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[al-amiyr]

as_salaamu "alaykum

There is a Book that none could
touch
that none could
see
and that none could
know
except for the very few.

This Book called
That Book or The Scroll or just The Book
is made aware here for all the world who wants to know.

It was and is and will be the source of the knowledge of The Truthful Imaams of The Guidance

until the coming of The Last Imaam of The Time before The Day of Resurrection.

Let us hear what the renowned and unhidden Imaams of Guidance have said about This Knowledge.....inshaa allaah.

Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.): I am the son of the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.). I am aware of

The Book(al_kitaab) of Allah;

the Book in which lies the outset of creation and whatever to be created up to the Resurrection Day,

as well as the information about the heavens, and the earth, paradise and hell, and that of the past and future.

I know these matters as clearly as seeing my palm. Allah says: "In it there is the explanation of all things".
Teachings of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.)

056:077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur’aan
in a Hidden Book
None touches it except The Purified Ones
A revelation from The Lord of the Worlds.

to be continued inshaa allaah

wa "alaykumu_s_salaam

[Al-MuHammadee]

Now, you are coming to it! You claimed to know everying in that hidden book, and that none knows it except the imaams!

To get things clear, I will ask you again: do you possess the knowledge in that “hidden“ book?

[Qa'im]

قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ

[al-amiyr]

Al-MuHammadee, on 17 April 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

Now, you are coming to it! You claimed to know everying in that hidden book, and that none knows it except the imaams!

To get things clear, I will ask you again: do you possess the knowledge in that “hidden“ book?

My dear brother Al-MuHammadee you are such an eager brother to serve the truth. You remind me of Umr (raDiyallaahu anhu). If only you could listen before you speak
you will be such a great ambassador for all Islaam.ALL your questions I have already answered in the other threads. Just follow me and examine everything I am going
to speak about . inshaa allaah.....I am working on all the other threads as well and will soon post more information. Thanks for all the good words and remember that I take
notice of all of them. I am already teaching many brothers The Book(al_kitaab) whom I have met on this site and they are all amazed what they see.

I want you to remember this one important statement about The Book(al-kitaab) and it is this:

Be prepared for a journey across the origins of the dimensions
of
Space - Matter - Time

The Hidden Book!
What is The Hidden Book?
And what will explain to you what The Hidden Book is?

Those who will not look beyond
the vision of their own eyes
will remain forever in light blinded by the darkness.

But those whose minds
have been illuminated by knowledge
to them the darkness does not exist.

Nobody can be told what The Hidden Book is you like everyone else must see it for yourself.



Therefore let there be silence!
look listen learn
and
ponder
and then the understanding will be yours.

shukran and +salaam

Qa, on 17 April 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ

salaam+

Yes brother that what you have quoted from The Glorious Qur'aan is what must be asked from any one who present anything about What ALLAAH the Most high have said.

I translate it for all here. ALLAAH says in The Qur'aan,"Bring your(plural) proof if you were truthful"

And I would like to know from you what particularly are you referring to? So that I can give you an answer .....inshaa allaah.

+salaam

[Philip]

for the amount of talking you do, it's incredible how little you prove .. it looks like you haven't proven a single thing since you came in here ..

and you like to make big intros for yourself .. followed by hot air ..

eagerly awaiting your next steps ..

[al-amiyr]

al-amiyr, on 17 April 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

as_salaamu "alaykum

There is a Book that none could
touch
that none could
see
and that none could
know
except for the very few.

This Book called
That Book or The Scroll or just The Book
is made aware here for all the world who wants to know.

It was and is and will be the source of the knowledge of The Truthful Imaams of The Guidance

until the coming of The Last Imaam of The Time before The Day of Resurrection.

Let us hear what the renowned and unhidden Imaams of Guidance have said about This Knowledge.....inshaa allaah.

Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.): I am the son of the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.). I am aware of

The Book(al_kitaab) of Allah;

the Book in which lies the outset of creation and whatever to be created up to the Resurrection Day,

as well as the information about the heavens, and the earth, paradise and hell, and that of the past and future.

I know these matters as clearly as seeing my palm. Allah says: "In it there is the explanation of all things".
Teachings of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.)

056:077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur’aan
in a Hidden Book
None touches it except The Purified Ones
A revelation from The Lord of the Worlds.

to be continued inshaa allaah

wa "alaykumu_s_salaam

Let us hear further what Imaam Ja"far aS_Saadiq (P+) says about the Book(al_kitaab)

and

the almost shock of the audience(like the usual shock and reaction of the fools)

Al-Harith ibn al-Mughayrah quoting al-Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.) as saying:

Undoubtedly I am aware of what are in heavens, in the earth, paradise, and hell,

as well as of what has been actualized and what is going to be actualized.

