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[baradar_jackson]

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[baradar_jackson]

^ If you don't like his accent, here is a song in Farsi, made after the 2008 war in Gaza:

[Noah-]

^They are not worth it... Palestinians never understand anything except whatever is fed to them by their own enemies. They are the most backward, ignorant, lazy and racist people in the entire world... No wonder they have to deal with an apartheid government.

A Palestinian would say: Shias+Persians have conspiracies against Palestinians somehow and they are doing Taqiya; these songs will just to trick Palestinians so Shias can take over Masjid alaqsa.

[Noura]

Noah do you actually know any palestinian, have you ever met a palestinain ?

[Noah-]

^Well I met Palestinians; I spoke with Palestinians before... But, usually not about politics or things like that, just social interaction... The facts have nothing to do with 'Noah knowing Palestinians' or meeting them or not.

I am speaking of the general attitudes in Palestine, I am speaking of historical facts, I know, read, view and listen to Palestinian political movements.

I extremely cared for Palestine and Palestinians for years, mainly because of the Iranians governments propagating for them and thus the Shia clerics everywhere recalling their sufferings which have impacts on Shia communities around the world and because of Imam Khomeini's historical approach toward the case of Palestine... I thought the same way that Lebanese are occupied and oppressed and are in needs of sympathies and at least are thankful to people's care and prayers for them... But, turned out that there is  HUDGE DIFFERENCE between the two.. I kept ignoring the facts all the time.. like when if you believe in something it is not easy to believe the opposite.. that is how I was in regards to Palestine.. Until that I was shocked by what I heard and saw on how low these people could get...during the events that hit Iraq after the American invasion. Then, after that when my eyes were opened, I saw nothing but all those sorts of things I stated on the first reply and many more.

And I am sure, the same way Arafat slapped Iranians.. the same way these current Palestinian groups will slap Iran and Lebanese to the face (the only people who cared for them for years while very single Sunni even denied them food and water and closed their borders, called them terrorists and arrested them whenever they found them). Then, it is going to be too late for the Iranians and Lebanese to feel sorry for the decades of relations with these people! Spending their time, energy and resources on a group of a few million of people in Gaza on a waste cause which has nothing to with Shias, especially if we are not considered as part of the 'Ummah (Sunnis)' according to these Takfiris.... Instead, all those should have been spent on 45 million helpless Shias of Yemen, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Afghanistan and Baharin who are in need & suffering and who will not turn around and call the occupier Israel and the only supporter Iran as involved in Palestinian conflict equally and Rafidhis this and Persians that...

Edited by Noah-, 19 March 2012 - 09:52 PM.

[Noura]

Noah Palestinains are one of the most literate people in the Middle East, and before the creation or influx of Islamism which is a horrible thing for the whole region, the Palestinians were probably one of the most secular people in the middle east.

And Noah u still have not given me the reason u hate them so much., "Until that I was shocked by what I heard and saw on how low these people could get...during the events that hit Iraq after the American invasion. Then, after that when my eyes were opened, I saw nothing but all those sorts of things I stated on the first reply and many more." and what does that mean.. And how has the Palestinians called on Israel who still occupies their land that makes no sense.. Also the Palestinian issue has always been one inside the Arab realm, and has been supported by Arab countries. And how much money has Iran actually given to the Palestinians ?

Edited by Noura, 19 March 2012 - 10:26 PM.

[Noah-]

Noura, on 19 March 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Noah Palestinains are one of the most literate people in the Middle East, and before the creation or influx of Islamism which is a horrible thing for the whole region, the Palestinians were probably one of the most secular people in the middle east.

And Noah u still have not given me the reason u hate them so much., "Until that I was shocked by what I heard and saw on how low these people could get...during the events that hit Iraq after the American invasion. Then, after that when my eyes were opened, I saw nothing but all those sorts of things I stated on the first reply and many more." and what does that mean.. And how has the Palestinians called on Israel who still occupies their land that makes no sense.. Also the Palestinian issue has always been one inside the Arab realm, and has been supported by Arab countries. And how much money has Iran actually given to the Palestinians ?

Most literate people? This has nothing to do with what I said. I did not say they are the most illiterate people.
How much Iran given to Palestine? I am not banking for Palestinians in Iran, so I wouldn't know that. Perhaps, it was one of the biggest financer of half of Palestine for at least one decade by now. And everything is not about the money. Iran offered and did support Palestine in all aspects and in all areas and sided with it and Lebanon as the US and EU did with Israel... does the West just send money to Israel or does 100s of other stuffs as well, the important stuffs as well??? It is a war of politics and military confrontation that requires thousands of needs... the same way they did to Israel... Iran did to these two countries... while every single Sunni country ignored them and never took the risk to ever be questioned or confront the West over the case of helping Palestine or Lebanon.

Edited by Noah-, 19 March 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[ShiaBen]

I've came up with a solution to put a distinction between the ones we support and the ones we oppose.

