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[ateef]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 25 April 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

what would iran do that would result in the killing of more shias?

how many times do you need to be told simple to understand english before it enters your skull that nobody is asking for irans military intervention? and that there are hundreds of peaceful, effective ways that iran could help?

the blood in our veins is a gift for the leader!

[REMOVED]... You Signature Consists Ali..And Unity With Sunni Is Against Islam...

Seriously Brother you are'nt any good.. and hereafter you shall be one of the losers if you profess such beliefs..I must Say you must read more About Ali and his Ways...

And Unity With ones who divide is Against Islam...

Edited by Replicant, 26 April 2012 - 05:47 AM.
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[Maula Dha Mallang]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

[REMOVED]... You Signature Consists Ali..And Unity With Sunni Is Against Islam...

Seriously Brother you are'nt any good.. and hereafter you shall be one of the losers if you profess such beliefs..I must Say you must read more About Ali and his Ways...

And Unity With ones who divide is Against Islam...

i have done more for islam than you wver will.

screw the umar loving sunni, may Allah send all the rejectors of wilayat to hell with their precious umar. unity is BS

Edited by Replicant, 26 April 2012 - 05:47 AM.

[ateef]

Hmmn that Allah Knows The Best.. Who has done more and in what ways.. And what he has done..

I have done more for Islam than you ever will.--->>>> This really made me laugh... Yes thats what you have done or what, to divide plant hatred.. mislead others...And above all, A Cat closes his eyes and eats and thinks no one has seen...

[REMOVED]...Its not abt Umar we need to focuss ...Its About Islam...

Edited by Replicant, 26 April 2012 - 05:48 AM.
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[Maula Dha Mallang]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

[REMOVED]..Its not abt Umar we need to focuss ...Its About Islam...

what happened to unity again....  ?

Kismet110, on 26 April 2012 - 04:18 AM, said:

Question is futility & facade of WeF and it's absurd claim to represent all the world's Shi'ah as well as the 12th Imam (ajtf).

ALI

does khamenei claim to be leader of all the worlds shia? yes

has he helped or benefitted in any way the pakistani people? no

is he therefore a failure in the role he himself described? yes.

what is so difficult about these 3 questions that you WFers cannot grasp?

Edited by Replicant, 26 April 2012 - 05:48 AM.

[ateef]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 26 April 2012 - 04:41 AM, said:

what happened to unity again....  ?

Brother Listen, as you said you have done a lot good in the way of Islam, thats a nice thing, I appreciate That..I was not hindering your part..just trying to give it a more shine...Trust me.. A shine...

As you know doing good we are not doing a favour on sum1else but yes on ourselves..Just Give a though about it Brother, There is nothing called Shia/ Sunni Islam..Its just Islam...And thats what you have to seek,,, Alhamdullah..

my religion is nothing but love and hate in equal measure

My deen is Love For my Brethen Irespective of Shia/ Sunni and My Hatred is for Infidels and Division Makers.

And In Equal ratio.
Would Apprecaite If You change your Signature..

Edited by ateef, 26 April 2012 - 07:51 AM.

[Gypsy]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

Brother, There is nothing called Shia/ Sunni Islam..Its just Islam...And thats what you have to seek,,, Alhamdullah..

Not true.

There is Sunni, there is Salaf, there is Shia, there is Zaydia, there is Ismaili, there is Alawi and a variety of other sects in Islam.

Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they don't exist.

[ateef]

Gypsy, on 26 April 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

Not true.

There is Sunni, there is Salaf, there is Shia, there is Zaydia, there is Ismaili, there is Alawi and a variety of other sects in Islam.

Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Yes, true Brother I know.. Its Just that i do not want to jot down So many sects

.Yes they exist and In them Exists Islam...I see them and speak to them and hear about them too...

Its Like a Plantation Of the most beautiful flowers, Differ In some things, The way they bloom, They way They Smell, They Way they Look....

Just that they have forgotten the Surface/Earth/Ground on which they have bloomed Its ISLAM.  This Plantation Is On It.

Allah...The One Most Merciful and Most Compassionate  Is their Lord..

And All Believe in One Elah...

Salaam

Edited by ateef, 26 April 2012 - 08:16 AM.