The Imam(A.S.), then, paused for a while and,

finding out that this statement sounded a bit too heavy to the audience, continued:

I have found all this from The Book(al_kitaab) of Allah, the Almighty,

for Allah says:

"In it there is the explanation of all things".

to be continued inshaa allaah

wa "alaykumu_s_salaam

[al-amiyr]

Philip, on 17 April 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

for the amount of talking you do, it's incredible how little you prove .. it looks like you haven't proven a single thing since you came in here ..

and you like to make big intros for yourself .. followed by hot air ..

eagerly awaiting your next steps ..

You complain so much it is beyond comprehension. Everywhere you go you sound unreasonably out of touch with reality. Maybe you should
change your bright intro dress colour. "You look and sound like the lady in red" I am busy trying to present in this thread all the words I can find
what the Imaams of Guidance spoke about The Book (al_kitaab). You do not even show that respect. Put your uncalled for words between theirs.

[Al-MuHammadee]

al-amyr, you still have not answered my question: do YOU know what is in that “hidden“ book?

Please I want a YES or NO answer.

[Philip]

al-amiyr, on 17 April 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

You complain so much it is beyond comprehension. Everywhere you go you sound unreasonably out of touch with reality. Maybe you should
change your bright intro dress colour. "You look and sound like the lady in red" I am busy trying to present in this thread all the words I can find
what the Imaams of Guidance spoke about The Book (al_kitaab). You do not even show that respect. Put your uncalled for words between theirs.

you sound like a fraud .. again you didn't write anything of substance .. as expected ..

so is this what your hidden book teaches you? when cornered make fun of the people?? you think i can't make fun you you .. mr. self-imposed imam who considers himself so pure ?!?!? you're just a loser deceiver man !! you get lost and i suggest you write in the "research in new sects" section .. because you're just a new phenomenon .. a new ridiculous baseless scum kind of guy !!! get lost loser !!! go find another place to fool people .. if you can !!

and you still haven't answered my questions i asked you on the other thread you opened !!! what a loser !! i suggest you keep your fake hidden knowledge hidden you fool !

Al-MuHammadee, on 18 April 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

al-amyr, you still have not answered my question: do YOU know what is in that “hidden“ book?

Please I want a YES or NO answer.

don't expect a straight answer from a person who isn't straight

[al-amiyr]

Philip, on 18 April 2012 - 03:28 AM, said:

you sound like a fraud .. again you didn't write anything of substance .. as expected ..

so is this what your hidden book teaches you? when cornered make fun of the people?? you think i can't make fun you you .. mr. self-imposed imam who considers himself so pure ?!?!? you're just a loser deceiver man !! you get lost and i suggest you write in the "research in new sects" section .. because you're just a new phenomenon .. a new ridiculous baseless scum kind of guy !!! get lost loser !!! go find another place to fool people .. if you can !!

and you still haven't answered my questions i asked you on the other thread you opened !!! what a loser !! i suggest you keep your fake hidden knowledge hidden you fool !



don't expect a straight answer from a person who isn't straight

salaam

Don't worry the substance is coming. It is just being packaged into it's presentable wrapping.

Have a good day

[Philip]

^^ looking forwards.

have a good day

salaam

[Al-MuHammadee]

al-amyr has dodged my question again?!

Of course, if he says YES, he becomes a kaafir. But, if he says NO, his entire satanic enterprise on ShiaChat collapses.

[al-amiyr]

al-amiyr, on 17 April 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

as_salaamu "alaykum

There is a Book that none could
touch
that none could
see
and that none could
know
except for the very few.

This Book called
That Book or The Scroll or just The Book
is made aware here for all the world who wants to know.

It was and is and will be the source of the knowledge of The Truthful Imaams of The Guidance

until the coming of The Last Imaam of The Time before The Day of Resurrection.

Let us hear what the renowned and unhidden Imaams of Guidance have said about This Knowledge.....inshaa allaah.

Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.): I am the son of the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.). I am aware of

The Book(al_kitaab) of Allah;

the Book in which lies the outset of creation and whatever to be created up to the Resurrection Day,

as well as the information about the heavens, and the earth, paradise and hell, and that of the past and future.

I know these matters as clearly as seeing my palm. Allah says: "In it there is the explanation of all things".
Teachings of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.)

