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[AnaAmmar1]

Salam everyone.
i think there should be a thread on this topic.
there was a march arranged by activists from all around the world.

purpose of this march was to create awareness on palestine issue and show solidarity with palestinian people,
Almost all countries participated.

i was part of gmj-asia caravan.we received delegates of indonesia,malaysia,philipines,india to pakistan(india by land and others by air)
from pakistan we went to iran and had a great time there.After iran we split.because turkish embassy refused visas,pakistanis+bahrainis+afghanis went to syria(by air) while iranians and others(rest of asian delegates) went to turkey(by land).from travelling across turkey they came to beirut by sea.
while we came to beirut by land.

on 30 th march we(all delegates) went to nabatieh lebanon(it was 30 kms before israel border) in a program with thousands of palestini people.

it was a great journey.
i tried to summarize it alot.if u have any questions please let me know.

[Al-Englisi]

Wasalams,

Many congratulations on being able to participate in such a noble cause, just had a few questions:

What were the immediate affects? (preferably visible ones)

What is being done to keep those affects/feelings/emotions alive?

What was the feedback from attendees?

Have any of the countries that refused to co-operate explained the reasons for there behaviour?

[AnaAmmar1]

Israel made a replica website against this global march,they uploaded the organizers' personal data which they stole from their email and different social networking websites.
israel deployed a part Israel defence forces on their borders to counter this march.
israel said that if any country will allow the delegates to reach to the israeli borders using its soil,we will impose war on that country.
their top news papers such as haaretz and jpost also published stories against this march.

Awareness of the people i think.also the hapiness on the faces of palestinian people.

most of the delegates are connected through emails and social websites.

feedback was outclass.i was amazed by the diversity of the attendees.we had hindus,sikhs,jews,christians with us too.

no they didnt explained.Turkey govt refused visas instead of pressure of the activists from all around the world.lebanon refused visas to indians.they were stuck in ship for 40 hours(after that they were allowed to enter)

[Wahdat]

how much did it cost you?

[AnaAmmar1]

Wahdat, on 07 May 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

how much did it cost you?

travcelling expense only,local organizations on palestine in different countries accomodated us.

[aliasghark]

May God hasten the return of the Imam Mahdi, and hasten the defeat and disappearance of Zionist terrorism.

[Wahdat]

AnaAmmar1, on 07 May 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

travcelling expense only,local organizations on palestine in different countries accomodated us.

First of all let me congratulate you on acting in what you believe. That is indeed noble.
This march reminds me of what I read about the Khilafat movement whose members started marching from India and came all the way to Afghanistan on their way to Turkey to save the Islamic Caliphate. The irony herein lies in the fact that it were the very same oppressed and occupied Arabs who colluded with the Europeans to end the Caliphate norm. Some 100 years on and us Muslims are still marching. May we reach our destination.

[Noah-]

AnaAmmar1, on 07 May 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

from pakistan we went to iran and had a great time there.After iran we split.because turkish embassy refused visas,pakistanis+bahrainis+afghanis went to syria

Bahrainis? And Syria allowed you to go in?

Do these Bahrainis know that Ismail Haniya decided to meet the brutal king of Bahrain? Syria still allows people to show support for Takfiri Salafists who changed sides and backed the Zionist protects, the Saudi backed terrorists in Syria?

These Palestinian Takfiris believe they are oppressed, but when they get the chance they will stand by all sorts of Zionists and the oppressors!

We should never ignore Palestinians stance on Bahrain and on Syria! They turned out to be the puppets of Saudis and Zionists.

[AnaAmmar1]

Noah-, on 11 May 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

Bahrainis? And Syria allowed you to go in?

Do these Bahrainis know that Ismail Haniya decided to meet the brutal king of Bahrain? Syria still allows people to show support for Takfiri Salafists who changed sides and backed the Zionist protects, the Saudi backed terrorists in Syria?

These Palestinian Takfiris believe they are oppressed, but when they get the chance they will stand by all sorts of Zionists and the oppressors!

We should never ignore Palestinians stance on Bahrain and on Syria! They turned out to be the puppets of Saudis and Zionists.

its not about people of palestine,its about resistance against zionists.
and besides all of that its the problem of ummah.

[Noah-]

AnaAmmar1, on 12 May 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

its not about people of palestine,its about resistance against zionists.
and besides all of that its the problem of ummah.

The resistance against Zionists is in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Bahrain, North Yemen and Iran. Palestine is a failed state; it is part of the Zionists now. Almost the entire Palestinian groups joined the axis of Satan [Saudi-Zionists-Salafis].

We have nothing to do with Kafir Salafis who shed the blood of Muslims and other innocent people daily.

