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[ImamAliLover]

Some reminders.....

[Shakir 23:52] And surely this your religion is one religion and I am your Lord, therefore be careful (of your duty) to Me.
[Shakir 23:53] But they cut off their religion among themselves into sects, each part rejoicing in that which is with them.
[Shakir 23:54] Therefore leave them in their overwhelming ignorance till a time.
[Shakir 23:55] Do they think that by what We aid them with of wealth and children,
[Shakir 23:56] We are hastening to them of good things? Nay, they do not perceive.
[Shakir 23:57] Surely they who from fear of their Lord are cautious,
[Shakir 23:58] And those who believe in the communications of their Lord,
[Shakir 23:59] And those who do not associate (aught) with their Lord,
[Shakir 23:60] And those who give what they give (in alms) while their hearts are full of fear that to their Lord they must return,
[Shakir 23:61] These hasten to good things and they are foremost in (attaining) them.
[Shakir 23:62] And We do not lay on any soul a burden except to the extent of its ability, and with Us is a book which speaks the truth, and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.
[Shakir 23:63] Nay, their hearts are in overwhelming ignorance with respect to it and they have besides this other deeds which they do.
[Shakir 23:64] Until when We overtake those who lead easy lives among them with punishment, lo! they cry for succor.
[Shakir 23:65] Cry not for succor this day; surely you shall not be given help from Us.
[Shakir 23:66] My communications were indeed recited to you, but you used to turn back on your heels,
[Shakir 23:67] In arrogance; talking nonsense about the Quran, and left him like one telling fables by night.
[Shakir 23:68] Is it then that they do not ponder over what is said, or is it that there has come to them that which did not come to their fathers of old?
[Shakir 23:69] Or is it that they have not recognized their Messenger, so that they deny him?
[Shakir 23:70] Or do they say: There is madness in him? Nay! he has brought them the truth, and most of them are averse from the truth.
[Shakir 23:71] And should the truth follow their low desires, surely the heavens and the earth and all those who are therein would have perished. Nay! We have brought to them their reminder, but from their reminder they turn aside.
[Shakir 23:72] Or is it that you ask them a recompense? But the recompense of your Lord is best, and He is the best of those who provide sustenance.
[Shakir 23:73] And most surely you invite them to a right way.
[Shakir 23:74] And most surely those who do not believe in the hereafter are deviating from the way.
[Shakir 23:75] And if We show mercy to them and remove the distress they have, they would persist in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
[Shakir 23:76] And already We overtook them with chastisement, but they were not submissive to their Lord, nor do they humble themselves.
[Shakir 23:77] Until when We open upon them a door of severe chastisement, lo! they are in despair at it.
[Shakir 23:78] And He it is Who made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts; little is it that you give thanks.
[Shakir 23:79] And He it is Who multiplied you in the earth, and to Him you shall be gathered.
[Shakir 23:80] And He it is Who gives life and causes death, and (in) His (control) is the alternation of the night and the day; do you not then understand?
[Shakir 23:81] Nay, they say the like of what the ancients said:
[Shakir 23:82] They say: What! When we are dead and become dust and bones, shall we then be raised?
[Shakir 23:83] Certainly we are promised this, and (so were) our fathers aforetime; this is naught but stories of those of old.
[Shakir 23:84] Say: Whose is the earth, and whoever is therein, if you know?
[Shakir 23:85] They will say: Allah's. Say: Will you not then mind?
[Shakir 23:86] Say: Who is the Lord of the seven heavens and the Lord of the mighty dominion?
[Shakir 23:87] They will say: (This is) Allah's. Say: Will you not then guard (against evil)?
[Shakir 23:88] Say: Who is it in Whose hand is the kingdom of all things and Who gives succor, but against Him Succor is not given, if you do but know?
[Shakir 23:89] They will say: (This is) Allah's. Say: From whence are you then deceived?
[Shakir 23:90] Nay! We have brought to them the truth, and most surely they are liars.
[Shakir 23:91] Never did Allah take to Himself a son, and never was there with him any (other) god-- in that case would each god have certainly taken away what he created, and some of them would certainly have overpowered others; glory be to Allah above what they describe!
[Shakir 23:92] The Knower of the unseen and the seen, so may He be exalted above what they associate (with Him).
[Shakir 23:93] Say: O my Lord! if Thou shouldst make me see what they are threatened with:
[Shakir 23:94] My Lord! then place me not with the unjust.
[Shakir 23:95] And most surely We are well able to make you see what We threaten them with.
[Shakir 23:96] Repel evil by what is best; We know best what they describe.
[Shakir 23:97] And say: O my Lord! I seek refuge in Thee from the evil suggestions of the Shaitans;
[Shakir 23:98] And I seek refuge in Thee! O my Lord! from their presence.
[Shakir 23:99] Until when death overtakes one of them, he says: Send me back, my Lord, send me back;
[Shakir 23:100] Haply I may do good in that which I have left. By no means! it is a (mere) word that he speaks; and before them is a barrier until the day they are raised.
[Shakir 23:101] So when the trumpet is blown, there shall be no ties of relationship between them on that day, nor shall they ask of each other.
[Shakir 23:102] Then as for him whose good deeds are preponderant, these are the successful.
[Shakir 23:103] And as for him whose good deeds are light, these are they who shall have lost their souls, abiding in hell
[Shakir 23:104] The fire shall scorch their faces, and they therein shall be in severe affliction.
[Shakir 23:105] Were not My communications recited to you? But you used to reject them.
[Shakir 23:106] They shall say: O our Lord! our adversity overcame us and we were an erring people:
[Shakir 23:107] O our Lord! Take us out of it; then if we return (to evil) surely we shall be unjust.
[Shakir 23:108] He shall say: Go away into it and speak nat to Me;
[Shakir 23:109] Surely there was a party of My servants who said: O OUI . Lord! we believe, so do Thou forgive us and have mercy on us, and Thou art the best of the Merciful ones.
[Shakir 23:110] But you took them for a mockery until they made you forget My remembrance and you used to laugh at them.
[Shakir 23:111] Surely I have rewarded them this day because they were patient, that they are the achievers.
[Shakir 23:112] He will say: How many years did you tarry in the earth?
[Shakir 23:113] They will say: We tarried a day or part of a day, but ask those who keep account.
[Shakir 23:114] He will say: You did tarry but a little-- had you but known (it):
[Shakir 23:115] What! did you then think that We had created you in vain and that you shall not be returned to Us?
[Shakir 23:116] So exalted be Allah, the True King; no god is there but He, the Lord of the honorable dominion.
[Shakir 23:117] And whoever invokes with Allah another god-- he has no proof of this-- his reckoning is only with his Lord; surely the unbelievers shall not be successful.
[Shakir 23:118] And say: O my Lord! forgive and have mercy, and Thou art the best of the Merciful ones.