056:077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur’aan
in a Hidden Book
None touches it except The Purified Ones
A revelation from The Lord of the Worlds.

to be continued inshaa allaah

wa "alaykumu_s_salaam

al-amiyr, on 17 April 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

Let us hear further what Imaam Ja"far aS_Saadiq (P+) says about the Book(al_kitaab)

and

the almost shock of the audience(like the usual shock and reaction of the fools)

Al-Harith ibn al-Mughayrah quoting al-Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.) as saying:

Undoubtedly I am aware of what are in heavens, in the earth, paradise, and hell,

as well as of what has been actualized and what is going to be actualized.

The Imam(A.S.), then, paused for a while and,

finding out that this statement sounded a bit too heavy to the audience, continued:

I have found all this from The Book(al_kitaab) of Allah, the Almighty,

for Allah says:

"In it there is the explanation of all things".

to be continued inshaa allaah

wa "alaykumu_s_salaam

The Truthful words of The Truthful Imaams of True Guidance continued.
Please observe very carefully.

Imam al-Baqir(A.S.)

the Holy Prophet(S.A.W.) said to Ali(A.S.):

Write down what I dictate to you.

Ali (A.S.) said: O Rasul Allah are you afraid I may forget something?

The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) replied: I am not worried about you forgetting,

I have prayed to the Omnipresence of Allah to strengthen your memory and keep you away from forgetfulness;

write it, however, for your partners. Ali (A.S.) asked: Who are my partners O Rasul Allah!?

He replied: Those of your sons who are Imams;

it is for their blessings that it rains over my Ummah,

and in the light of their presence the prayer of them [the Ummah] is answered;

and Allah fends off calamities from the Ummah for their sake;

and with the blessings of their presence,

Mercy is showered from the heavens;

and he is the first of them,

pointing with his hand to al-Hasan ibn Ali(A.S.), then pointing to al-Husayn(A.S.)

he continued:

and his sons who are Imams.

Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.):

With us is something with which we have no need of people and it is people who need us.

With us is

a book (kitaab)

which the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.) has dictated and Ali (A.S.) has written in his own hand writing.

It is

a book (kitaab)

in which every lawful and unlawful is mentioned.

Abu al-Jarud quoting al-Imam al-Baqir(A.S.) as saying:

when al-Husayn ibn Ali (A.S.) was inflicted with what was supposed to inflict upon him,

he called his eldest daughter, Fatima bint al-Husayn

and gave her a sealed book and an open letter of testament,

and Ali ibn al-Husayn(A.S.) was suffering from such a painful stomach ache

that he was suspected to die.

Fatima bint al-Husayn handed the Book to Ali ibn al-Husayn(A.S.).

[Imam Baqir said:]

O Ziyad! I swear by Allah

that this book was transferred to us.

I said: May I be sacrificed to you,

what was brought up in this book?

He said: I swear to Allah,

whatever the offspring of Adam,

since the time of the creation of Adam to the end of the world, require;

I swear to Allah,

in it are included the penalties,

even the blood money for the slightest scratch.

Please be patient as we continue to listen to the evidence of the Imaams of Guidance speaking about The Existance of The 'Hidden' Book.
to be continued inshaa allaah

wa "alaykumu_s_salaam

056:077 - 080.
And truly it is a Noble Qur’aan
in a Hidden Book
None touches it except The Purified Ones
A revelation from The Lord of the Worlds.

[Al-MuHammadee]

You are contradicting yourself, aren't you?

You stated that that hidden book is NOT written physically on paper, but that it is in your brain. Now, see what you are writing?!

[al-amiyr]

Al-MuHammadee, on 18 April 2012 - 06:14 AM, said:

You are contradicting yourself, aren't you?

You stated that that hidden book is NOT written physically on paper, but that it is in your brain. Now, see what you are writing?!

salaam+

Let me see if I am contradicting myself. You have quoted from another thread in another context. Let us see.....inshaa allaah.

