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[Ruwayd]

Not the current Nizari Ismaili Imam, who is Aga Khan IV and the 49th Imam of the Nizari Ismailis.

But, his predecessor, Aga Khan III, 48th Imam of the Nizari Ismailis, said the following about the Twelver Shia back in 1899 in a Farman made to the Zanzibar jamat of Nizari Ismailis (the equivalent of a kutbah for us regular Muslims - although for Nizari Ismailis, Farmans are considered to be the tasfir of the Qur'an):

"Within ten, twenty or thirty years, the Ithna'ashri religion will be worn out. After 100 years the Ithna'ashri religion will not exist at all. It will not exist in Iran either because that religion's base is not on Aq'l (the power of reasoning). Our religion's base is on Aq'l."
(From Translation of Book of Farmans in Gujarati)


You can see several Nizari Ismailis discussing this farman here:
http://www.ismaili.n...iewtopic&t=7382


It was a real prediction. It has proven wrong.

Edited by Ruwayd, 08 May 2012 - 02:54 AM.

[TruthSeeker_953]

Did aqal & logic plays an important role in religion ???

Dear all its my question not a comment.

[shah19]

At  least the prediction gave them 100 years more for imamat....................now they should try this prediction again for another 100 years....................

[Aly ReZa]

many like them has predicted bad things about shias
and all of that fall flat
lol that agakhani may be staying at neighbour of osama bin laden

Edited by Aly ReZa, 08 May 2012 - 04:00 AM.

[Gypsy]

That's crazy. Nizari Ismailis is not even 1% of the Shia population (Twelver Shia are 90% of the Shii population).

[Aabiss_Shakari]

Imams giving their daughters to Britishers and talking about reasoning?

[Aly ReZa]

^ lol

[Mdmick1]

That is not true.  Aga khan iii never said that,,, I believe you should not follow the stupid news and writing her and there,
All Shia respect each other and this is stupid task to discuss. And believe me nobody care even if there will be one person left on earth.  
We live in 2012 and that writtings belongs to uneducated people..

Blessing for you all and leave this page as I will do

[Master Chief]

I went through the site that Ruwayd posted, and the below post by username samirnoorali made me laugh.

"....The Ishnasheris then go on to say that Hasan Askari died without appointing a blood related successor. His adopted son, Mohammad Al Mehdi became the successor. He was born in 868 AD and at the age of 5 (872 AD) he was running away from his enemies and disappeared into a unknown cave. They believe that he will come back at the end of time – a time when Allah wills it. His location is on an island somewhere in the Mediterrenian Sea. No normal human being can see him or talk to him, and no satellite technology can view him. He has many children, wives, and companions living on this unknown island. They live normal lives, sleeping, eating, and having fun, but all the while nobody can see them because they are invisible. It’s important to note that belief is that he is about 1141 years old as of 2009. ...."

Some one should point out to him that not what Twelvers believe. Who ever told him that was seriously incorrect.

Edited by Master Chief, 09 May 2012 - 04:15 PM.

[Ruwayd]

Mdmick1, on 09 May 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

That is not true.  Aga khan iii never said that,,, I believe you should not follow the stupid news and writing her and there,
All Shia respect each other and this is stupid task to discuss. And believe me nobody care even if there will be one person left on earth.  
We live in 2012 and that writtings belongs to uneducated people..

Blessing for you all and leave this page as I will do

No need to lie, especially when you have nothing to show for it.

The "farman" is real.

[Fatima Hussain]

What?  Why would he say that? ):

[Hassan_S]

TruthSeeker_953, on 08 May 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

Did aqal & logic plays an important role in religion ???

Dear all its my question not a comment.

Yes it does, without it, faith will be baseless

[Rasul]

I have seen many Ismaili that have converted back to Shiism ( recently )  heh

[Ikiryo]

Aabiss_Shakari, on 08 May 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Imams giving their daughters to Britishers and talking about reasoning?

I think you'll find that a person's nationality is meaningless and not important in Islam - if you do not know that, then you should read more of the words of our glorious Prophet (saw). If on the other hand you mean they have given their daughters' hand in marriage to non-Muslims, then that is something quite different and you should have said as such.