[Gypsy]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Yes, true Brother I know.. Its Just that i do not want to jot down So many sects...Yes they exist and In them Exists Islam...I see them and speak to them and hear about them too...

Just because you don't want to jot them down, doesn't mean others should follow suit.

I like talking about other sects. Most of the other sects are peacefully co-existing in the Muslim world.

But I would be lying if I say the Sunnah sects (including the Salafis, Wahhabis) are not prosecuting us, Shia.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ateef there is no other islam, but 12er islam. the rest are false.

denying wilayat, that the prophet hinself demanded we do, makes one a kaffir.

there are jahil non shia, treat them like the mentally infirm and be kind to them.

there are those who knowingly reject, because they hate maula ali . kill their men where you find them if you can get away with it, there is reward in it for you. leave their women, children and weak ones to god.

i hate unity.

i hate people who preach unity.

go ahead and prove me wrong.

[ateef]

Gypsy, on 26 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Just because you don't want to jot them down, doesn't mean others should follow suit.

I like talking about other sects. Most of the other sects are peacefully co-existing in the Muslim world.

But I would be lying if I say the Sunnah sects (including the Salafis, Wahhabis) are not prosecuting us, Shia.

I am well aware Of that too...But look at the  Major part..the Ones Who are prosecuting are the pests, the planted ones and then these planted one are the ones growing the ones who prosecute...
Brother patience, Things shall change, When they recognise the base of plantation...

Maula Dha Mallang, on 26 April 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

ateef there is no other islam, but 12er islam. the rest are false.

denying wilayat, that the prophet hinself demanded we do, makes one a kaffir.

there are jahil non shia, treat them like the mentally infirm and be kind to them.

there are those who knowingly reject, because they hate maula ali . kill their men where you find them if you can get away with it, there is reward in it for you. leave their women, children and weak ones to god.

i hate unity.

i hate people who preach unity.

go ahead and prove me wrong.

Ok. Fine....Tell me who is first In twelver Imams..The Start..Is It Imam Ali???

Edited by ateef, 26 April 2012 - 08:29 AM.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

Ok. Fine....Tell me who is first In twelver Imams..The Start..Is It Imam Ali???

prophet adam

[ateef]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 26 April 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

prophet adam

Ateef there is no other islam, but 12er islam. the rest are false.

Saying others are false did hit me..

Ok Now Jot Down the 12 here please...In Proper Order...Ok Let Me Do For You...

600–661

Ali ibn Abu Talib
Hasan ibn Ali
Husayn ibn Ali
Ali ibn al-Hussein
Muhammad ibn Ali
Ja'far ibn Muhammad
Musa ibn Ja'far
Ali ibn Musa
Muhammad ibn Ali
Ali ibn Muhammad
Hassan ibn Ali
Muhammad ibn al-Hassan  

868

Am i Correct??? Come On i am waiting for You Mr.. You told me to prove you wrong...I am not going to prove you wrong but give you some sense..

Edited by ateef, 26 April 2012 - 08:52 AM.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

Ok Now Jot Down the 12 here please...In Proper Order...Ok Let Me Do For You...

600–661

Ali ibn Abu Talib
Hasan ibn Ali
Husayn ibn Ali
Ali ibn al-Hussein
Muhammad ibn Ali
Ja'far ibn Muhammad
Musa ibn Ja'far
Ali ibn Musa
Muhammad ibn Ali
Ali ibn Muhammad
Hassan ibn Ali
Muhammad ibn al-Hassan  

868

Am i Correct??? Come On i am waiting for You Mr.. You told me to prove you wrong...I am not going to prove you wrong but give you some sense..

did you not read my last post?

[ateef]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 26 April 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

did you not read my last post?

Who  are the twelvers You Believe in thats what i am asking... If you cannot reply accept your defeat..and your thinking is wrong..Or Else take the help of your Twelver Shias..

Edited by ateef, 26 April 2012 - 08:55 AM.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Who  are the twelvers You Believe in thats what i am asking... If you cannot reply accept your defeat..and your thinking is wrong..Or Else take the help of your Twelver Shias..

the shia belief is that from adam till qiyaamat there has always, and will always be a hujja upon earth. they may be a nabi, they may be a rasul, they may be an imam. there is no moment where there is not at least 1 on earth at any time.

one of the ways that all divinely appointed leaders testified the truth of their leadership, was to testify the wilayat of ameerul momineen after the oneness of Allah and prophethood of the holy prophet.

so adam was the first.

go on.