w/s

[MohsinQ]

Say: "O people of the Book! Let us get together on what is common between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah; that we shall not associate any partners with Him; that we shall not take from among ourselves any lords beside Allah." If they reject your invitation then tell them: "Bear witness that we are Muslims (who have surrendered to Allah)."

Quran : Surah Aale Imran - Ayat 64

People know the verse, yet have forgotten

[PurifiedTruth]

Abu Lulu, on 12 April 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

that's all i wanted to say. his knowledge is what benefits me, not how he practices. but oke his actions are questionable, just like the actions of khomeini. so take knowledge from this people and follow them in goodness and oppose them in what you think they do wrong. simple!

however about nakshawani, i found this video. it really is awkward to look at it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHCyn0MerHg&

The problem is these days, the moment you openly criticize  Khomanie with a respectful for not agreeing with him on certain aspects of his politics or his support for deviant scholars like Ibn Arabi they immediately call you a "fitnah maker" , "hate monger" and label you as a jahil. But when it comes to Yasser Al habib , they have no problem shooting arrows at him even if it would anger those that support him.

I like both , Al-Habib and Naqshawani. However, there is no doubt that Al-Habib is more knowledgeable in aqeedah  and fiqh and yet even the most knowledgeable Shia mujtahid in all of the UK.

Abu Lulu, on 12 April 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

that's all i wanted to say. his knowledge is what benefits me, not how he practices. but oke his actions are questionable, just like the actions of khomeini. so take knowledge from this people and follow them in goodness and oppose them in what you think they do wrong. simple!

however about nakshawani, i found this video. it really is awkward to look at it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHCyn0MerHg&

The problem is these days, the moment you openly criticize  Khomanie with a respectful for not agreeing with him on certain aspects of his politics or his support for deviant scholars like Ibn Arabi they immediately call you a "fitnah maker" , "hate monger" and label you as a jahil. But when it comes to Yasser Al habib , they have no problem shooting arrows at him even if it would anger those that support him.

