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[Chaotic Muslem]

salam alaykum

i was thinking of how we usually look at each other as shia with anger and bitterness sometimes and it actually hurts , it hurts to see us mocking ourselves or treating others in harsh way using harsh words
at first i thought this must be related to some non ventilated mis understanding and misconceptions , given that shia communities are scattered and generally poor , have little contact with each other
Also i thought of how we expected and demanded perfections from non perfect brothers and sisters but not from our own self , we are imperfect but other shia of Ali , all of them should act like Ali peace be upon him
But as i started to work with people who are usually troubled in shi amajority areas and saw how we do usually avoid to try to solve their problems because those troubled people have failed to show how good shia they -should- be according to -our- measures
it hurts to see how people give up helping a couple of shia to overcome their marriage obstacles ,let a house that was built on light and religion be taken down by wordly issues , their kids suffer from broken family and all that , it hurts to see such an attitude from shia towrds shia
so i am not here to demand perfections nor expecting it , all i will do is to list a number of verses and hadiths about rahma-mercy between mo'mins and how we are tought by our prophet to treat each other
after all , reminder works on mo'mins only
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وذكر فان الذكرى تنفع المؤمنين

And warn, for warning profiteth believers.

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محمد رسول الله والذين معه اشداء على الكفار رحماء بينهم تراهم ركعا سجدا يبتغون فضلا من الله ورضوانا سيماهم في وجوههم من اثر السجود ذلك مثلهم في التوراة ومثلهم في الانجيل كزرع اخرج شطاه فازره فاستغلظ فاستوى على سوقه يعجب الزراع ليغيظ بهم الكفار وعد الله الذين امنوا وعملوا الصالحات منهم مغفرة واجرا عظيما

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense rewar

Edited by Chaotic Muslem, 09 May 2012 - 10:12 AM.

[Chaotic Muslem]

salamz
i was pondering this ayah-verse- where Allah describes our prophet attitude during his duity of calling وmuslims to Allah

i felt that mercy was the root of our prophet good attitude according to this verse

فبما رحمة من الله لنت لهم ولو كنت فظا غليظ القلب لانفضوا من حولك فاعف عنهم واستغفر لهم وشاورهم في الامر فاذا عزمت فتوكل على الله ان الله يحب المتوكلين

   It was by the mercy of Allah that thou wast lenient with them (O Muhammad), for if thou hadst been stern and fierce of heart they would have dispersed from round about thee. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult with them upon the conduct of affairs. And when thou art resolved, then put thy trust in Allah. Lo! Allah loveth those who put their trust (in Him).

Edited by Chaotic Muslem, 15 May 2012 - 03:26 AM.

[alialiali]

misfortunes are part of life,illnesses are part of sins that have ben committed, marrages that are broken have a reason, theres many options for these people, they can even marry again, its not the end of the world.

look at the poor countries non muslims/muslims/sunni/shia there are many who dont have living parents and are kids, there are families dying of starvation, there are humans being slaughtered, murdered,,,,people who havent seen a grain of rice for weeks, what about these true poor people your not thinking about?

[Chaotic Muslem]

alialiali, on 15 May 2012 - 04:15 AM, said:

misfortunes are part of life,illnesses are part of sins that have ben committed, marrages that are broken have a reason, theres many options for these people, they can even marry again, its not the end of the world.

look at the poor countries non muslims/muslims/sunni/shia there are many who dont have living parents and are kids, there are families dying of starvation, there are humans being slaughtered, murdered,,,,people who havent seen a grain of rice for weeks, what about these true poor people your not thinking about?

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i am confused , how is that related to the topic?

