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[Wilayat Eshq]

http://www.bbc.co.uk...s.shtml<br /> please don't call this as a propaganda This is real and truth about iranian treating Immigrants like invaders. How would you explain this actions of Iranian authorities Wallah i am starting to doubt supporting the regime anymore What is this? It was even published on state website but removed immediately sharm hast wallah

[titumir]

LOL!!!

No, you're quite right. The Iranians have no respect for Humanity or Humans. The Iranians are devils. British and Americans on the other hand, are loving, caring people who love all humans and humanity and are brimming with the milk of human kindness.

[jannahismygoal]

Wilayat Eshq, on 01 April 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

What is this?

I don't know what that article says. But it seems like it's Garbage.

*Edit*

Just put it into google translate. And got the gist of the article. Dude, why would you read something like this and and then decide to completely discredit the Islamic Republic of Iran?

Edited by jannahismygoal, 02 April 2012 - 02:13 AM.

[baradar_jackson]

No, we don't have respect for human beings or humanity.

We only respect/revere/worship the fire.

kthxbye

[Marbles]

titumir, on 02 April 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

LOL!!!

No, you're quite right. The Iranians have no respect for Humanity or Humans. The Iranians are devils. British and Americans on the other hand, are loving, caring people who love all humans and humanity and are brimming with the milk of human kindness.

The way Afghans are treated in Iran and the way they are treated in the West says a lot about the differences in humanity between the two systems.

[Golden-crowned]

We do respect to humanity. and you don't rust BBC in anyway. it is a kind of devilish media. it never says whole aspect of matter and just mentions to details.

[md. ammar ali]

Wilayat Eshq, on 01 April 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...s.shtml<br /> please don't call this as a propaganda This is real and truth about iranian treating Immigrants like invaders. How would you explain this actions of Iranian authorities Wallah i am starting to doubt supporting the regime anymore What is this? It was even published on state website but removed immediately sharm hast wallah

i dont know which language is that .........in the site

but 1 thing i can say .........see the position of jews in iran
yes the JEWS  that live in tehran are living their lives in peace
they even have a representation in the parliament i guess

so it is very clear iran for justice ; against oppression

[alimohamad40]

iranians are not less racist and evil than other races

people are all racist because they are selfish and far from islam

while some racists had a bad treatement of refugees  but iran took an enourmous number of refugees which no country in the world did except for sirya and that was something people should thank

Edited by alimohamad40, 02 April 2012 - 07:33 AM.

[Reshad]

To be honest... Afghans are treated better in the West then they are in Iran

[titumir]

Reshad, on 02 April 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

To be honest... Afghans are treated better in the West then they are in Iran

To be honest.... the West hasn't taken in 1/1000th of the Afghan refugees Iran has.

[baradar_jackson]

Marbles, on 02 April 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

The way Afghans are treated in Iran and the way they are treated in the West says a lot about the differences in humanity between the two systems.

A Paki more than anyone should know: poor countries take more refugees than the rich Western countries. Pakistan has more refugees within its borders than any other country IIRC.

Poor countries which are already on much restraint, have the added restraint of supporting new populations who come to them escaping the bombs and shells of the very same Western system which you -- because of its supposed superior treatment of refugees -- praise!!!

#SuperiorSecularSystem

Negro, please.

Afghans go to Iran because for them it means peace, stability, and work (things which they cannot have in Afghanistan). If they were not better off in Iran than in Afghanistan, they quite simply, would go back!

Is there racism in Iran? LOL. I mean if you are going to use racism to dismiss a people and a system entirely, based on some racial prejudices, then the system which is the biggest culprit is the liberal-democratic system: it was founded on the implicit principle of all non-European men as being subhuman. Look at the declaration of independence and compare it to the history of that time!

There is a difference between racism and racial prejudice. Racism is systemic: the enslavement of the black man was racism. The genocide of the red man was racism. The atomic bombing of the yellow man was racism (and if you think it's not, take a gander at what the American papers were writing about the Japanese throughout the war).

Racial prejudice is different. It is not systemic but born out of the individual; if not the individual, then out of cultural prejudices. They do not involve sinister, criminal things such as genocide or race-based divisions of society.

In Iran there is no racism. There is racial prejudice. The Islamic system has done a good deal of work trying to uproot such prejudices, by emphasizing the fraternity of the different nations that make up what is known as "Iran," as well as by emphasizing the global fraternity of man. Any prejudices, therefore, lie with the people themselves and their cultural backwardness.

FYI, although there are a lot of cases of Afghanis being maltreated in Iran, there is another side of the story as well. A lot of Afghanis in Iran are not upright citizens. There are a lot of rape and crime cases involving them; such culprits should be more appreciative of what Iran has offered them. So there's two sides to the story.

