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[.InshAllah.]

VIDEO OF CBS REPORT: http://www.cbsnews.c...ch/?id=7406228n

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A follow up to our story on the Christians of Palestine. We mentioned that Bob Simon of 60 Minutes was going to do a report on Christians in the Holy Land and I have to say he did a pretty good job.

He covered the plight of Christians in the Holy Land and how there has been a slow exodus over the past few decades due to Israeli occupation policies. He also covered the Kairos initiative and how that is making inroads within Palestinian society.
Most intriguingly, Bob Simon lays the smack down on Israeli Ambassador to the US, Michael Oren at the 11 minute mark. Oren also does some blame shifting, saying that it is Muslims who are persecuting Christians not Israelis:
Veteran CBS News correspondent Bob Simon experienced something while reporting a “60 Minutes” piece last night, that he’d never before. His story was on Christian residents leaving the Holy Land and the causes behind it: Islamic extremism? Israeli occupation? or something more? Simon interviewed clerics from the Orthodox, Catholic and Lutheran faiths, also Palestinian residents of the West Bank, and Israel’s ambassador to the U.S., Dr.Michael Oren. But Oren didn’t like the premise of the story and called Simon’s boss, CBS News chairman and “60 Minutes” EP Jeff Fager long before it story aired.

“Mr. Ambassador, I’ve been doing this a long time and I’ve received lots of reactions from just about everyone I’ve done stories about. But I’ve never gotten a reaction before from a story that hasn’t been broadcast yet,” said Simon. “Well, there’s a first time for everything, Bob,” said the ambassador.

source: http://www.loonwatch...r-michael-oren/

[Wahdat]

The Israeli government tried to do away with broadcasting the segment but seems they simply watered it down.

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Officials in the Prime Minister's Office said that, on the contrary, the attempts to affect the article proved successful. "The broadcast of the article was delayed for several weeks because they reexamined the entire report," officials said. "The article was malignant and harmful, but the wording was much softer than in the original version."

http://www.haaretz.c...stians-1.426118

[Gypsy]

I was watching 60 minutes and saw the segment. Most of the Christians have moved out from the Holy Land.

Edited by Gypsy, 24 April 2012 - 08:22 PM.

[Saintly_Jinn23]

Gypsy, on 24 April 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

I was watching 60 minutes and saw the segment. Most of the Christians have moved out from the Holy Land.

Christians really aren't treated too well in Israel when the cameras aren't rolling, Palestine doesn't have a suitable infrastructure to protect them and give patronage either like other Middle Eastern countries like Iran or Syria. There's just not much place for Christians in Judea anymore because of the conflicts between Jews and Muslims. Christians can't really side with either party without experiencing serious backlash so a lot of Christians in that part of the world are just trying to stay out of it, and the best way to do that is not to stand in the middle of it.

[A true Sunni]

Saintly_Jinn23, on 24 April 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

Christians really aren't treated too well in Israel when the cameras aren't rolling, Palestine doesn't have a suitable infrastructure to protect them and give patronage either like other Middle Eastern countries like Iran or Syria. There's just not much place for Christians in Judea anymore because of the conflicts between Jews and Muslims. Christians can't really side with either party without experiencing serious backlash so a lot of Christians in that part of the world are just trying to stay out of it, and the best way to do that is not to stand in the middle of it.

Israel doesnt discriminate against the Palestinians because they are Muslim . They discriminate against them because the Palestinians occupied the land that is currently Israel. Christians haven't the option to take sides. Its america media that portrays it as a muslim jewish problem with christians caught in the middle.

Christians are rapidly depopulating the holyland because they are being sponsored and aided to enable them to leave. In fact it is argued that this is actively aided by zionist elements because discrimination and persecution of Christians in the holyland is an embarrasment to western agencies

[Saintly_Jinn23]

A true Sunni, on 26 April 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Israel doesnt discriminate against the Palestinians because they are Muslim . They discriminate against them because the Palestinians occupied the land that is currently Israel. Christians haven't the option to take sides. Its america media that portrays it as a muslim jewish problem with christians caught in the middle.