[alialiali]

Chaotic Muslem, on 15 May 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

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i am confused , how is that related to the topic?

sorry i think i really did go off the topic, i apologise.
shias dont know who they are themselves, some just follow others, many follow themselves and feel they know far too much to follow others, shias have far too much to worry about then to worry about their brother in islam, soo many sects, cults, groups, ideas, which cause many to seperate from one another, many suffer arrogance, self love, closed minds and greed in many ways, (including, knowledge) we all suffer from many of these diseases of the nafs, if we all just gave up religion and learnt the religion of love only the whole world would be a better place then it is now.

just like in azadari, we have been told to cry for maula (saw) (karbala) as if we are cryin for our own, this is for the ones that do not understand or have not achieved recognition of the imam (saw). Just like the ones who cannot cry, they have been told to make a face like they are crying again for the ones who havent recognised karbala, just like the ones who cannot read arabic, have been told to just glance at the quranic verses and they will gain the rewards of looking at them, everything is at a level. People should step down and just begin to love one another and lose the differences so we can all be one. As the majority of shias whether malangs (including the self made malangs solo),asoolis,akhbaris even nusairis know not what they doo.

Edited by alialiali, 16 May 2012 - 10:09 AM.

[shia_from_texas]

Salam alaikum,

My name is Johanna and I'm using my husband's account.  It hurts me to see that we, as Muslims, lack rahma between us. Sometimes I think that we've become so used to not caring about each other, that it is no longer a thought, as if we somehow lost the ability to feel empathy and compassion for anyone other than ourselves.  Our religion tells us to make 70 excuses for our fellow Muslims, but I rarely see that. I hate to say it, but I did notice that I started staying away from interacting with other Shias or any Muslim for that matter for fear of getting hurt.  It is a sad state of affairs for the Ummah that we have become so cold towards one another.

[Chaotic Muslem]

shia_from_texas, on 25 May 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

Salam alaikum,

My name is Johanna and I'm using my husband's account.  It hurts me to see that we, as Muslims, lack rahma between us. Sometimes I think that we've become so used to not caring about each other, that it is no longer a thought, as if we somehow lost the ability to feel empathy and compassion for anyone other than ourselves.  Our religion tells us to make 70 excuses for our fellow Muslims, but I rarely see that. I hate to say it, but I did notice that I started staying away from interacting with other Shias or any Muslim for that matter for fear of getting hurt.  It is a sad state of affairs for the Ummah that we have become so cold towards one another.

thats sad , weather it was a fact or a general impression , but then this is where every indivisual reaction matters , if poeple treated you badly , you treat them kindly instead of treating them as bad as they did to you , Allah in Quraan says"

ولا تستوي الحسنة ولا السيئة ادفع بالتي هي احسن فاذا الذي بينك وبينه عداوة كانه ولي حميم
The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend.

[shia_from_texas]

I agree with you. I try to make excuses for them, but I suppose it hurts when you treat people a certain way and they don't do the same for you. That won't stop me from being kind to them, however.

Johanna

[prism2world]

assalamu alaykum,

mashallah a topic that i can connect to....me living in a sunni dominated country, and yearning to be amongst shias- i wouldn't have thought that  the shia community has reached to that extent...i guess i did pick up on a few signs. but...i don't know..i guess i also felt the intermingling i yearned for was to be amongst scholars. as i am a daughter who's parent decided to run away from being completely westernized for one of those very reasons you guys have mentioned..

fee-aaanillah!!

[hameedeh]

4) Find and Remove the Roots of differences

For preserving amity in Muslim society, it is necessary that, first, the elements or factors of disintegration should be found and then they should be removed. The main factors that tear the hearts apart are having bad opinion or misunderstanding about one another and thereafter, in following and spying one another and then making a mockery of one another and calling by insulting titles to tease one another and even back biting one another and showing oneself higher than the other by way of ego and pride. If these evils are found out and eliminated there will be no more quarrels between Muslims and the tree of Islam will bear desired fruits, happiness for all.

In order to stop such things, the Holy Qur’an admonishes us all that one must never make a mockery of others because; it is quite possible that the one whom you are mocking may be better than you. So do not call one another names. The Holy Qur’an regards spying on others and forming bad opinion about others a sin. It equates backbiting with eating carrion.

From preventing one from pride and ego, the Holy Qur’an says that the origin of creation of all is one and the same. They are all born of a father and a mother, and there is no distinction for one over another from this aspect. It says that all natural differences (like color, languages etc) are for recognition, not for self-glorification.

Source: http://www.al-islam....r-hujurat/2.htm