I like both , Al-Habib and Naqshawani. However, there is no doubt that Al-Habib is more knowledgeable in aqeedah  and fiqh and yet even the most knowledgeable Shia mujtahid in all of the UK.

Mushu, on 16 April 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

Mushu has arrived.





No, we should not send la3na. There is no benefit in it, and all it does it cause disunity. Who started the ritual sending of la3na on personalities, and suggested that it was a part of Islam? Mua3awiya.

Yassir al-Habib is not a scholar. In my opinion, he is being heavily funded by the West to cause Fitna - where else would a random nobody, who appeared from nowhere with an Amama on his head, get the money to

• Run a magazine
  
• Run a website
  
• Own an office
  
• Run a TV channel

However, since there isn't concrete proof for that, we'll stick with the fact that he isn't a scholar for the time being. He is not acknowledged by a single reputable scholar.


Anyways, I hope all of you sincere Yassir followers are raised with him on the Day of Judgement.

Is it really necessary to go that far by lying just so you can defend your argument?

[Ali-Reza]

Sheikh Yaser Al Habib is not attached to any government nor is funded by any hence he will have no one's agenda other than what he belives to be the truth.

I don't know about you guys but I like that kind of sheikh a lot more.

[Labbayk]

Ali-Reza, on 27 February 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Sheikh Yaser Al Habib is not attached to any government nor is funded by any hence he will have no one's agenda other than what he belives to be the truth.

I don't know about you guys but I like that kind of sheikh a lot more.

He Speaks the truth about everything & the pure authentic Shia Islam. Exposes so-called 'ulama' like Fadhlallah, khomeini & the regime for their un-Islamic stance on certain things inc the blatant human rights violation. May Allah preserve Sheikh Yassir and others like him. The first masjid in London will open soon under the name of Masjid Al-Mohsin soon. Though there are many shia centres, not a single masjid. Inshallah the pure teachings of tashayyu will spread very fast.

Many people donate to his channel and many people have donated towards the masjid. There are many rich arabs who donate towards them, not any government.

Edited by Labbayk, 28 February 2013 - 05:53 AM.

[Naruto]

Labbayk, on 28 February 2013 - 05:39 AM, said:

Speaks the truth about everything & the pure authentic Shia Islam. Exposes so-called 'ulama' like Fadhlallah, khomeini & the regime for their un-islamic stance on things inc the blatant human rights violation. May Allah preserve Sheikh Yassir and others like him. The first masjid in London will open under the name of Masjid Al-Mohsin soon. Though there are many shia centres, not a single masjid. Inshallah the pure teachings of tashayyu will spread very fast.

lol...saying that the 3rd shahada in the adhan is wajib, is part of the pure teaching of tashayyu? lol, what a loser....our classical scholars would curse idiots like you...

Edited by Naruto, 28 February 2013 - 05:57 AM.

[PurifiedTruth]

Naruto, on 28 February 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

lol...saying that the 3rd shahada in the adhan is wajib, is part of the pure teaching of tashayyu? lol, what a loser....our classical scholars would curse idiots like you...

Salam.

Let me give you an example. Using your logic, should we call Nur Al-Tabrasi a loser for believing in Tahrif al Quran when Allah(swt) specifically said he will preserve it? ""Indeed it is We who have sent down the reminder (the Qur'an), and indeed it is Us who shall preserve it" (Surah Al-Hijr 15:9)."

How do we and as well as scholars respond to Nur Al-Tarasi? Not one scholar has attacked him from the past till today,  but we simply say he is a mujtahid who was mistaken. Like wise with Sheik Yasser al Habib. He might have a contradicting view to the other great scholars by affirming that the third shahada is wajib , and as follower of Sayed Sadiq I still don't agree with him on his point , however he is still a mujtahid despite his mistake.

[Naruto]

Mujtaba_Iraqi, on 28 February 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

Salam.

Let me give you an example. Using your logic, should we call Nur Al-Tabrasi a loser for believing in Tahrif al Quran when Allah(swt) specifically said he will preserve it? ""Indeed it is We who have sent down the reminder (the Qur'an), and indeed it is Us who shall preserve it" (Surah Al-Hijr 15:9)."