Why should the people from Afg-Pak-Iran-Bahrain care for these loser Palestinians while they are busy in other countries killing Muslims instead of going back to their own country and defending their own people?

Do Palestinians stand by my side and by other oppressed ones that in return we should stand by them? Did they ever condemn the brutality against Shias in Pakistan, Iraq, Bahrain and Yemen? Or they even became that low to support the oppressors?

We should not be fooled any longer!

[Kismet110]

^^^

What is it with Shi'ah supporting Nasibis? Is there a single recorded instance of any Palestinian spokesman expresssing solidarity or support for the oppressed Muslims in Kashmir? Or the persecution of Shi'ah in Bahrain or Pakistan?

Even worse, I've read articles that suggest hundreds of millions of dollars of 'aid' is given to the Palestinian Authorities by various sympathetic states and other organisations but most of it is squandered/mis-used by those in power.

Last year we had (in our locality) simpleton Shi'ah being coerced (read: duped) into going on a Quds Day march in place of commemorating Maula Ali's shahadaat - is there a limit to how gulllible and naive Shi'ah are?

ALI

[Noah-]

Kismet110, on 14 May 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

^^^

What is it with Shi'ah supporting Nasibis? Is there a single recorded instance of any Palestinian spokesman expresssing solidarity or support for the oppressed Muslims in Kashmir? Or the persecution of Shi'ah in Bahrain or Pakistan?

Even worse, I've read articles that suggest hundreds of millions of dollars of 'aid' is given to the Palestinian Authorities by various sympathetic states and other organisations but most of it is squandered/mis-used by those in power.

Last year we had (in our locality) simpleton Shi'ah being coerced (read: duped) into going on a Quds Day march in place of commemorating Maula Ali's shahadaat - is there a limit to how gulllible and naive Shi'ah are?

ALI

Because of the sellouts and the ignorance that exist amongst Shias.

I remember that some 'stupid' Shias went to protest during Quds day in one of Pakistan's cities to show their support for Palestine' then a Nasibi suicide bomber came in and killed 100s.... then we never heard a single word from Palestinians to thank Pakistani Shias and condemn their Nasibi brothers for killing Shias while they were protesting for their cause.

They hate Shias more than they hate the Israeli occupiers.

[Kismet110]

^^^

I didn't know about that incident bro, do you have more information on it? Hypocrisy of some supposed Shi'ah leaders indoctrinating that support for Nawasib is mandatory for us - in this case it led to death for some poor souls.

Lana'at on mullahs who use Maula Hussain's sacrifice to further their own political agendas.

ALI

Edited by Kismet110, 15 May 2012 - 08:17 AM.

[aliasghark]

I hope you guys are aware of the Quds day's origins... seems pretty strange for our community today to be against unity with the larger community of Muslims when our Imams themselves tolerated them for the sake of Islam (and not for any trivial cause, but defending against Zionist terrorism).

http://en.wikipedia....uds_Day#History

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History

March in Malmö, Sweden; Al-Quds Day 2008

The annual anti-Zionist day of protest was conceived originally by the leader of Iran's Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. In August 1979, the year of the Revolution, in solidarity with the Palestinians, Khomeini declared the liberation of Jerusalem a religious duty to all Muslims.^[8][9] He stated:

I invite Muslims all over the globe to consecrate the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan as Al-Quds Day and to proclaim the international solidarity of Muslims in support of the legitimate rights of the Muslim people of Palestine. For many years, I have been notifying the Muslims of the danger posed by the usurper Israel which today has intensified its savage attacks against the Palestinian brothers and sisters, and which, in the south of Lebanon in particular, is continually bombing Palestinian homes in the hope of crushing the Palestinian struggle. I ask all the Muslims of the world and the Muslim governments to join together to sever the hand of this usurper and its supporters. I call on all the Muslims of the world to select as Al-Quds Day the last Friday in the holy month of Ramadan - which is itself a determining period and can also be the determiner of the Palestinian people’s fate - and through a ceremony demonstrating the solidarity of Muslims world-wide, announce their support for the legitimate rights of the Muslim people. I ask God Almighty for the victory of the Muslims over the infidels.

—Ayatollah Khomeini^[10]

The day is also marked throughout Muslim and Arab countries. During the First Intifada in January 1988, the Jerusalem Committee of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference decided that Quds Day should be commemorated in public events throughout the Arab world.^[11] In countries with significant Shi'a populations, particularly Lebanon where Hezbollah organizes Quds Day events, there is significant attendance. Events are also held in Iraq, the Palestinian Gaza Strip, andSyria. Hamas, and the Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine endorse Quds Day, and hold ceremonies. Outside of the Middle East and the wider Arab World, Quds Day protests have taken place in the United Kingdom, Germany, Canada,Sweden, France, the United States, and some predominantly Muslim countries in east Asia.^[12]

[Kismet110]

^^^^

Bro, our Imams tolerated them but didn't side with Nasibis or take preference of them over their Shi'ah. Sayyid Khomeini started this stunt because of the fervour in exporting the revolution; this was a way of showing Iran/Shi'ah care about major sunni issues.