al-amiyr, on 07 April 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

wa "alaykum salaam  brother

There is a Book that is with the Imaams of guidance that none in the world has except them. It is the Book that The messenger of ALLAAH(P+) had dictated to "aliy(P+). It was passed on to  imaam hasan and imaam husayn.And then to
imaam "aliy(zaynu__"aabidiyn) and his two sons imaam muhammad al-baaqir and his brother imaam zayd.(read the discussion at the beginning of the Sahifa as-sajjaadiyyah between al-mutawakkil and imaam yahya ibn zayd . From there
it passed into the two family branches. The world is at a loss about this. From imaam muhammad al-baaqir it went to his son imaam ja"faru_S_Saadiq. and his sons until the twelfth imaam the one who went into hiding(P+ and all).
imaam zayd ibn "aliy who was loved by all the imaams was killed by the same family who killed his grandfather imaam husayn on karbala. He was most brutalised beheaded and crucified . His body remained naked on the cross for four years before the next Khalif ordered it to be taken down and the skeleton burned and scattered into the Euphrates river.   The Book then passed on to his son imaam yahyaa ibn zayd .   But he was also killed ,beheaded and crucified naked like his father but  for six years.. From there it passed on to his younger brother imaam "iysaa ibn zayd and he had to flee for his life from the rulers. From there it passed on to his son imaam ahmad al-mukhtafiy(the hidden). He was called the hidden because the government was looking for him and hunting him down wherever they thought he might be.From there it passed on to his son imaam muhammad abdullaah and then to his son imaam ahmad al-khafiy(the completely hidden).

His descendants then went to the land of the turks and finally settled in sisawa among the khashnaw tribe of the kurds. Always keeping their identity hidden from the world but continually teaching. About three hundred years later arosea twelfth descendant of imaam zayd ibn imaam "aliy ibn imaam husayn ibn imaam "aliy.He was abuw naSr al-amiyr sulaymaan al-ghaaziy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy.He opened a school and donated all his lands as a waqf in sisawa near arbil iraq in 523 a.h.or 1128, The school went on through his descendants (all imaams one after the other and all passing on the secret Book . 700 years later(in 1831) the shool was burned down and imaam abuw muhammad was killed and beheaded.
It was then passed on to his son who is known to the world as The Shaykh of Knowledge and The Shaykh of Islaam as-sayyid abdullaah abuw bakr effendi al-khushnaawiy al-qurashiy al-amjadiy.

The shaykh of knowledge as he became known was an advisor like his ancestors to the sultans of the ottoman empire. In 1862 (at a request of queen victoria) by sultan abdul aziz the shaykh was sent to cape town south africa to re-establish islaam. He died in 1880 and is buried on the world famous lion shaped mountain next to the world famous Table Mountain(now declared by humanty as a natural seventh wonder of the world) During the passed ten years members of the turkish government came to south africa (including prime minister erdogan and foreign minister davutoglu) and one of the first requests was to go to the grave of The shaykh of knowledge. The foregn minister told me personally and in public that in turkey they  call south africa "the land of shaykh abu bakr effendi"

At this very moment there are books being wriiten making known again to the world this hidden family of imaams of ahl_l_bayt through the line of zayd ibn ali.Now this shaykh of knowledge was my great grandfather and the hidden book has passed on to us, And the time has now arrived to give it to the world . It is coming wether the shaytaan and his allies hate it or not. And it is going to shake the world. The date before Chrismas  December 2012... inshaa allaah to everything.  If you want i can give you the evidence from the qur'aan and hadiyth and imaams about this hidden book. At least you could give a hearing to see for yourself.This is only a short explanation to what you wanted to know from and about me.

shukran brother and salaam

So you see brother I did say that this book passed on physically. But you have always been hasty from the beginning. This Book that has been passed on as such
is not the Entire Hidden Book .It is the programme of The 'Hidden' Book which is passed on and after it has been studied it becomes lodged into our brains and
then we have access to The Book(al-kitaab) which ALLAAH has revealed fromtime to time.And this is the Book which I am going to present to whomever wants to learn it.
Many are learning it already. Don't be left out. Seek it and you shall see .....inshaa allaah.

+salaam

[al-amiyr]

continued from above posts #1 #6 and #13

first read above to continue

al-amiyr, on 17 April 2012 - 06:22 PM, said:

Let us hear further what Imaam Ja"far aS_Saadiq (P+) says about the Book(al_kitaab)

and

the almost shock of the audience(like the usual shock and reaction of the fools)

Al-Harith ibn al-Mughayrah quoting al-Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.) as saying:

Undoubtedly I am aware of what are in heavens, in the earth, paradise, and hell,

as well as of what has been actualized and what is going to be actualized.

The Imam(A.S.), then, paused for a while and,

finding out that this statement sounded a bit too heavy to the audience, continued:

I have found all this from The Book(al_kitaab) of Allah, the Almighty,

for Allah says:

"In it there is the explanation of all things".

to be continued inshaa allaah

wa "alaykumu_s_salaam

Let us continue to Hear The Earth Shaking Words of The Imaams to whom ALLAAH sent Knowledge from The Book(al-kitaab)

The Imaams we have already quoted above associated with The 'Hidden' Book.
imaam "aliy ibn 'abiy Taalib(P+)
imaam al_ hasan ibn "aliy(p+)
imaam al_husayn ibn "aliy(P+)
imaam "aliy ibn al_husayn(P+)
imaam muhammad al_baaqir ibn "aliy(P+)
imaam ja'faru_S_Saadiq ibn muhammad al_baaqir(P+)

Al-Imam Ali (A.S.):

With us are the keys to knowledge,

the doors of wisdom, the clarity of the events, and the sound judgment.