From now on when we talk about innocent pious thoughtful Palestinians we'll label them "Gazans" (I think incidentally these are the ones that happened to be the ones converting to 12ver after realizing the power and support of Shiite Islam and Iran).

While those back stabbers will be called Palestinians.

So there you have it. We are supporters of Gazans, not Palestinians lol.

[Noura]

Noah Iran supports Hamas and the Islamic Jihad which is their right and who share their Islamist ideology, while the "Sunni" arab countries support Fatah and the Palestinian authority . Iran supports those who have done everything to resolve this whole issue through dialog, while the "Sunni" arab countries supported the people who want to resolve this whole issue through dialog.

Also the Palestinian issue is something that most Arabs support, and Iran supporting the most rejectionist and Islamist is a pr ploy in most cases to gain popularity in an area where there popularity is low.

Edited by Noura, 19 March 2012 - 11:05 PM.

[Professor Higgins]

FYI the literacy rate in the West Bank and Gaza is close to 91 %, which is the third-highest in the Middle East ( after Israel and Lebanon).

[Noah-]

Noura, on 19 March 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Noah Iran supports Hamas and the Islamic Jihad which is their right and who share their Islamist ideology, while the "Sunni" arab countries support Fatah and the Palestinian authority .

Sunni countries or Arab countries never helped Palestine whatsoever. The only time they had 'some kinds of meetings' and official exchanges when the West accepted Fatah. If the West or Israel declares those kinds of exchanges illegal then no Sunni or Arab country will make a single move.

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Iran supports those who have done everything to resolve this whole issue through dialog, while the "Sunni" arab countries supported the people who want to resolve this whole issue through dialog.

Also the Palestinian issue is something that most Arabs support, and Iran supporting the most rejectionist and Islamist is a pr ploy in most cases to gain popularity in an area where there popularity is low.

1st of all thanks for this post, this is what I was talking about of how most Palestinians listen to their own enemies who occupied them on what Iran is really doing and what are its intentions. One is the occupier who occupied the entire country and killed/tortured thousands, the other is the supporter to enable people to fight for their rights, but somehow at the end of the day, they are both equally bad.

And 2ndly, don't lie here... Iran supports the most rejectionist and Islamists? And Sunnis support the people? These so called Sunni rejectionists and Islamists are the same groups who in the last elections won 70% of the votes of the entire Palestinians..THAT IS THE PALESTINIAN SOCEITY...
And btw: It is not only the Islamists or the secular or things like that, Shias and Iran are hated by all sorts of Palestinians.

And also there is no such thing as secularism in Arab countries; that is a joke... They are a bunch of sectarians, racist, oppressors and what not... none of the qualities that a secular people or government have is ever attached to these so called Arab seculars or socialists. The Islamists in Turkey, Iran and Indonesia for example are way open minded, tolerant, and less sectarian-less tribalist than the so called secular Arabs.

Edited by Noah-, 20 March 2012 - 01:41 PM.

[Noura]

Noah for the last forty years the Palestinian cause was an arab cause and was and is supported by Arab countries.

And u still have not told me why u hate Palestinians so much. And do u represent the less sectarian iranian aproach lol, everything with u is about how shias are hated shia this and shia that , the real sectarian one is u. Also Abdel Nasser the most prominent Arab nationalist leader in the 20th century, was the one who pushed the el zahar university to accept the shia's as an islamic school of thought btw.

And look at Tunisia, it is basically a European country were women and men have equal rights, where all religions are welcomed, where people have the freedom to dress how they want and be how they like, the same with Morocco, and Lebanon. And turkey is already a supremely secularist system, the "Islamist" there have never proposed in turning that country into a religious state, the same with Indonesia. And is there Iranian nationalism ?

Also Hamas did not win 70 % of the elections.

Edited by Noura, 20 March 2012 - 02:35 PM.

[Noah-]

^ You are repeating the same thing over and over again... Sunnis did help for 40 years... ya right... They should continue to help.

I hate no people... I have no reason to hate Palestinians or Iranians or people of any country... that is just stupid... I state facts from what I seen and learned all these years.

At the end of the day I have no arguments against you, my messages were to Shia viewers and readers on how we should deal with the case of Palestine! But, somehow you hate that? Then from the other hand you accuse Iran and Shias of using the cause of Palestinians and it is Sunni Arab countries who fought all these years and sacrificed for Palestine? YOU SHOULD AGREE AND SUPPORT my words for telling Shias to distance themselves from Palestine.. You don't want people who are after popularity in Palestine, right?  Then here we go: you mind your own business and we Shias will  mind our own.

[Noura]

Noah u have never stated any facts . And not hating u called Palestinians low lifes, the most backward people ever, lazy, ignorant and that is not hatting and degrading a whole people . And u are not sectarian wallah.

