Ruwayd, on 17 July 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:
Why are you not answering the questions I posed in my response to you? You just ignore them completely in your post. That is awfully ignorant and disrespectful of you. You make me feel like I'm wasting my time.
Wow it sounds like you are expecting — rather, demanding — an answer from me. I don't feel I'm the ignorant or disrespectful one.
Good luck on finding answers elsewhere. You aren't very inviting to a response, and don't seem to appreciate them anyways. QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS — Let's all learn about this guy so we can bash his beliefs!
I personally feel this has to do with the concept that since we are a minority, you treat us differently. Think about it — The Sunnis bash the Shias because they have a larger population. The larger sects of Shias go on to bash the smaller sects, simply because they are smaller. What is it that we are seeking? An act of importance? Can we not just act as an Ummah
? Imagine if all the Muslims would work together and accept each other as Muslims. Or even just the Shia Muslims accepting all the minority Shia sects under their cover. Imagine how strong we would be together, united. And in case you are wondering, that is what my faith teaches. Work together, united.
I am a Muslim. If I say "La Ilaha Illa Allah" five times a day (which is
true), then why can't you simply accept that I love the Prophet (saw) and accept Islam as my religion? I may practice it different than you. I may have different beliefs than you. But in the end, if I say I'm Muslim, I don't see what the big deal is.
In fact, if I say I'm Muslim, your judgement is already overruled because you wouldn't understand my relationship with Allah.
And just to be clear, religion is based on faith for a reason. All this authenticity is false anyways. The books of hadiths which lay at your house were given to you, or you bought them at some point. You simply have faith that they were once written that way. If I ask you how you know the ahadith are authentic, all you can say is that you have faith
that the population who upheld the tradition of recording the sayings and actions of the Prophet (saw) did a really good job of it. AND I agree
. Things were preserved extremely well, and this is why, Masha'Allah, we the Qur'an at our fingertips in this day and age. BUT it all started with this leap of faith.
I'm sorry that I did and will not answer your questions. I just feel that some people on this forum are not ready for it and others are simply immature. Like kids — let's argue about everything!
I don't enjoy debating. I have said this multiple times in multiple places on this forum when I was an active member a couple of years ago. I don't mind sharing my views to people who are willing to listen. I mean listen.
Like listen, then accept that is who they are, then move on. I'm not going to go around and try and claim you are wrong in your beliefs — I don't believe in that. The Prophet (saw) always respected his enemies, and so too did Imam Ali
— to the extent of even giving a glass of milk, if you recall, to Ibn Muljam.
Anyways enough said on my part. Go on, take this as a 'surrender' if you wish. I see strength in my speech, because Allahu Alam,
Allah knows best.
In the end it's not between you and I anyways. It's about me and my relationship with Allah
Ruwayd, on 17 July 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:
What evidence do you have (without referring to the hadith books that belong to Sunnis and Twelvers and thereby backup the beliefs of Sunnis and Twelvers and not Nizari Ismailis), that the Prophet (SAWS) interpreted the Qur'an in the same way that Nizari Ismailis do today, or in even a remotely similar fashion? The answer is none - since Nizari Ismailis didn't document the Sunnah of the Prophet (in the form of hadith books or otherwise), unlike the Sunnis and the Twelvers.
And just to say something to clear up the confusion, I hope you realize that at one point we were one Ummah. So there is no you and I, in my opinion. As a Muslim, those ahadith which you speak of are rightfully mine as much as they may be yours.
And if you're looking for something more individualistic, teachings which have been perserved amongst us are the Kalam-e-Mawla, the teachings of Imam Ali
. As for our Beloved Prophet (saw), we do rely on the rest of the Ummah, our fellow brothers and sisters of Islam,
and of course, how our present Imam describes the life of the Prophet (saw).
Edited by princevisram, 17 July 2012 - 11:59 PM.