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[Quranist]

message of ISLAM is really simple but people are complicating it to take benefit from it and trying to take an undefine advantage and make money out of it.....

no one can give  a person hidaya but Allah Subhanu,In quraan Allah states it at number of places,even if Imam arrives it wont be create any benefit untill and unless it is destine in destiny to get hidaya.

23 years of company of Muhammed(s) didnt changed any thing in kufr filled mind of aabu bakar,usmaan and umar,how is it possible any mullah can change your destiny by his bayan and his speeches.

message of islaam is simple

worship one GOD and do all goodness to human kind,any thing added to this is man made fitnah to divert idea of humanity to gain personal benefits.

message of ahlul bayt was simple,do goodness and worship Allah and obey quraanic commands,ahlul bayt was sent by Allah to show momeenin practically how one can stick to quraanic commands.

only messhiyah for humankind if Allah subhanu and his people of Imaan....

[ateef]

yamolaAlimadad, on 13 March 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

message of ISLAM is really simple but people are complicating it to take benefit from it and trying to take an undefine advantage and make money out of it.....

no one can give  a person hidaya but Allah Subhanu,In quraan Allah states it at number of places,even if Imam arrives it wont be create any benefit untill and unless it is destine in destiny to get hidaya.

23 years of company of Muhammed(s) didnt changed any thing in kufr filled mind of aabu bakar,usmaan and umar,how is it possible any mullah can change your destiny by his bayan and his speeches.

message of islaam is simple

worship one GOD and do all goodness to human kind,any thing added to this is man made fitnah to divert idea of humanity to gain personal benefits.

message of ahlul bayt was simple,do goodness and worship Allah and obey quraanic commands,ahlul bayt was sent by Allah to show momeenin practically how one can stick to quraanic commands.

only messhiyah for humankind if Allah subhanu and his people of Imaan....

Change Your Mind First. I see Nothing in You.

But Spreading Ignorance

[md. ammar ali]

ateef, on 23 March 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Change Your Mind First. I see Nothing in You.

But Spreading Ignorance

yamolaAlimadad, on 13 March 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

23 years of company of Muhammed(s) didnt changed any thing in kufr filled mind of aabu bakar,usmaan and umar,

ateef i'm afraid your problem is only this statement right

Edited by varun loves ahlulbayt, 23 March 2012 - 11:52 AM.

[ateef]

varun loves ahlulbayt, on 23 March 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

ateef i'm afraid your problem is only this statement right

My Problem Is You People Do Not Use Your Brains and Seek Guidance.Shall Make A new post ABout It

[MALANGG]

^^^^ caste

[ateef]

CHARGERZ, on 24 March 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

^^^^ caste

If You refering to me.Sorry. i have nothing bad in me towards anyone. I am not of the Sunni nor shia nor wahabi

[md. ammar ali]

ateef, on 24 March 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

My Problem Is You People Do Not Use Your Brains and Seek Guidance.Shall Make A new post ABout It

ohhhhhh subanAllah

we dont use brains but wahabis use that is why they follow the true islam - is this what you meant

i ask you a simple question then
if you were present on the day of battle of jamal which side would you fight
please do answer this

anyways waiting for the new post

[ateef]

varun loves ahlulbayt, on 24 March 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

ohhhhhh subanAllah

we dont use brains but wahabis use that is why they follow the true islam - is this what you meant

i ask you a simple question then
if you were present on the day of battle of jamal which side would you fight
please do answer this

anyways waiting for the new post

I never meant Wahabis use..Listen Varun..I do not like things which are messy and less evidence.and i do not bother to go in them.

And i do not join into anything with less keenness

will answer u someday at the moment and as always

neutrals better.

I

I think that battle did not take place its created by Fools or Satanic cheap weak game.Indeed his games are weak.

It is a script.To divide Muslims In Shia-Sunni..

Why sects are not there in Islam today.So many.They do flourish.

Every New Sect do not require a reason like war to flourish.

This is to put hatred between Two Brothers Muslims.
.

and

some  Bad Souls Enjoyment  and they like to BLOW in the FIRE.

I Hope I have cleared.

Edited by ateef, 24 March 2012 - 02:16 PM.

[Shia_Debater]

ateef, on 24 March 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

I never meant Wahabis use..Listen Varun..I do not like things which are messy and less evidence.and i do not bother to go in them.

And i do not join into anything with less keenness

will answer u someday at the moment and as always

neutrals better.

I

Neutral isn't always better. If people remained Neutral at the battle of Jamal and didn't help the Imam of their time what would have happened?

If people remained Neutral instead of helping Imam Hussain what would have happened?

This idea of remaining Neutral and saying both Imam Ali and A'isha were on the right path, or both Imam Ali and Muwawiya (la) were on the right path, or both Imam Hussain and Yazeed (la) were on the right path, doesn't make sense.

And if you wish to not go into it, then maybe it is because you are worried about what you will find out?

[md. ammar ali]

ateef, on 24 March 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

I never meant Wahabis use..Listen Varun..I do not like things which are messy and less evidence.and i do not bother to go in them.

And i do not join into anything with less keenness

will answer u someday at the moment and as always

neutrals better.

I

I think that battle did not take place its created by Fools or Satanic cheap weak game.Indeed his games are weak.

It is a script.To divide Muslims In Shia-Sunni..

Why sects are not there in Islam today.So many.They do flourish.

Every New Sect do not require a reason like war to flourish.

This is to put hatred between Two Brothers Muslims.
.

and

some  Bad Souls Enjoyment  and they like to BLOW in the FIRE.

I Hope I have cleared.

see ateef
the point is that when a battle is fought

both of them cannot be right isnt it?