Imam al-Baqir (A.S.):

We are a household whose knowledge is from Allah's Knowledge;

and we have adopted from His Wisdom and heard a speaker of truth;

so if you follow us you will be rightly guided.

Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.):

Ali ibn Abi Talib's(A.S.) knowledge is from that of the Messenger of Allah(S.A.W.).

Thus, what we know is what he has taught us.

Mu ammar ibn Khallad:

An Iranian man asked al-Imam Musa al-Kazim(A.S.):

Do you know of the Unseen?

He replied: Al-Imam al-Baqir (A.S.) has said:

Knowledge opens up to us and we become aware

or it closes down and we don't become aware.
The Imam (A.S.) said:

Allah trusts Divine secret to Jibra'il,

and Jibra'il trusts it to Muhammad (S.A.W.)

and he [Muhammad (S.A.W.)] trusts it to whomever Allah wishes.

Imam al-RiDaa' (A.S.):

Whenever Allah appoints a servant for the affairs of His servants,

He opens up the formers chest for this task,

leads to his heart the springs of wisdom,

inspires knowledge to him to perfection,

and he is no longer desperate in giving responses,

nor is he confused in recognizing the right.

He is infallible and confirmed (by Allah), and guided, and immunized from any flaw, slip, and failure.

Allah has assigned him to these affairs so that he is the proof to His servants and evidence to His creation;

"Such is the Bounty of Allah, which He bestows on whom He will:

And Allah is Lord of the highest bounty"(62:7).

Imam al-Haadiy (A.S.):

Allah does not reveal His unseen to anyone except to the messenger that He chooses.

What is with the Messenger is with the scholar too,

and what the Messenger is aware of,

his successors are aware of too,

so that the earth would not be lacking a Hujjah,

and there is a science with him which testifies his words and certifies his justice.

inshaa allaah more to come proving the existence of The Hidden Book.
wa "alaykumu_s_salaam

[al-amiyr]

Let us continue

The Imaams (in green) we have already quoted above associated with The 'Hidden' Book.
(01)-imaam "aliy ibn 'abiy Taalib(P+)-----------------------------------V
(02)-imaam al_ hasan ibn "aliy(p+)-------------------------------------V
(03)-imaam al_husayn ibn "aliy(P+)------------------------------------V
(04)-imaam "aliy ibn al_husayn(P+)------------------------------------V
(05)-imaam muhammad al_baaqir ibn "aliy(P+)----------------------V
(06)-imaam ja'faru_S_Saadiq ibn muhammad al_baaqir(P+)-------V
(07)-imaam muwsaa al_kaadhim ibn ja"faru_S_saadiq--------------V
(08)-imaam "aliy ar_riDaa' ibn muwsaa al_kaadhim-----------------V
(09)-imaam muhammad al_jawaad ibn "aliy ar_riDaa'---------------V
(10)-imaam "aliy al_Haadiy ibn muhammad al_jawaad--------------V
(11)-imaam hasan al_askariy ibn "aliy al_Haadiy--------------------V
?
?
?
(12)muhammad al_maHdiy ibn (Muslims disagree as to who the father of The MaHdiy is)

---(Accoding to our Shia twelver school brothers he is the son of the eleventh imaam hasan al_askariy ibn "aliy al_Haadiy)
---and he went into occultation and he shall return to the earth when the time is right for him to return)

---(According to our Sunni brothers he will be the a descendant of imaam "aliy.
---Some say through imaam al-hasan and others say through imaam al-husayn and others say it is a false concept)

---(There are various other schools  I have not mentioned as well as other schools which are now said to be extinct.)

---(According to the school of my fore fathers The MaHdiy will culminate like Yuwsuf(P+) ,Daawud(P+) and "Aliy(P+)
---He will rise upon the Earth like a great warrior and combine the functions of: Imaam, Amiyr and Khaliyfah.
---He will be the twelth of the imaams, the twelfth of the Amiyrs and the twelfth of the Khaliyfahs.
---All nations will find something in him ;and he will teach the whole world;and rule for seven years and then be killed.)

---And ALLAAH alone is The All_Knower.