How do we and as well as scholars respond to Nur Al-Tarasi? Not one scholar has attacked him from the past till today,  but we simply say he is a mujtahid who was mistaken. Like wise with Sheik Yasser al Habib. He might have a contradicting view to the other great scholars by affirming that the third shahada is wajib , and as follower of Sayed Sadiq I still don't agree with him on his point , however he is still a mujtahid despite his mistake.

Brother, but the thing is, the belief in the distortion of the Qur'an among the Shi'ahs is very popular, many of our greatest scholars have believed in it, including Al-Tabarsi (author of Al-Ihtijaj), Al-Kulayni (author of Al-Kafi, the most important Shi'ah hadith book), 'Ali Ibn Ibraheem (author of a portion of Tafseer Al-Qummi), Shaykh Muhammed Baqir Al-Majlisi (author of Bihar Al-Anwar), Sayyid Ni'matullah Al-Jaza'iri , and many more. Furthermore, we actually have many pro-tahreef hadiths and books, Tafseer Al-Qummi being one of them, yet they are still heavily relied upon by Shi'ahs, even until now. I doubt this is the same case for believeing that the 3rd Shahada of the adhan is wajib, a very rare belief, I'm assuming. I did not intend to insult Yasser Al-Habib, but I was insulting the user 'Labbayk'. Who knows, maybe Yasser Al-Habib has changed his view.

Edited by Naruto, 28 February 2013 - 06:20 AM.

[Labbayk]

Naruto, on 28 February 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

lol...saying that the 3rd shahada in the adhan is wajib, is part of the pure teaching of tashayyu? lol, what a loser....our classical scholars would curse idiots like you...

If you speak to them they'd prove it. No need for insults there.

.

Edited by Labbayk, 28 February 2013 - 06:27 AM.

[Naruto]

Labbayk, on 28 February 2013 - 06:26 AM, said:

If you speak to them they'd prove it. No need for insults there.

.

lol...no you jahil...Rasul Allah has ordered that anyone who supports a bid`a should be insulted. You think you know more than Rasul Allah , kid?

Edited by Naruto, 28 February 2013 - 06:29 AM.

[Labbayk]

Naruto, on 28 February 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

lol...no you jahil...Rasul Allah has ordered that anyone who supports a bid`a should be insulted. You think you know more than Rasul Allah , kid?

If I am a jahil for pronouncing Ali's name in salat then go ahead. Rasoolallah (saws) didn't order the wilayah of Ali for nothing.

[PurifiedTruth]

Naruto, on 28 February 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

Brother, but the thing is, the belief in the distortion of the Qur'an among the Shi'ahs is very popular, many of our greatest scholars have believed in it, including Al-Tabarsi (author of Al-Ihtijaj), Al-Kulayni (author of Al-Kafi, the most important Shi'ah hadith book), 'Ali Ibn Ibraheem (author of a portion of Tafseer Al-Qummi), Shaykh Muhammed Baqir Al-Majlisi (author of Bihar Al-Anwar), Sayyid Ni'matullah Al-Jaza'iri , and many more. Furthermore, we actually have many pro-tahreef hadiths and books, Tafseer Al-Qummi being one of them, yet they are still heavily relied upon by Shi'ahs, even until now. I doubt this is the same case for believeing that the 3rd Shahada of the adhan is wajib, a very rare belief, I'm assuming. I did not intend to insult Yasser Al-Habib, but I was insulting the user 'Labbayk'. Who knows, maybe Yasser Al-Habib has changed his view.

I might be wrong , but I recall that all of our scholars that you mentioned did in fact believe in Tahrif Alquran in regards to it's meaning but not in the distortion of it's texts unlike what Nur Al-Tabrasi believed in.  In other words, the meaning of the Quran is distorted but the actual text is preserved.

Look at Sheik Al-Saduq commented below in regards to the tahrif if the Quran:



Abu Ja'far Mubammad ibn `All ibn Babawayh al-Qummi, known as al-Shaykh al-Saduq, (died 381/991), states the following in his book entitled al- 'I'tiqadat (Beliefs):
"With respect to the Holy Qur'an which Allah Almighty has revealed to His Prophet Muhammad (S), we believe that this is that very Qur'an which is between the two covers and is in the possession of the people, and that there is not anything more than this. Whoever charges us with believing in excess, has lied."

With that being said, I think Sheik Al-Saduq was trying to emphasis that the Quran is not distorted in it's textual aspects in which it is missing some writing like Nur Altabrasi affirmed. However, he does believe in it's tahrif of it's meaning which is accepted by most scholars of the past and even today.


