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[al-syedia]

great going guys
just wondering how this india pakistan thing has created such differences here

[133ali]

According to the terms of Partition, Kashmir was supposed to go to Pakistan,  the erstwhile Maharaja of Kashmir wanted to do this, but was prevailed upon by Nehru to join the Indian Union. Now all that is so much water under the bridge. Presently, even Pakistan is trying to change the demographic population in the Pakistan Administered Kashmir by bringing in Punjabis etc. This is something the Indians have not done; the Indians on the other hand, have something around 700,000 military personnel there with the draconian AFSPA law to help them. Both sides are in the wrong; it will be better to give the Kashmiris Independence, and allow them to join the SAARC as its 9th member State. Both Pakistan and India leave them to have their own Independent country, the Pakistanis should remove their people from other parts of Pakistan whom they are 'settling' in  Kashmir, and the Indians remove their troops from there. It is better to live peacefully as neighbours rather than continuing strained relations. This will also take the wind out of the sails of the fanatics on both sides of the border. it is simply not worth losing good men over it.

[TheHealer]

Independence , alas ! is a costly, costly term. Its very complicated, and that might be an understatement. What would independence mean ? would it be for Indian administered ( occupied if you may ) Kashmir only ? What about POK, what about the part annexed by China, what about Jammu and its people, How do you define J & K ? Kashmir is landlocked between three nuclear powered and highly militirised countries, economic super powers if you may. Our resourses have been drained, our reserviours of water et all are annexed by treatises between these powers. How will Kashmir survive ? These are all relevant questions. Economy plays a huge role. Kashmir and its freedom requires a world movement, where India, Pak, China are all willing to let it go ( even writing it in words is daunting). But if things do miraculously happen, i recon Kashmir will survive, we have resources, water, green gold ( woods) , land and ofcourse our people. Kashmir over all has good literacy rate, Doctors, Engineers, lawyers, scientists et all ,we have them in plenty, thousands of them working in lands as distant as America, Europe, New Zealand, Middle East. But the question is of initial survival, the initial three decades or so, who will bank roll our projects. Kashmir can easily emulate the swiss model of tourism and investment banking ( cut out the Ri'bah   ), Medical tourism , A Zurich like plan of hosting Institutions , all of this can be done and Kashmir will florish. This is a distant dream, but the question when and how shall be the start, its difficult nay a tad bit may be impossible as of now, but the most important thing is " One day it has to be done."   Finally to quote Margaret Thatcher , same holds true for us : " We may be a small Nation, but we are not a small People ."

[Askari1]

Watch brutality of Indian Army in Kashmir


http://www.zemtv.com...rmy-in-kashmir/

[syedmohdraza]

Salam,

I am from India. I think its a well known fact that there are HR violations in Kashmir. Many Indians have written about it as well. but really what is the solution ?  Will Pakistan  ever get Kashmir....no ...Its not possible....  nothing less than a nuclear war will happen..which is illogical.....Kashmiri people want freedom and independent state, but that is also no option.

There are lot of issues...Even if Kashmir becomes free will it be peaceful ? no it will be just an extension of Taliban-afghan. There will be killings of shias and other minorities. I dont think India can afford something so dangerous close to Delhi. Plus dont forget India is a mixture of different groups/regions etc. at one point in time every part wanted freedom from india.Khalistan to tamils to Nagaland. If India compromises on one its gone ..its finished.

so the way i see it is Kashmiri people should try and live peacefully with India and Pakistan shud stop playing politics with this issue...it shud stop supporting separatist activity. If things go little better may be AFSPA can be removed and we have peace in the valley.

[islamicsoldier]

Propaganda_of_the_Deed, on 07 April 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

The map also says Indian administered Kashmir. Of course if you are Indian you would see it as Pakistan occupied and vice verca (Pakistanis refer to their part as "Azad Kashmir" or Free Kashmir). Although many say that if given a choice, most Kashmiris would either want an independent state, or rather be part of Pakistan than India, seeing as it is a Muslim majority state that is under oppressive rule, by a mostly Hindu military presence, Also the Chinese occupy a substantial portion of Kashmir, but no one ever mentions this.

  China and Pakistan are  good and great allies to each other