But nevertheless we must bring all our Muslim brothers closer together at all times by continues discussion.....insh allaah.
Always giving the correct belief of the other without any distortions. Then there will be no ill feeling among Muslims and
respect and tolerance could be developed and a great opportunity to discuss one's own views.And then we can turn our
whole Muslim World into One United State called Islaamiyyaa. And then We Muslims can again become the great people
that ALLAAH meant us to be as we serve him and Him Alone.....inshaa allaah. This can be done if we want it to be done.
And always we say inshaa allaah and if we forget we say "Our Lord guide us nearer than this to the right way"

The other option is Awful Doom with the result that we will be thrown into the fire of Hell ALLAAH has prepared for the 99.9%.

That is why the dicussion of The Book (al-kitaab) is so important. If The Book (al-kitaab) is understood we will understand the right way.
For that is what ALLAAH says in the Qur'aan, which is the last revelation of ALLAAH to humanity explaning The Book (al-kitaab).

Here is just a small introduction for you what The Kitaab is. Refect over it  and ask possitive questions and I shall answer.
Reflect over it well! Don't read fast! You must understand and reflect over every word and sentence.
Remember it is not The kitaab it is just a description. The The Book of ALLAAH is a mathematical program designed by ALLAAH that generated
the entire universe up to how far he has designed it.Beyond it lies The Mother or The Matrix of The Book from which The book originates.
If you have knowledge of the Book you will understand what you would want to understand.
Imaam ja'faru_S_Saadiq(P+) once said that the Kitaab has 72 dimensions and the one who had knowledge of the book in the story of
sulaymaan(P+) had only two dimensions of knowledge of it and he was able to bring the throne within the twinkling of an eye from over a thousand
kilometers away. That is but a dot of The Kitaab. I am willing to sacrifice my life as always to teach all this Book.

Here is just an introduction in words of the Kitaab (the Book).

The Kitaab (The Book) is The Program through which the Lord generated the universe.

It is called AliF LaaM_MiyM Raa(ALMR) and has two dimensions (A_L_M) and (A_L_R).

It is coming inshaa allaah.(Weather here or somewhere else).

What would you see if you were in an enclosed room and the lights were switched off or the power suddenly failed?

What would you see?

What would you see if the earth upon which you live and the sun and the moon and the stars

and everything else in the universe and the rest of existence were suddenly to disappear?

What do you think you would see?

Whatever you may say or whatever your thoughts might be there is one certainty and that is that you would see nothing.

You would most certainly find yourself at the apparent centre of a surrounding world of absolute nothingness,

an infinite omnipresent world of darkness appearing as a solid sheet of blackness in all directions.

Take it for now that it was once like that and that ALLAAH alone had existed (- And truly He did -).

And that His existence was the abode of the whole realm of The Infinite Nothingness (- And truly it was -).

Needing nothing and eternal. Independant of space_ matter_time. Then!

WHY did He create and not leave the nothing?

WHERE was the PLACE in which He had created when there was nowhere that He was not?

And

WHAT was THAT from which He had created when there was nothing that was besides Him?

Lo and behold!

It ALL began by His wish and command and then

-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-1-

and from them

the whole invisible matterless one-dimensional and infinite decimal number line

represented by LaaMMMMMMMMMM....( The qur'anic letter LAAM )

came into being in the zero-dimensional LLLLLLLLLL( the L in the quranic letter Laam).

Thousands and millions and billions of numbers

one after the other without end.

LaMMMMMMMMMM... in the LLLLLLLLLL... the LLLLLLLLLL... containing the LaaMMMMMMMMMM...

By centralisation (around the axis forming quranic letter called 'ALiF in the L)

and single revolution ( the quranic spiral letter called Yaa )

around the chosen ONE (represented by the quranic letters baa' and daal)

the numbers were transformed and stood motionless and mum as concentric circles

each represented by M (the quranic circular letter MiyM).

Thousands and millions and billions of one-dimensional circles(miym+) one after the other without end.

MiyM+MiyM+MiyM+MiyM+MiyM+MiyM+MiyM+MiyM+MiyM+MiyM+... in the LaMMMMMMMMMM... in the L...

infinite one-dimensional circles called MIYM+...

in an infinite one dimensional line called LAAM.

All from and around a common origin called Alif.

Forming the great natural number line called

Alif LAAMMMMMMMMMM.

All standing and directed and awaiting the call to life and be guided by

The Wise Book Alif LaaMMiyM (y = mx + L).

All in submission and in the name of ALLAAH on the straight road from the beginning to the end.