[ateef]

I am still being specific Of the twelve...Why do not you tell the wiki to cahnge some things..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver
Should I take It as you are not sure which twelve are there.. Or is a Man Made Belief???

Anyways you are just giving me One ...thats Prophet Adam(Peace Be Upon Him) where are the rest...????

Edited by ateef, 26 April 2012 - 09:04 AM.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

I am still being specific Of the twelve...Why do not you tell the wiki to cahnge some things..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver

Anyways you are just giving me One ...thats Prophet Adam(Peace Be Upon Him) where are the rest...????

you expect me to list all 124,000 prophets names and their successors names from adam to the awaited imam ?

there are 12 imams after the prophet . they were not the "first" imams....they are the "final" imams

[ateef]

Maula Dha Mallang, on 26 April 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

you expect me to list all 124,000 prophets names and their successors names from adam to the awaited imam ?

there are 12 imams after the prophet . they were not the "first" imams....they are the "final" imams

Ok thats Better... So Basically the Twelver theory revolves Around The Imams after Prophet(peace Be with him)... I am sure being a Shia It does not Include...Abu Bakr, Uthman and Umar...Isnt It...
So who are your Final Imams and I am sure you will be able to tell me..

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ateef, on 26 April 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

Ok thats Better... So Basically the Twelver theory revolves Around The Imams after Prophet(peace Be with him)... I am sure being a Shia It does not Include...Abu Bakr, Uthman and Umar...Isnt It...
So who are your Final Imams and I am sure you will be able to tell me..

gods curse upon the false claimants to divinely appointed positions.

you know who my 12 final imams are, you just listed them yourself.

go on.

[Kismet110]

I get the feeling this thread has gone a little O/T ....

ALI

[Maula Dha Mallang]

Kismet110, on 26 April 2012 - 09:11 AM, said:

I get the feeling this thread has gone a little O/T ....

ALI

homeboy doesnt realise theres a reason non shia are too scared to debate with shia. let him try lol he will learn soon enough

mods: please can you split these last posts into another thread? maybe in shia/ sunni forum?

[Gypsy]

ateef,
are you a follower of the Imams of ahl al-bayt?

It wouldn't make sense that you are teaching us about our religion when you are not even a Shia.

[ateef]

Ali ibn Abu Talib
Hasan ibn Ali
Husayn ibn Ali
Ali ibn al-Hussein
Muhammad ibn Ali
Ja'far ibn Muhammad
Musa ibn Ja'far
Ali ibn Musa
Muhammad ibn Ali
Ali ibn Muhammad
Hassan ibn Ali
Muhammad ibn al-Hassan

Ok Did Imam Ali (Peace Be With Him) believed In twelver theory ??? I mean he was a Twelver Shia ???


I am not related to any school of thought..Its Just Islam..Simply Islam..

Edited by ateef, 26 April 2012 - 09:20 AM.

[Gypsy]

ateef,
There are hadith from the Holy Prophet about the 12 Imams. The Prophet raised Ali as the first Imam on the day of ghadeer.

No wonder you were pushing for the equality  among the sects. All you are interested is for us Shias to abandon our pure faith so we can be among the misguided sects?

No thank you,

Edited by Gypsy, 26 April 2012 - 09:21 AM.

[ateef]

Gypsy, on 26 April 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

ateef,
There are hadith from the Holy Prophet about the 12 Imams. The Prophet raised Ali as the first Imam on the day of ghadeer.

No wonder you were pushing for the equality  among the sects. All you are interested is for us Shias to abandon our pure faith so we can be among the misguided sects?

No thank you,

@ Maula Dha malangg Ok Did Imam Ali (Peace Be With Him) believed In twelver theory ??? I mean he was a Twelver Shia ??? Thats My question. I am Not pushing you anywhere ...I never told you to abandon your faith. Keep It..
But Do Not Accuse Others...Just Trying to make this friend act sensibly...and not to curse others...

@ Maula answer properly...i ahve kept you at a place where even u go forward is a problem and even come backward..

If You say a Lie..You shall regret it..So Answer my question Honestly...

Edited by ateef, 26 April 2012 - 09:29 AM.