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Muhammed Ali, on 03 April 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Tahirah90 read books by Micheal Behe to start with.



Personally I am not too fond of the masonic conspiracy theories but I think Soical Darwinism is an important subject. Darwinism does have a detrimental impact on ethics.

They are not conspiracy theories brother , just because they are not taught in mainstream zionist funded schools and universities.
It's not part of the mass mind control programming by your masters , it was never their plans to "EDUCATE" the sheep , but rather to dumb them down.The mainstream will not  explain the real purpose Socialist Darwinism and it's agenda .
Unless you subscribe to so called "conspiracy theories ".
Would you like to know the mother of all conspiracy theories , that there is a man that is 1000 years old, but looks in his 30s, and he is hidden at the moment , and will appear out of the blue, and will destroy the masters/tyrants of this world, and bring peace and harmony that was never experienced in this world's existence.
:Subhan-Allah.

Tahirah90, on 03 April 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Salam aleikum brother,

thank you for the explanation. May Allah swt save us from this ridiculous idea! And may the ones believing in such an hideously nationalistic, narcissistic and egocentric theory be guided towards the path of truth, insha'Allah!

I do think that although I might be gaining outdated knowledge now, it is better than doing nothing. Allah swt gave me the chance to study at a University and I am grateful for this opportunity, if it will help me with understanding the logic of the Qu'ran more it is already a gain.

Zionist funded institutions created by the parasitical  :Banu-Umayyds.like schools and universities  are not created for the teaching of TRUTH.
:Allah.(swt) has given you the chance when he gave you :Islam. the :Quran. the beloved :Rasool.(PBUHAHF) and the immaculate :Ahylul-Bayt..
Universities will take them away from you , just look at all the mind controlled debt slaves today void of real critical thinking .

Edited by :Sami, 03 April 2012 - 09:27 PM.

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Tahirah90, on 03 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

Brother, first of all it is not forbidden to look into the proof that is out there for the truth revealed in the Holy Qu'ran. Not everything in the Qu'ran is straight forward, that makes it so wondrous and beautiful! But if no one ever looked into what the sayings in the Qu'ran meant or could mean, we would have had no interpretation what so ever, and who are we to think that we understand the Divine message of the Qu'ran fully?

Gaining more knowledge in several fields is actually encouraged by the Holy Prophet (a.s.). Islamic knowledge (which includes knowledge on all aspects of life (and death)) is of great importance to us, so why would you discourage anyone trying to gain more knowledge in the way of Allah swt? Your Iman does not increase by reading the Qu'ran and not (wanting to put effort into) understanding it; for understanding the Holy Message within the Qu'ran (at least to the best of our capabilities) will eventually lead us to live a more pios life! So baseline I do not agree with what you are saying brother. And I sincerely hope your way of addressing me is not one of disrespect.

I am sorry if I have Hurt You.
Think Logically.

Ok Now Consider This Is
(Theory Of Evolution)- Charles Darwin.
Now It does not end Here.This Theory Surely Has Branches.Many Infact.The Evil Multiplies. And Goes On. You will come across many things, Infact Many. How many shall you go through. How many . Trust me there are many evil theories assisting the Evolution.

Sister Everything has a Start May it be The Truth Or The Evil.

Now What I want to conclude is with this.

96:2 Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood ['alaq علق]:

This Is the Start Of the Truth

________________________
Theory Of Evolution:

This is The Start Of the Evil


As for the Ones who Support the Theory of Evolution, It doesn't Err me
Its Like I say to them Ok Fine Your Ancestors Evolved From Apes. And Not mine.

Yes Seek knowledge.I am Not Stopping You.Surely You Should Seek. Go Seek. But Hoping You do not wste your time much which could be used to gain something worthy of learning.

I will Explain You More clearly later

[Pascal]

Tahirah90, on 26 March 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

What I have perceived is that the theory on animal evolution is generally supported,

It's past 'general', as a biologist i can tell you its one of the most widely supported and accepted ideas in all of science. It's a lie to say that theres any sort of legitimate debate or alternate idea about this in the scientific community, maybe the untrained public squabbling amongst themselves but the evidence for it is insurmountable if you actually know what you're looking at.

Tahirah90, on 26 March 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

and therewith the notion that all humans are related, for they all stem from Prophet Adem (a.s.).

I proved in another thread why this was impossible. I found the ages of all the prophets from Adam to muhammed and added them, that was about..4000..years. Humanity is much...much older than that. We have fossils much much older than that.

Tahirah90, on 26 March 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

For this notion was also proposed by Charles Darwin, who himself was a theologian, he suggested that we all come from a common source, this could also refer to the fact that all organisms on earth are made out of 'earth' by Allah swt and that non can be produced from 'scratch' by the creations themselves.

Evolution only talks about how life evolves and how life already comes out from pre-existing life. It doesn't talk about the actual origin of life.

:Sami, on 31 March 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

agree brother ,
shall we start with Charles Darwin himself , the founder ?
shall we discuss his masonic ties and his very masonic family?
shall we discuss his theory of natural selection which combined with Eugenics movement giving birth to Nazi third reich .
shall we discuss  his buddies like Huxley, Marx and Hitler and their  agendas that lead to Zionism.
or perhaps Socialist Darwinism and Eugenics , now termed as Transhumanism.
And the NWO and the extermination of the weaker race (mainly us).
where would you like to start ?

https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Ad_hominem / http://www.nizkor.or...ad-hominem.html

You're not going to get any serious respect amongst educated people arguing like that.