Edited by Noura, 20 March 2012 - 03:47 PM.

[Noah-]

^Well, I have reasons to attribute those terms to them.. there is nothing racist about that. That is how they did and how they approached occupiers, this is how they approached the people who helped them, this is how they never fought wise but chose to became refugees in millions and instead explode themselves in other countries... and 100s of other activities that are fed to them by the very same enemies who occupied them, killed them and rule them.

[Noura]

Noah do you think the Palestinians chose to become refugees in the "millions", and which country did they explode themselves, and what other hundreds of activities, attribute them to be called backwards, ignorant, lazy, low life's, and racists.

Edited by Noura, 20 March 2012 - 04:01 PM.

[Noah-]

^I have no time to go over and over again and reason with you... I already replied and answered all these under a different topic a few weeks ago.

[Noura]

Actually u have never answered me, u only posted part of an article from maan saying that gazan police attacked shia worshipers, thats all, and if that warrant's calling a whole people a bunch of negative names and insulting them then i don't get ur logic to say it nicely.

Edited by Noura, 20 March 2012 - 04:19 PM.

[Noah-]

lol I am crazy? I don't know what you consider an answer? !!!! But, nothing I said was crazy! It is you who can't accept the truth.

[Noura]

Noah what was ur answer ? And what is the truth ?

[Noah-]

^You are a kid or what? How old are you? I replied with pages over there, but you denied them all... How can I fit the truth inside your empty head while you consider them all lies?

What about the last comment? If you don't want Shias to intervene in Palestine then why you argue against my arguments? Why you are not happy? Go back to your nationalist Arabs and leave Shias and Iran alone...  making me really bored here!!!!!

[Noura]

Noah u said Palestinians explode themselves in other countries but u never showed proof, u call Palestinians as a whole people a bunch of names ie backwards, lazy, low lifes, ignorant, and racist, but u never show any proof for calling a WHOLE PEOPLE  a bunch of names and degrading them and insulting them, and then u said Palestinians wanted as a millions to become refugees but u offer no proof that they wanted to be forced out of their native homes to become refugees,  and unlike u I don't see the world as Shia/Sunni or even Christian/Muslims if Iran wants to help the Palestinains then better for the Palestinains, but I don't deny Iran's interests and helping them, and i don't refer to or even generalise on a whole people and insult them like u do.

Edited by Noura, 20 March 2012 - 04:38 PM.

[Noah-]

Well, when I discussed the reactions of Palestinians and their attitudes towards Alzarqawi, Saddam, Iran, Hizb, Shias, Shias in Gaza, and many other things... then you simply deneid them!!! And yes they are refugees because they are lazy and ignorant. For example, Afghanistan was occupied by Russians and even the communist government of Afghanistan sided with them... They freed their country in 10 years by fighting from nothing, with 2.5 million killed and millions suffered. But, Palestinians instead chose to leave in million because they were forced or whatever.. ok then what you want now? 65 years of drama with no result and only a few thousands killed or in prison in 65 years? Either choose to fight and stop this lazy ass behavior or stop making a big deal out of this conflict which is a source of headache for all regional countries.

Anyhow I don't want to repeat myself 20 times because somehow Zarqwee was not officially welcomed by Hamas and Hamas denied that or etc...

Again, you ignored my point again,

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What about the last comment? If you don't want Shias to intervene in Palestine then why you argue against my arguments? Why you are not happy? Go back to your nationalist Arabs and leave Shias and Iran alone... making me really bored here!!!!!

[Noura]

Noah are u an afghani ? Also the Russians did not want to ethnically clense the Afghanis like the Isralies want with the Palestinains nor did they want Afghanistan as a natioanl homeland for all jews, also everyone supported the afghanis the Cia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, America, Iran,  they were not a lone, and the strength of Russia was different then the strength of Israel and America. And Noah if Iran and certain powers were not supporting Hamas and the Jihad group during the 80s and 90s then this whole conflict probably could of been resolved .

[Noah-]

^ I gave Afghanistan an example... but, anyhow, so if it is Iran's fault for 65 years of Israel bangging Palestinians... then I for the 4th time ask you this question: then why you get upset and argue against me when I say Iran and Shias should mind their business and let the Palestinian Salafist - Nationalists to decide for themselves?

YES, IT WAS IRAN who mainly managed and ENABLED to free South of Lebanon and stop Israel's occupation of Lebanon. Since you are a hater, you will never accept that, but the people of South Lebanon do and are thankful for Iranians aids and friendship. If it weren't for Iran's help, Gaza was already included in Israeli map and alaqsa destroyed. But, you hate the fact to accept Iran's hand as a defender, but instead call her responsible for the conflicts.

Now that Hamas cut ties with Iran and Syria, you are free to maintain talks with Israel and see how much bones the Israelis will throw for you.

Edited by Noah-, 20 March 2012 - 05:29 PM.