But all of that aside, anybody who uses THIS to declare the superiority of the Western secular system is either delusional, or lying.

[Aarash_Australia]

The racism against Afghans in Iran has always puzzled me.

The worst thing is, it is the Shia Hazars who get the worst of it!

It is totally inexplicable.


I can understand prejudice directed at the Pashtuns and Tajiks here who where Wahhabi beards...... but against Hazara people?

It makes no sense.

Edited by Aarash_Australia, 02 April 2012 - 03:12 PM.

[shiaaliibrahim]

Wilayat Eshq, on 01 April 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...s.shtml<br /> please don't call this as a propaganda This is real and truth about iranian treating Immigrants like invaders. How would you explain this actions of Iranian authorities Wallah i am starting to doubt supporting the regime anymore What is this? It was even published on state website but removed immediately sharm hast wallah

I could not read the article, it's in Farsi.  However, I assume that  policemen and others at the grass root level did some bad things.  Remember these people are just humans and make mistakes.  If the people being mistreated are Afghanis it's very unfortunate.  However, keep this in mind.  The majority of drugs coming into Iran are coming from Afghanistan and are being smuggled by Afghan refugees.  Drug addiction in Iran is an epidemic  and it is wasting away a large number of unemployed young people.  The western powers took an almost nonexistent poppy crop under Taliban rule to all time record highs.  The main goal was to ruin Iran and Russia, the two countries targeted and currently suffering horrible levels of drug addiction and associated crime.  In Iran, convicted drug dealers and smugglers are executed.  So, Brother, it's not pretty, but the depth of the problem is extreme.  

Wa Salaam

P.s. I support the regime and the Leader.

[baradar_jackson]

Aarash_Australia, on 02 April 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

The racism against Afghans in Iran has always puzzled me.

The worst thing is, it is the Shia Hazars who get the worst of it!

It is totally inexplicable.


I can understand prejudice directed at the Pashtuns and Tajiks here who where Wahhabi beards...... but against Hazara people?

It makes no sense.

Hazaras "get the worst of it?"

Proof or get out

Edited by baradar_jackson, 02 April 2012 - 03:59 PM.

[Aarash_Australia]

baradar_jackson, on 02 April 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Hazaras "get the worst of it?"

Proof or gtfo

Proof is my living here.

Go to Mashhad and ask them.

It's their appearance which marks them out.

The problem is, Iranians are as a whole so ignorant of the neighboring countries, that most don't even know that the more "Mongol" looking Afghans are actually the good guys.

[baradar_jackson]

Aarash_Australia, on 02 April 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Proof is my living here.

In the US, millions of blacks and Mexicans get beaten to death on the streets every day.

My proof is that I am living here.


PS I apologize to everyone for using the acronym "gtfo." A noorani brother of mine saw it and got upset with me, so I have decided that it is wrong and I apologize for it.

Edited by baradar_jackson, 02 April 2012 - 06:11 PM.

[Aarash_Australia]

baradar_jackson, on 02 April 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

In the US, millions of blacks and Mexicans get beaten to death on the streets every day.

My proof is that I am living here.


PS I apologize to everyone for using the acronym "gtfo." A noorani brother of mine saw it and got upset with me, so I have decided that it is wrong and I apologize for it.

Google is your friend.

http://www.thefriday...120302&page=5.1
http://hcaustralia.o.../latest-news/43

etc, etc.


But I would expect you to be surprised at most things in Iran - seeing as you have lived your whole life in California....

[baradar_jackson]

Aarash_Australia, on 02 April 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Google is your friend.

http://www.thefriday...120302&page=5.1
http://hcaustralia.o.../latest-news/43

etc, etc.


But I would expect you to be surprised at most things in Iran - seeing as you have lived your whole life in California....

I have not lived my whole life in California. But what does it matter? You've decided to use this "I live in Iran" as the axis of your argument, as if living in a country automatically gives you God-given knowledge about everything that goes on there.

Let me give you an example of how absurd this is: let's say a poor Shia person in Bahrain, looks to Iran and sees that it has more adequate services than Bahrain; that in Iran, people are provided for better than people in Bahrain. Well, this is a reality, whether you like it or not! You just need to look at the policies and the statistics to see this. But someone in Niavaran, says to the Bahraini: you have no right to talk! You are not Iranian! You don't live here, che che che... Isn't this absurd? Niavaran is within the borders of Iran. But does that mean the people who live in Niavaran are any more acquainted with the poverty of Iran than any other of the 7 billion human souls on this planet?!?!?!? Any reasonable person realizes that this is nonsense. In Iran, social stratification and the de-hezbification of the state media has caused the middle class to create Potemkin villages in every balashahr in every city, where they cannot perceive of a reality outside of their own.

