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[ThE-Samz]

salaam alaikum brothers and sisters,

i was in a lecture today and the lecturer talked about an incident.
he said, during yazid(la)'s caliphate, abdullah ibn umar went to yazid(la) and told him that the way he was abusing ahlulbayt because they didnt give bay'ah or allegiance to him was wrong and haraam. Yazid (la) then went and took out a letter and give it to Abdullah ibn umar and told him that this is the letter your father umar gave to my father muawiyah(la). In that letter, umar had described amongst other thing, what the plan was to force bay'ah from ahlulbayt to Abu bakr and what happened that night.

Apparently in that letter, umar describes what the plan was on how to force ahlulbayt to give allegiance to Abu bakr and also describes what happened when they carried out the plan, including the abuse he(umar) gave to lady Fatima(AS), as in how he burnt down the door and pushed it onto her.

IS this true? did umar right a letter to muawiyah (la) describing all this stuff. any references?

Your help will be appreciated jazkallah.

wa-salaam

[Auqab]

I have heard similar versions from some zakirs.....dont know how much of it is true.

[Shia_Debater]

Bump

[ThE-Samz]

 Shia_Debater, on 25 April 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

Bump

???

[Shia_Debater]

 khoja-sameer, on 25 April 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

???

Bump is basically what is usually written to bump up a topic, I did it so it comes to the top of the Prophets & AhlulBayt forum

[Aly ReZa]

why not?
Its obvious that 2 pepl of the same field almost has a good relation
So this both are lanatis only nothing wondering in this.

[ThE-Samz]

 Shia_Debater, on 25 April 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Bump is basically what is usually written to bump up a topic, I did it so it comes to the top of the Prophets & AhlulBayt forum

Oh, thanks bro

 Aly ReZa, on 25 April 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

why not?
Its obvious that 2 pepl of the same field almost has a good relation
So this both are lanatis only nothing wondering in this.

well i was wondering ig its true, and if it is then why dont people mention this?
if it was true then sunnis would accept that umar did it.

[Aly ReZa]

 khoja-sameer, on 25 April 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Oh, thanks bro



well i was wondering ig its true, and if it is then why dont people mention this?
if it was true then sunnis would accept that umar did it.

do a thief say he is a thief??

[Dar'ul_Islam]

Sounds like a load of bullox, especially if there is no source attached to this. And by source I mean a real source...not something Zakirs (especially the Desi variety) say or something written hundreds of hundreds of years after the events/Era of the Imams [as].

Also unlikely because, If I recall correctly, Ibn `Umar was the first companion still alive to give bay`ah to Yazeed (لعنه الله)

في امانه

Edited by Dar'ul_Islam, 26 April 2012 - 02:54 AM.

[ThE-Samz]

 Dar, on 26 April 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

Sounds like a load of bullox, especially if there is no source attached to this. And by source I mean a real source...not something Zakirs (especially the Desi variety) say or something written hundreds of hundreds of years after the events/Era of the Imams [as].

Also unlikely because, If I recall correctly, Ibn `Umar was the first companion still alive to give bay`ah to Yazeed (لعنه الله)

في امانه

well i heard it in a lecture by marhum murtaza lakha's son. i ll try to find out if theres a reliable source.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

 khoja-sameer, on 26 April 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

well i heard it in a lecture by marhum murtaza lakha's son. i ll try to find out if theres a reliable source.

You should of approached the lecturer after his presentation? Or perhaps you didn't have time or the question slipped your mind?

I have never heard of this personally Brother. InshAllah more knowldebable people than I will respond and provide answers.

[ThE-Samz]

 Ali , on 26 April 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

You should of approached the lecturer after his presentation? Or perhaps you didn't have time or the question slipped your mind?

I have never heard of this personally Brother. InshAllah more knowldebable people than I will respond and provide answers.

Yh i forgot to approach him, and i think he left anyways. yh i have never heard of this myself and i cant find any sources on the internet yet. there are some on the incident i mentioned above, of abdullah bin umar sending a letter to yazid (la) about him committing a grave sin by killing imam hussain and yazid (la) replies telling him that his father did similar by abusing ahlulbayt . and from then on abdullah bin umar supported yazid (la). but theres no mention if the letter from umar to muawiyah (la)

[md. ammar ali]

why is it in this forum ???


neither umar nor muawiya (la) are ahlulbayt or prophets


this can be in s-s debate forum i guess

[ThE-Samz]

 varun loves ahlulbayt, on 26 April 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

why is it in this forum ???


neither umar nor muawiya (la) are ahlulbayt or prophets


this can be in s-s debate forum i guess

well it was concerning lady fatima (sa), i didnt knw where to put it.