But 30+ years later how many sunni come on the Quds Day sham? Virtually none. It's a political thing and has ZERO effect on anyone because non-Muslims don't feature it and non-Shi'ah don't care one jot about it.

ALI

[aliasghark]

Well if (and I don't know how far that's true or not) non-Shias among Muslims aren't participating in this event, it becomes a question of doing the right thing, versus doing what is most profitable politically. I really think our doing the right thing and taking part in the Quds day should continue, regardless of what others do.

However if it's at the cost of sacrificing Shia Muslim assets or events or rights, then of course I don't support it. I don't think it comes to that for the most part though.

[AnaAmmar1]

aliasghark, on 15 May 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Well if (and I don't know how far that's true or not) non-Shias among Muslims aren't participating in this event, it becomes a question of doing the right thing, versus doing what is most profitable politically. I really think our doing the right thing and taking part in the Quds day should continue, regardless of what others do.

However if it's at the cost of sacrificing Shia Muslim assets or events or rights, then of course I don't support it. I don't think it comes to that for the most part though.

as brother said above a suicide bomber comes and kills 100s of shias in pakistan,the problem is that we r not even safe in majalis,juloos or anything,we r not safe in busses.so i doesnt matter.

and one other thing,we r NOT just supporting these people because they r oppressed,we support them because they are against our enemy.

[aliasghark]

AnaAmmar1, on 15 May 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

and one other thing,we r NOT just supporting these people because they r oppressed,we support them because they are against our enemy.

I don't think that kind of framing is what many of us would be comfortable with... think about it, how is that different from what the American governments have done (creating Saddam's regime and Al Qaeda, to fight their enemies Russia)? We should try to be more civilized and not stoop down to the level of savagery of the government of USA.

In my interpretation Imam Khomeini's motivation for the Quds day is much more principled.. he calls for protests against the attacks on and occupation of Palestinians and Muslims there. Good thing about it is that it's something that the rest of the Muslims hadn't shown to have come up with, and it proves Shia Muslims are in a leading and positive position, intellectually and practically.

[Noah-]

Kismet110, on 15 May 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

^^^

I didn't know about that incident bro, do you have more information on it? Hypocrisy of some supposed Shi'ah leaders indoctrinating that support for Nawasib is mandatory for us - in this case it led to death for some poor souls.

Lana'at on mullahs who use Maula Hussain's sacrifice to further their own political agendas.

ALI

Yes, it was a big news at the time at least on Shia media....here is the info and the link:

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54 killed as Quds Day rally bombed in Quetta

03 September, 2010

QUETTA: Fifty-four people were killed and more than 150 injured in a suicide blast at the Meezan Chowk, the commercial hub of Quetta city, during an Al-Quds Day rally after the Friday prayers. The death toll may rise.

Police said that the Imamia Students Organisation (ISO) took out a rally to mark Youm al-Quds. When the rally, participated by hundreds of people, reached near the Meezan Chowk, a suicide blast occurred, killing over 54 people. A cameraman of a private TV, Muhammad Sarwar, also died.

More than 150 people, including media persons from various TV channels, including Geo TV’s Imran Mukhtar, sustained injuries. They were shifted to the Civil Hospital, where there was no doctor available in the emergency. Later, all the injured were shifted to the CMH for medical treatment.

Eyewitnesses told our sources that after the blast, majority of the people were injured due to stampede in the rally, while the victims of the blast were shifted to hospitals in auto-rickshaws and other available vehicles, as the number of ambulances fell short.

Link to the entire report: http://paktribune.co...tta-231262.html

_________________________________________________

BTW: There is no such thing as political use for Shias in anyway... for showing support for Nasibi Palestine we only lose support and win the hatreds of giant countries like Israel, US and European countries... what is the benefit? This is just a culture that left from the times of Imam Khomeini (r ) who felt for the suffering of Palestinians, not knowing that they are oppressed one day and then with the oppressors the next day. Some of our Mullahs from Iran to Iraq and from Pakistan to Saudi are just ignorant of political facts, they have no political reasons...doing things on simple religious principles and whatever their emotions tell them.







How many Palestinians ever know or recognize Shias of Pakistan? How many Palestinians ever thanked them? How many Palestinians or even a single officials ever condemned this act of terror during Al-Quds day where it meant to show their support for their cause? We did not hear a single word from Palestinians or any other group or country in Sunni Arab world to say regarding this incident.

