment) about tatbirrr and all other fiqh issues.
All were crying on his loss
I had never seen Any one except on internet who abuses maja's.
I accept there are many who doesnt follow them
But no one abuses.
If you are gonna speak all this rubbish only then i will not bother to reply
As you are just judging ignorantly to any1 as Per your like and dislike.

all ur posts just make false accusations against pepl
You are blind because of your hatred for shias
And about MDM even i was shocked when i read his post and i have mentioned the same above also
Even i wanna knw the reason.

You cannot be a muqalid of Agha Sistani He has banned blood letting. and yet MDM a fellow shia and blood letter is a hater. and u say i am making false accusations. I notice you have expressed shock but havent condemned him or is that because he is a blood letter. You will accept him no matter how vile his belief of Marje.

Edited by A true Sunni, 12 May 2012 - 12:26 PM.

[Aly ReZa]

i am a followr of sistani sahab belive me or not,
you mentally sick taraweeh i live at a place where lakhs of shias do tatbir
the represntative of sistani sahab also stayed all his life here
Even he was standing at a place whr tatbir was performed.
This all are internet fake videos and articles, we have personally met with him and asked
now also his 5 sons stays over here, the eldest one is pesh namaz and maulana
And you Taraweeh.com just sit in a corner and issues fatwa against pepl
Are you havIng some wahi from umar
That u get the global info by sitting on a bin.
And Its nothing like i will never oppose the tatbiri guy
I asked MDM why ?
Supporting tatbir doesnt mean i wil not take a stand Against them even if they will be wrong.
Again if you are goiNg to speak such nonsense then i dont have much energy to rePly all ur waste posts

[Maula Dha Mallang]

a true cretin....i mean sunni, is indiscriminate murder of innocent people in secret right or wrong?

use as many words as you need to answer.

thats why i hate him. because he was a power mad mass murderer no different than the shah of iran.

[A true Sunni]

Aly ReZa, on 12 May 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

i am a followr of sistani sahab belive me or not,
you mentally sick taraweeh i live at a place where lakhs of shias do tatbir
the represntative of sistani sahab also stayed all his life here
Even he was standing at a place whr tatbir was performed.
This all are internet fake videos and articles, we have personally met with him and asked
now also his 5 sons stays over here, the eldest one is pesh namaz and maulana
And you Taraweeh.com just sit in a corner and issues fatwa against pepl
Are you havIng some wahi from umar
That u get the global info by sitting on a bin.
And Its nothing like i will never oppose the tatbiri guy
I asked MDM why ?
Supporting tatbir doesnt mean i wil not take a stand Against them even if they will be wrong.
Again if you are goiNg to speak such nonsense then i dont have much energy to rePly all ur waste posts

You only think you a Muqallid of Agha Sistani. Everyone knows he has banned blood letting. Dont blame me for your ignorane. Blame your so called Alims who dont inform you of the truth. You will never condemn MDM I know your type only to well. You will ask his reasons and he will tell you and u will say live and let live lol. I see MDM has given his reason. I condemn him for his stance on the Marje . Question is do you

Maula Dha Mallang, on 12 May 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

a true cretin....i mean sunni, is indiscriminate murder of innocent people in secret right or wrong?

use as many words as you need to answer.

thats why i hate him. because he was a power mad mass murderer no different than the shah of iran.

Sad individaul that you are. You really are a standard bearer for the 'lost' interesting hadith about the Nasibis . Whats your opinion of the hadith

Edited by A true Sunni, 12 May 2012 - 12:52 PM.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

sunni i asked you a question.

Edited by Maula Dha Mallang, 12 May 2012 - 12:53 PM.

[Aly ReZa]

dont try to create fitnah between me and MDM intentionall between all tatbiris
I knw you have fitnah in ur blood so its not ur fault.
Our alims are wrong
Marjahs are wrong
We are Wrong only you are right
thank to Allah s.w.t i met such a great taraweeh person who Has guided me to the
Right path
I hate zanjeer tatbir all are haram haram
Now itS time for taraweeh
Brb