1 is on the right path while the other is in the effect of satan and is wrong

so forget about the personalities

just see the truth

where justice is?

so you have to be clear
you cannot escape by saying it is just a fitna ,occured 1400 years back so leave it

so if you are 100% true that you are on the right path then you should be able to answer any question

tell me which side would you take iff you were present in the battle of jamal/camel/basra and why?

thats it

after all i am asking you our own histroy and not that of jews or americans or about world war or something

why you guys do not wanna answer this question??????

[ateef]

Shia_Debater, on 24 March 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Neutral isn't always better. If people remained Neutral at the battle of Jamal and didn't help the Imam of their time what would have happened?

If people remained Neutral instead of helping Imam Hussain what would have happened?

This idea of remaining Neutral and saying both Imam Ali and A'isha were on the right path, or both Imam Ali and Muwawiya (la) were on the right path, or both Imam Hussain and Yazeed (la) were on the right path, doesn't make sense.

And if you wish to not go into it, then maybe it is because you are worried about what you will find out?

What if this was a fake myth created to divide us.

varun loves ahlulbayt, on 24 March 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

see ateef
the point is that when a battle is fought

both of them cannot be right isnt it?

1 is on the right path while the other is in the effect of satan and is wrong

so forget about the personalities

just see the truth

where justice is?

so you have to be clear
you cannot escape by saying it is just a fitna ,occured 1400 years back so leave it

so if you are 100% true that you are on the right path then you should be able to answer any question

tell me which side would you take iff you were present in the battle of jamal/camel/basra and why?

thats it

after all i am asking you our own histroy and not that of jews or americans or about world war or something

why you guys do not wanna answer this question??????

I think very Interested In My side.

Here Listen

If I would be there.  I would take the side of goodness.Preservrance.

To stop both of the sides fighting with each other.Yes thats the best side.

Edited by ateef, 25 March 2012 - 02:15 AM.

[md. ammar ali]

ateef, on 25 March 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

What if this was a fake myth created to divide us.

haha lol

battle of jamal isnt a myth

it did take place in the city of basra

it is a authenticated histroy even in sunni books

ateef, on 25 March 2012 - 02:15 AM, said:

I think very Interested In My side.

Here Listen

If I would be there.  I would take the side of goodness.Preservrance.

To stop both of the sides fighting with each other.Yes thats the best side.

that is what i am asking what is goodness?

which side had justice
which side was good (forget about personalities - just see the TRUTH)

so how would YOU STOP that war when great people like imam ali and other sahaba couldnt


so again you are saying - neutral side indirectly

see my question is very simple WHICH SIDE WOULD YOU TAKE IN THE BATTLE OF JAMAL?

again please donot reply - neutral or dont know or may be this or may be that or i would run away oooorr dont talk about that itz fitna fitna we arent allowed in our school of thought to talk about these issues...............................

my point is very clear - if you think u are 100% right (your school of thought) then give the answer - either this side or that side and explain briefly why so????????????????

[MALANGG]

So ateef you are being ready to make a new sector which follows only a simple message and thinks that every history whther its shia or sunni is a myth.

[ateef]

Al-Hassan ibn ‘Ali said: ‘Ali called for Muhammad ibn Muslimah so he was brought to him and he asked: “Why not participate in this?” Ibn Muslimah said: Your cousin (Prophet) gave me this sword and said: “Fight with it as long as you are fighting the enemy but when you see the people kill each other then seek a rock and strike it then retire to your home until you are dead or killed by a hand.” ‘Ali then told his men: “Leave him be.”

Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal 4/225, Shu’ayb al-Arnaout said: all its chains are Hasan.


The Prophet SAWS gave a sword to Muhammad ibn Muslimah and said: “Make Jihad with this but when the people differ then strike the rocks with it, then enter your house until you are assassinated by an evil hand or until your time has come to die.”

al-Tabarani in al-Mu’ujam al-Kabir 7/301


So You Both Excuse Me. Do Not Be unjust in giving Options. You gave me Two.I have Three.

I Choose the Third One.Mentioned Above.

[md. ammar ali]

^^ i am not talking about options brother

just tell me on whose side was justice and who was fighting for truth and islam


thats it


now again please donot say hmnnnnnnn i have the ..........i think .......i guess...............................i have no option or both were good


how can both be good?????? at the same time


so please do tell the answer what you get in your mind even if it is ayesha......

so that we can have a debate on that

[ateef]

varun loves ahlulbayt, on 25 March 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

^^ i am not talking about options brother

just tell me on whose side was justice and who was fighting for truth and islam


thats it


now again please donot say hmnnnnnnn i have the ..........i think .......i guess...............................i have no option or both were good


how can both be good?????? at the same time


so please do tell the answer what you get in your mind even if it is ayesha......

so that we can have a debate on that

Listen Varun.This part is unknown to me and I fear Allah and do not take sides until i knw the truth.

As you mentioned u do not mind me choosing ayesha, That portrays u wan me to choose that side.

You better think about yourself, how many debates u had and how many have you insulted and been a part of making mockery may it be the family of prophet or the companions.

Indeed I am on a Better Side. Allhamdullah Indeed Allah has been very Merciful to me.

[md. ammar ali]

^^ u misunderstood me brother

i didnt insult anybody and i aint'  making mockery

ive just asked your opinion about an islamic event

if you dont want to

thats fine


Allah swt is the best judge

[ateef]

varun loves ahlulbayt, on 25 March 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

^^ u misunderstood me brother

i didnt insult anybody and i aint'  making mockery

ive just asked your opinion about an islamic event

if you dont want to

thats fine


Allah swt is the best judge

That's Better.

As far as Opinions i have Already given.

Edited by ateef, 25 March 2012 - 11:21 AM.

[md. ammar ali]

^ so when will you know the truth and take a side as you said in your previous post

ill be waiting

inshaAllah