It's no different with this issue. You claim to have knowledge about Afghanis' plight in Iran, based on what? Because you live in Iran. OK, well live in Iran all you want, but if all you do is go to Farahzad and smoke ghelyoon and eat bandari, then how do you know anything about Afghanis' experience in the country? If you are going to argue based on your personal encounters and personal experiences, then tell us: how many Afghanis do you know? How many Afghanis do you know, and how many Afghani-oppressors do you know? Tell us their stories!

You make a claim to knowledge based on something personal (where you live), but then you say "google is your friend" ?!?!? I can use googool from California or Belarus or Nigeria; it makes utterly no difference where you live, if google is what you're using!!! And if, in fact, "google search results" is your undisputed source of knowledge, then I feel sorry for you. You can find a whole bunch of rubbish on the intranet, just like you can hear a bunch of rubbbish coming out of people's mouths. In Iran, too often, rumors are passed off as undisputed truths, and people don't bother investigating into claims (or, at the very least, refraining from passing judgement).

I am not declaring what is rumor and what is truth. But the bottom line is:

1) The reason millions of Afghanis are in Iran right now is not because they just loooooooooooove living under the Majoosi system of racial oppression.

2) People like you, don't have any business with truth. Arash Australia doesn't live in the same neighborhood, or even the same city, as truth. He has never met truth. He is a name-dropper who is always speaking of truth when in fact he doesn't even know the guy! Arash's approach to these issues is simple: he looks at the matn. If the matn of a claim is in accordance with his beliefs, he accepts it. His beliefs, in a nutshell, is: "Everything negative about Iran, is true."

[Aarash_Australia]

Wow.

I didn't mean to distress you so.





I have plenty of personal stories (many from an Afghan-Australian who came to Iran to find a Hazar wife).

There is also plenty of information on the internet.

If you know anyone living in Iran, you can ask them too.




Good luck.


(it's funny that you mentioned Farahzad for two reasons. the first, i assume you actually thought that was somewhere upper-class? the second, there are actually plenty of Afghan kids there selling sour sweets, I am sure they would be a great source of stories)

Edited by Aarash_Australia, 02 April 2012 - 07:13 PM.

[baradar_jackson]

^

اصلا قصدت همینه. قصدت این نیست که مثل آدم بشینی منطقی بحث کنی. قصدت اینه که اعصاب همه را خورد کنی با این استدلال های بی ربط

من دیگه این مطلب را ترک میکنم

یا حق

[baradar_jackson]

^ Just saw your edit. No, I was not saying that Farahzad was a high-class place!!! However, it is a popular destination for (mostly middle class) Tehran youths who want to smoke and eat!!! That's the reason why it's always crowded!!

Don't try to twist my words, dude.

Ok NOW I'm done. Don't even try saying some other retarded thing to bait me back into this thread. I only responded because it was an edit.

Edited by baradar_jackson, 02 April 2012 - 07:52 PM.

[Lion of the Wasteland]

wow this arash guy is definately an anti-revolutionary, prolly anti-welayat faqih too, just hiding in the closet are you. you just called afghans "mongols", YOU are the racist it seems.

[Aarash_Australia]

baradar_jackson, on 02 April 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

^ Just saw your edit. No, I was not saying that Farahzad was a high-class place!!! However, it is a popular destination for (mostly middle class) Tehran youths who want to smoke and eat!!!

Don't try to twist my words, dude.

Retard...

Well, I've never been middle or upper class, and i'm not going to start now i'm in Tehran, so.......

Lion of the Wasteland, on 02 April 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

wow this arash guy is definately an anti-revolutionary, prolly anti-welayat faqih too, just hiding in the closet are you. you just called afghans "mongols", YOU are the racist it seems.

no one ever taught you about quotation marks? "mongols" is what Iranians call Hazars.



and yes, I am absolutely anti vilayat-e faqih and all those kinds of innovations.

[Lion of the Wasteland]

Aarash_Australia, on 02 April 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

and yes, I am absolutely anti vilayat-e faqih and all those kinds of innovations.

that's what i thought

if i were a gambling man, i'd bet you are iranian, and probably MeK or something. maybe returning to shiism are you, good luck. too bad you lost it at some point and need i say what i believe happens to people like that...

[Aarash_Australia]

Lion of the Wasteland, on 02 April 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

that's what i thought

if i were a gambling man, i'd bet you are iranian, and probably MeK or something. maybe returning to shiism are you, good luck. too bad you lost it at some point and need i say what i believe happens to people like that...

Mek lol

you forgot Jew-Zionist-Freemason-Lizard man