See and learn how ALLAAH began His creation

from the thousands and millions and billions of surrounding MiyMs in the Laam collectively called the water (al-maa').

See how by His command

they were infused with movement(vowelisation = a - i - u / aa - iy - uw) called life.

See how by His command

they were stratified

and how their directions and their revolutions and their oscillations

became the shapes and the sounds and the names of

His chosen symbols (aayaat)

(the huruwf or the letters of the hebrew and arabic alphabets).

See how by His command

all the actions and the interactions and the combinations of His symbols

formed and became the verbs and all the words of His perfect language of communication.

And See how by His command

the pen was ordered

and The Book (al_kitaab) was written and The Reading /Recitation (al_qur'aan) was begun.

And behold it is with Him on His throne which is over the waters.

And then by His command

the heavens and the earth and what is between them were all brought into existence.

And by His command one following the other

we have become the humans full of contemplation and wondering

as to the meaning of it all and as to where we and everything else had come from.

And as to where we and everything else are heading.

This is only a description.
Like a computer program that is made up of only numbers bur generates what is here in front of you is
but a small similarity of The BooK (al-kitaab).
Learn it! You shall not regret it!

[Al-MuHammadee]

I do not need that rubbish, al-amyr. Allaah and His Messenger are sufficient for me. Like I have been saying, your new knowledge is REJECTED and useless, and is pure heresy.

[Philip]

OK, i am following your statements here & ask you to clarify certain points:

1 . Tell us more about the Alif .. you skipped that one, which you say is the original one ..

2. Why is Laam zero dimensional and Myim one dimensional ?? how can it be one-dimensional if you refer to it as a "number line"?

3 . why, according to you did Allah chose decimal system consisting of 9 letter symbols (personally i believe Allah uses all systems, and in DNA for instance we have binary system used )

3 . so you're saying that the the laam starts to spin around the alif in one rotation, and this created the yaah?? how is that possible, and what is the significance of this?

4. you said that baa and daal are the chosen ONES ?? chosen for what ?? and how were they created according to you?

5. you say that meem as created from motionless numbers?? how are numbers in motion, especially if they are in one dimension?

6. you say that meems are concentric circles on the number line .. first of all .. circles of what? and they are concentric (encircling) what ?

7. you say that there are millions and billions of meems on the infinite number line .. i believe saying infinite is more accurate .. next to infinity even billions is zero ..

8. you claim that this number line including the alif. laam and meems is called Alif Laam .. and that billions of the meems surrounding will create al maa2 .. or water ..

9. you claim that from movement = vowels are created .. and that this equals to life .. how can there be movement if it's one dimensional ?? and

10. Furthermore, you claim that ".. direction revolutions and oscillations became shapes and sounds and names" .. how can there be direction in one dimension .. same goes for oscillations .. and doesn't that entail that there is already a shape involved prior to creation of shapes .. and sounds and names ??

.. to make statements and stories like that, it either has to make sense and/or there needs to be recognized evidence from ahadeeth or quran to back it up .. otherwise how do we know you're not lying ..

[singham]

there is no other divine book after quran . al-jamia al jaffar and mushaf e fatima are myths of shiism

[Philip]

i'll bring out the biggest error in my opinion to the above theories:

according to amyir ..

Laam is zero dimensional (while the actual number LINE is one-dimensional )

Quote

came into being in the zero-dimensional LLLLLLLLLL

how can something zero-dimensional spin around ?? .. "things" can only be "things" once they are above 2nd dimension .. and even one dimension is referred to a point .. which is not a thing ..

furthermore .. numbers are not things .. numbers are more like descriptions of "how many"



also !! according to amyir .. the meems inside the laaam are one-dimensional .. a circle can't be one-dimensional .. plus .. how can "something" one-dimensional be inside something zero-dimensional .. this is the first time i hear the word zero-dimensional wAllahi !! mashaAllah


anyway .. maybe amyir has a different perception of dimensions .. maybe he can further explain .. or one of his followers ..

go ahead amyir .. answer me .. or continue .. as you wish ..

[al-amiyr]

Philip, on 19 April 2012 - 06:53 AM, said:

OK, i am following your statements here & ask you to clarify certain points:

1 . Tell us more about the Alif .. you skipped that one, which you say is the original one ..

2. Why is Laam zero dimensional and Myim one dimensional ?? how can it be one-dimensional if you refer to it as a "number line"?

3 . why, according to you did Allah chose decimal system consisting of 9 letter symbols (personally i believe Allah uses all systems, and in DNA for instance we have binary system used )

3 . so you're saying that the the laam starts to spin around the alif in one rotation, and this created the yaah?? how is that possible, and what is the significance of this?