The idea of natural selection was around before darwin.

Just because social darwinism has the word darwinism in the name, dont let it confuse you....doesnt mean it has anything to do with darwin. The idea of social darwinism and survival of the fittest has always existed in society, in ancient sparta where they'd just leave out weak babies to die for instance. In viking societies...ect. Well before darwin.

NWO...thats where you lost me...conspiracy theories...really?

You'd actually find the religious right wing, the ones who don't believe in evolution, are more in favour of social darwinism and survivial of the individual. They're not in favour of government health care...free universities...unemployment benefits.... ect. As compared to the left wing who tend to believe in evolution more. Again...this had nothing to do with darwins theory about how species develop...its just the way they named a very old idea (like i said above).

Its been absolutely done to death in this thread - http://www.shiachat....lam/page__st__0

Edited by kingpomba, 04 April 2012 - 11:23 PM.

[Ibn-Ahmed Aliyy Herz]

When philosophy first came on the scene,the Muslims didn't know how to respond to it due to the fact that they were unfamiliar with the subject. What end up happening was ulema like Imam al ghazali r.a. and other Muslim mutakallamin started studying the science and answering them,and famously ended up refuting the entire subject.


Philosophy can be abused and made to attack.

Same thing with science,people under the guise of science many times have a bias towards religion and will arrogantly claim their beliefs are supported by undeniable proofs,same thing the philosophers said....

Insha'Allah we will have a ghazali come and refute them.

The important thing is,you do not change your beliefs or tune your beliefs in order to refute  anything.

And fortunately they can easily be refuted by simply studying their science.

[:Sami]

kingpomba, on 04 April 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

It's past 'general', as a biologist i can tell you its one of the most widely supported and accepted ideas in all of science. It's a lie to say that theres any sort of legitimate debate or alternate idea about this in the scientific community, maybe the untrained public squabbling amongst themselves but the evidence for it is insurmountable if you actually know what you're looking at.




I proved in another thread why this was impossible. I found the ages of all the prophets from Adam to muhammed and added them, that was about..4000..years. Humanity is much...much older than that. We have fossils much much older than that.


Evolution only talks about how life evolves and how life already comes out from pre-existing life. It doesn't talk about the actual origin of life.



https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Ad_hominem / http://www.nizkor.or...ad-hominem.html

You're not going to get any serious respect amongst educated people arguing like that.

The idea of natural selection was around before darwin.

Just because social darwinism has the word darwinism in the name, dont let it confuse you....doesnt mean it has anything to do with darwin. The idea of social darwinism and survival of the fittest has always existed in society, in ancient sparta where they'd just leave out weak babies to die for instance. In viking societies...ect. Well before darwin.

NWO...thats where you lost me...conspiracy theories...really?

You'd actually find the religious right wing, the ones who don't believe in evolution, are more in favour of social darwinism and survivial of the individual. They're not in favour of government health care...free universities...unemployment benefits.... ect. As compared to the left wing who tend to believe in evolution more. Again...this had nothing to do with darwins theory about how species develop...its just the way they named a very old idea (like i said above).

Its been absolutely done to death in this thread - http://www.shiachat....lam/page__st__0

I'm not after respect from so called "educated " debt slaves.
I'm here to awaken a few :Shias. that have been asleep listening to the mindless propaganda taught by mainstream media, universities , schools and some mosques.
I'm here to remind our slogan "Neither  east nor west", left or right , science or religion, or any other mass programmed propaganda.
As a :Shia. I find some conspiracy theories very fascinating .
We believe in the mother of all conspiracy theories ,you see  there exists a man in perhaps an alternate universe or timeline , who is over 1000 years old but looks in his 30s , is a perfect being with advance technologies and abilities that can cure all diseases, solve poverty , end wars , bring peace and harmony and rid this world of all falsehood. He together with 313 spiritual and technologically advanced beings can communicate to all entities, animals , insects , control the elements of nature and unlock all secrets of the universe and bring back REAL KNOWLEDGE that his eminent forefathers started.
This was thought to us many years ago.
Therefore when I come conspiracy theorist talking of , looking glass project ,HAARP, extra-intra dimensional entities , space /time travel ,a group of people controlling the world , depopulation , etc etc etc , as a :Shia , it's no surprise , we have known it all the time.
We don't need to go to Zionist mind control  mass propaganda schools and universities to get indoctrinated , we have the holy :Quran. for the truth, together with our :Prophet.(PBUHAHF) and the most knowledgeable :Ahylul-Bayt. . which :Allah.(swt) has blessed  .
For those that have been blessed by being invited to the TRUTH by our merciful :Allah.(swt) like sister Tahirah90 , I was merely reminding her that :Bani-Umayyad. , Rockefella and Rothchilds funded institutions will not teach the message of :Islam, but take you away from it.
And to argue with mass controlled sheeple that believe  , it's either right or left wing , science or religion ,evolution or creation , I rather finish my falafel roll.

Edited by :Sami, 05 April 2012 - 04:46 AM.