I found this from the article below. You might find it useful.

http://www.al-islam....conceptions.htm

[Naruto]

Labbayk, on 28 February 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

If I am a jahil for pronouncing Ali's name in salat then go ahead. Rasoolallah (saws) didn't order the wilayah of Ali for nothing.

What faulty logic!!!

Mujtaba_Iraqi, on 28 February 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

I might be wrong , but I recall that all of our scholars that you mentioned did in fact believe in Tahrif Alquran in regards to it's meaning but not in the distortion of it's texts unlike what Nur Al-Tabrasi believed in.  In other words, the meaning of the Quran is distorted but the actual text is preserved.

Look at Sheik Al-Saduq commented below in regards to the tahrif if the Quran:



Abu Ja'far Mubammad ibn `All ibn Babawayh al-Qummi, known as al-Shaykh al-Saduq, (died 381/991), states the following in his book entitled al- 'I'tiqadat (Beliefs):
"With respect to the Holy Qur'an which Allah Almighty has revealed to His Prophet Muhammad (S), we believe that this is that very Qur'an which is between the two covers and is in the possession of the people, and that there is not anything more than this. Whoever charges us with believing in excess, has lied."

With that being said, I think Sheik Al-Saduq was trying to emphasis that the Quran is not distorted in it's textual aspects in which it is missing some writing like Nur Altabrasi affirmed. However, he does believe in it's tahrif of it's meaning which is accepted by most scholars of the past and even today.


I found this from the article below. You might find it useful.

http://www.al-islam....conceptions.htm

I will look into it further, and I will tell you what I find, Insha Allah.

[Labbayk]

Naruto, on 28 February 2013 - 06:43 AM, said:

What faulty logic!!!

17 year old? No wonder...maybe we'll get more 'bidahs' from you and your younger crew later on. I just think about the different types of shias there are in the world. But let's just look at salat alone:

1) Mola's Wilayat in Adhan is Musthaab
2) Mola's Wilayat in Adhan is Waajib
3) Mola's Wilayat in Adhan is Bidah/Batil
4) Mola's Wilayat in Tasahuud is Wajib
5) Mola's Wilayat in Tashahuud is Mustahabb
6) Mola's Wilayat in Tashahuud is Read As A Dua
7) Mola's Wilayah in Tashahuud is Bidah/Batil

Edited by Labbayk, 28 February 2013 - 07:00 AM.

[repenter]

The problem is that YH only talks about one thing. It's boring.

[Rational Thinking]

Abu Lulu, on 12 April 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

that's all i wanted to say. his knowledge is what benefits me, not how he practices. but oke his actions are questionable, just like the actions of khomeini. so take knowledge from this people and follow them in goodness and oppose them in what you think they do wrong. simple!

however about nakshawani, i found this video. it really is awkward to look at it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHCyn0MerHg&

Alhamdullilah!

Amar Nakhswani is against tatbir as well!

tatbir.org guys.

this video did not refute nakhswani, it actually shows he is amazingly logical.

[Robin Hood]

Yasser Habib is nothing but a paid fitna-monger.

[Musa]

Ismahan007, on 14 April 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

W'salaam brother. yeah very disappointing indeed, seeing all this replies. I've noticed recently this site is full of Ba***** LOOOOL (joke, don't take it too serious)


I firmly believe that these people who are against shiekh Yassir are purely so bcos of the Iranian government. what else? they mix religion with politics, its sad.

Islam is not separate from politics. All of our Imams were political leaders, even their great companions were governor or some type of political leader. It is actually many of our sunni brothers and sisters who believe they should be separate.

The reason why people dislike Yassir and Allahyari is not because of Iran. Most people dislike them because of the lack of their akhlaq. For instance, Allahyari will have callers to his show and when a sunni calls in he will call it the omarri line. They are very disrespectful to our brothers in Islam, what ever happened learning from the patience of Imam Ali? If you want to debate, that is perfectly fine. Look at how people like Hassanin Rajabali debate, it is with pure akhlaq.

Secondly, there are many shias who are considered as kaffirs and killed because of the words of these people. These satellite channels reach muslim countries that are predominately sunni. Some of these countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan still have a lot of wahhabi type sunnis who will see these shows and then kill shias. Why would you incite hatred and cause disunity? Muslims have always been taken over because of us being divided and conquered.