4. you said that baa and daal are the chosen ONES ?? chosen for what ?? and how were they created according to you?

5. you say that meem as created from motionless numbers?? how are numbers in motion, especially if they are in one dimension?

6. you say that meems are concentric circles on the number line .. first of all .. circles of what? and they are concentric (encircling) what ?

7. you say that there are millions and billions of meems on the infinite number line .. i believe saying infinite is more accurate .. next to infinity even billions is zero ..

8. you claim that this number line including the alif. laam and meems is called Alif Laam .. and that billions of the meems surrounding will create al maa2 .. or water ..

9. you claim that from movement = vowels are created .. and that this equals to life .. how can there be movement if it's one dimensional ?? and

10. Furthermore, you claim that ".. direction revolutions and oscillations became shapes and sounds and names" .. how can there be direction in one dimension .. same goes for oscillations .. and doesn't that entail that there is already a shape involved prior to creation of shapes .. and sounds and names ??

.. to make statements and stories like that, it either has to make sense and/or there needs to be recognized evidence from ahadeeth or quran to back it up .. otherwise how do we know you're not lying ..

Philip, on 19 April 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

i'll bring out the biggest error in my opinion to the above theories:

according to amyir ..

Laam is zero dimensional (while the actual number LINE is one-dimensional )



how can something zero-dimensional spin around ?? .. "things" can only be "things" once they are above 2nd dimension .. and even one dimension is referred to a point .. which is not a thing ..

furthermore .. numbers are not things .. numbers are more like descriptions of "how many"



also !! according to amyir .. the meems inside the laaam are one-dimensional .. a circle can't be one-dimensional .. plus .. how can "something" one-dimensional be inside something zero-dimensional .. this is the first time i hear the word zero-dimensional wAllahi !! mashaAllah


anyway .. maybe amyir has a different perception of dimensions .. maybe he can further explain .. or one of his followers ..

go ahead amyir .. answer me .. or continue .. as you wish ..

Philip, on 19 April 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

i'll bring out the biggest error in my opinion to the above theories:

according to amyir ..

Laam is zero dimensional (while the actual number LINE is one-dimensional )



how can something zero-dimensional spin around ?? .. "things" can only be "things" once they are above 2nd dimension .. and even one dimension is referred to a point .. which is not a thing ..

furthermore .. numbers are not things .. numbers are more like descriptions of "how many"



also !! according to amyir .. the meems inside the laaam are one-dimensional .. a circle can't be one-dimensional .. plus .. how can "something" one-dimensional be inside something zero-dimensional .. this is the first time i hear the word zero-dimensional wAllahi !! mashaAllah


anyway .. maybe amyir has a different perception of dimensions .. maybe he can further explain .. or one of his followers ..

go ahead amyir .. answer me .. or continue .. as you wish ..

as_salaamu "alaykum

At least you have the courage to venture deep into the matter openly . Others listen and can understand..Others are hoping to understand...and others have no understanding at all.
For that I give you 100%. Maybe if you are right you might have saved the ummah including me from a great misconception...inshaa allaah.

First of all you have misconstrued what I have written. Also many mistakes in your analysis.But good going. I will answer all your valid questions as you have asked.
Otherwise I am the first to acknowledge that I have failed in this endeavour.

I will start in another post ..inshaa allaah. Just need to do something urgently.

shukran and salaam

Edited by al-amiyr, 19 April 2012 - 07:50 AM.

[al-amiyr]

singham, on 19 April 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

there is no other divine book after quran . al-jamia al jaffar and mushaf e fatima are myths of shiism

salaam

100% brother. The Book (al-kitaab) was the first thing revealed. All other books are nothing but explanations of The Book (al-kitaab) including the Qur'aan.
You are a wise brother and can you show me otherwise. I am a reasonable man and can accept any evidence.
The Book (al-kitaab) is still in existence and the Qur'aan is the last book revealed to explain it. Can you prove that statement incorrect?

shukran

[Rasul]

singham, on 19 April 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

there is no other divine book after quran . al-jamia al jaffar and mushaf e fatima are myths of shiism

Proof that

[al-amiyr]

salaam
philip asked me the best questions.He is the most reasonable.Although he gives me a tough time, I will give him a medal for perseverance.
I will not open anymore threads but will brush up on what I have already opened and bring things to good conclusions ...inshaa allaah.
Philip rise up and pay attention !Your answers are coming. And all your demands will be met. .......
I will leave al-Muhammadee standing at the entrance of the infinity for now and let him keep guard.
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