[aliasghark]

Granted that those who we're trying to help aren't grateful. Does this mean we stop helping?

Continuing to help the oppressed is not only the right thing to do, but also will lay bare for the general public to see who the oppressors and collaborators are (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc) and who the oppressed and supporters of the oppressed are (Palestine, Iran, etc).

The way I see it: as Hezbollah's support grew in Lebanon after it successfully fought the Israeli terrorists, so is Shia support likely to grow among Muslims as it becomes the main moral supporter of the Palestinians (and the rest of the middle east continues to succumb to Israeli/American corruption). As we become the strongest force against oppression, we would motivate and attract intellectual and discerning non-Shias to join us.

[Noah-]

aliasghark, on 15 May 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Granted that those who we're trying to help aren't grateful. Does this mean we stop helping?

Continuing to help the oppressed is not only the right thing to do, but also will lay bare for the general public to see who the oppressors and collaborators are (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc) and who the oppressed and supporters of the oppressed are (Palestine, Iran, etc).

The way I see it: as Hezbollah's support grew in Lebanon after it successfully fought the Israeli terrorists, so is Shia support likely to grow among Muslims as it becomes the main moral supporter of the Palestinians (and the rest of the middle east continues to succumb to Israeli/American corruption). As we become the strongest force against oppression, we would motivate and attract intellectual and discerning non-Shias to join us.

Bro, I have no idea what you are talking about? You have millions of Shias and other Sunnis who are oppressed for real and no one even know if they exist, but when it comes to Palestine then everyting is oppressed. How many Palestinians killed in last 60 years? Then how many other Muslims killed in other countries in last 60 years?

You need to define 'oppressed' first then make your judgment. An oppressed group will not be an oppressor the next day. Palestine claimed to be oppressed and received all the aids from Iran, but when Iraq attacked Iran and we all know that the only oppressor was Saddam.. then the same Palestinians stood by Saddam the oppressor... monafiq Arafat went to kiss his hands and show his support.

Today, Hamas in charge in Palestine claim to be oppressed, then Haniya (their PM) went to Bahrain a few months ago to shake hands with Al-Khalifa, laugh, chat and declare his support for the brutal king against peaceful protesters. At the mean time he said that, he does not want to visit Syria because Syrian government is killing his armed Salafi cousins because of sectarian reasons.

There are other examples where they support Al-Zarqawee who massacred Shias of Iraq and send Palestinian Jihadists from Jordan to participate in Shia killings of Iraqis.

If you consider these groups and people as oppressed one who need help, then you have  FUNNY way to describe oppressed people.

We (Shias) cannot help ourselves, millions of oppressed are everywhere who need help, but somehow are excited to help these kinds of people and label them as oppressed only to buy ourselves many more enemies and get nothing in return.

Edited by Noah-, 15 May 2012 - 12:54 PM.

[aliasghark]

Ok, yeah, you do have some very good points. Thanks.

Helping Palestinians is probably a good thing in general, but yes it should not be our #1 priority.

[Wahdat]

Kismet110, on 14 May 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

^^^

What is it with Shi'ah supporting Nasibis? Is there a single recorded instance of any Palestinian spokesman expresssing solidarity or support for the oppressed Muslims in Kashmir? Or the persecution of Shi'ah in Bahrain or Pakistan?

......or the Shia of Afghanistan who have been fighting oppression since way before Pakistan or Bahrain were even created- 1880s. In this case the whole shia community (from Najaf to Qom) is guilty as well....which has led me to belief that wars are racial and slogans religious.

aliasghark, on 15 May 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

Helping Palestinians is probably a good thing in general, but yes it should not be our #1 priority.

how does it go...? God helps those that help themselves...? Well, Palestinians in general are incapable of helping themselves or possess an iota of desire for true freedom. They simply make do with the foreign aid and are happy dancing in the tunes of being victims. Aid for Palestinians is a bad thing as it makes their case politicized and themselves lazy. The only aid Pals should get IMO is fellowship in Muslims universities- education. The rest should be their puzzle to figure out.

[aliasghark]

Well, what you're saying about the political aspects does make sense to an extent, but now if I imagine myself as a Palestinian teenager who's just lost my house and several members of my family in yet another of Israel's bombings, and don't know what to do or where to go from here - your words would sound very cold and heartless. I would lose whatever little aid comes in if you were in charge.

[Wahdat]

On their quest to achieve their aims, did a house or aid matter to Prophet or Imam Hussian or simply sheer will? The material acquisition or possession only slows you down and postpones you reaching your destination. Why do you think that the people of West Bank show no sign of resistance today if not because of their houses, tvs, washing machines, cars or universities etc?