Christians are rapidly depopulating the holyland because they are being sponsored and aided to enable them to leave. In fact it is argued that this is actively aided by zionist elements because discrimination and persecution of Christians in the holyland is an embarrasment to western agencies

I wasn't implying that Islamic extremists are to blame, just so you know.

I think you are ignoring some key facts, too. Palestine is not a very rich country, it can barely provide for its own Muslim citizens, let alone it's own Christian citizens. Also, when Palestine and Israel fight, how often are Christians actually involved in the fighting? I can't recall any incident where the actual military confrontations involved any Christians. The Palestinian Christians are not a strong force, whether they are on the Israeli side of the separation wall or the Palestinian side. They don't have the numbers to form a strong and influential movement on their own to fight for their rights and protect themselves. It's either stay in Palestine and barely s[Edited Out]e a living all while risking getting blown up by Israeli drone or coming home to see your home bulldozed or get treated like dirt and maybe live in a ghetto in Israel, which when the Western Christians that finance it aren't looking, has little regard for Christians in its land, let alone Palestinian ones. Palestine can't provide for the Christians, Israel doesn't want the Christians. For many Palestinian Christians, it's easier to "bear this cross," but for others, who have families and children to look after, it's much harder.

Also, what the 60 minutes segment fails to note (or perhaps it did not but was forced to cut it) was the fact that Israel often deports Palestinians from its borders and this certainly accounts for the reduction in native Christians, as they are often given eviction notices as well to control the Palestinian population's rise in numbers or financial success.

[Professor Higgins]

Actually Christians aree still about 12 % of the population in the West Bank, and probably about the same in "israel". They were probably around 25 % before 1948.

Christains throughout the Middle east have faced an exodus, not just in Palestine. Being a minority with little power, they feel vulnerable, that, and their better education and skills, encourages them to move out.

[Lanatin]

Professor Higgins, on 28 April 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

Actually Christians aree still about 12 % of the population in the West Bank, and probably about the same in "israel". They were probably around 25 % before 1948.

Christains throughout the Middle east have faced an exodus, not just in Palestine. Being a minority with little power, they feel vulnerable, that, and their better education and skills, encourages them to move out.

Better than who?

[Professor Higgins]

La, on 28 April 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

Better than who?

The local Muslims ( in most Arab countries)

[Lanatin]

Professor Higgins, on 28 April 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

The local Muslims ( in most Arab countries)

Proof?

[Professor Higgins]

La, on 28 April 2012 - 07:40 AM, said:

Proof?

Literacy rates.

[Lanatin]

Professor Higgins, on 28 April 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

Literacy rates.

Anything else? (list everything you can)

[Saintly_Jinn23]

Naturally, if you have the larger population, your literacy rates are gonna have more variation than the smaller and more tightly knit social groups.

[Ahmed Ismael]

Saintly_Jinn23, on 24 April 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

Christians really aren't treated too well in Israel when the cameras aren't rolling, Palestine doesn't have a suitable infrastructure to protect them and give patronage either like other Middle Eastern countries like Iran or Syria. There's just not much place for Christians in Judea anymore because of the conflicts between Jews and Muslims. Christians can't really side with either party without experiencing serious backlash so a lot of Christians in that part of the world are just trying to stay out of it, and the best way to do that is not to stand in the middle of it.

Saintly_Jinn23, on 28 April 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Naturally, if you have the larger population, your literacy rates are gonna have more variation than the smaller and more tightly knit social groups.

http://corpus.quran....pter=72&verse=1


http://abdurrahman.o...072-IFrame.html


http://www.qtafsir.c...d=55&Itemid=128


[ sic regard and English speaking Saintly Genius]

[Saintly_Jinn23]

Ahmed Ismael, on 02 May 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

http://corpus.quran....pter=72&verse=1


http://abdurrahman.o...072-IFrame.html


http://www.qtafsir.c...d=55&Itemid=128


[ sic regard and English speaking Saintly Genius]

What relevance does this have to the topic?

[Ahmed Ismael]

well "saintly Jinn" responded. established relational relevance