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[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Professor Higgins, on 15 March 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

This is the problem. Why should Iraq be ruled by Shia or Sunni or Kurd ?  Why can't Iraq be ruled by Iraqis ?  There is no difference between Sunni or Shia, so why keep saying Shia rule ?  When the Baath Party ruled, did they say this is Sunni Rule ?   Did they force you to abandon your religious practices ?  Then why this hatred ?

I'd imagine being a self-confessed Arab nationalist, it would indeed make a difference to you, even though you don't admit it, because a "Shia-led" Iraq would clearly shift it's ties from the Arab Sunni political nexus and closer to that of Iran, whilst strengthening ties further with the Shias of Lebanon, the Gulf and the sub-continent, being home to a newly revived Shia center, that is Najaf.

The average Arab nationalist doesn't really consider Arab Shias to be true Arabs, but rather an Iranian fifth column, with alliegances to Iran. This is also why Arab nationalism has pretty much been shunned by the Shias as it isn't really inclusive and still largely a Sunni phenomenon, in anycase Arab nationalism has failed to live up to it's post-independent promises which is also why Islamism is now the in-thing these days.

"There is no longer a way out of our present situation except by forging a road toward our objective, violently and by force, over a sea of blood and under a horizon blazing with fire" - Gamal Abdel Nasser

Yeah.. and look how that turned out.....

Edited by Propaganda_of_the_Deed, 15 March 2012 - 02:59 PM.

[Professor Higgins]

Propaganda_of_the_Deed, on 15 March 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

I'd imagine being a self-confessed Arab nationalist, it would indeed make a difference to you, even though you don't admit it, because a "Shia-led" Iraq would clearly shift it's ties from the Arab Sunni political nexus and closer to that of Iran, whilst strengthening ties further with the Shias of Lebanon, the Gulf and the sub-continent, being home to a newly revived Shia center, that is Najaf.

Yes we are against political Shi'ism. We have been fighting against poliitcal Shi'ism for the last 33 years.

Propaganda_of_the_Deed, on 15 March 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

The average Arab nationalist doesn't really consider Arab Shias to be true Arabs, but rather an Iranian fifth column, with alliegances to Iran.

This is complete BS. This is what you get by reading from Western academic and media sources. As I said, we resent political Shi'ites who may have their allegiances to iran, but we do not have a problem with normal practicing Shias.

Propaganda_of_the_Deed, on 15 March 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

This is also why Arab nationalism has pretty much been shunned by the Shias as it isn't really inclusive and still largely a Sunni phenomenon, .
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Yeah tell that to the Alawites of Syria who would probably be not seen, not heard, were it not for Arab nationalism.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Professor Higgins, on 15 March 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Yes we are against political Shi'ism. We have been fighting against poliitcal Shi'ism for the last 33 years.

And then you expect us to believe in your, "Iraqis are Iraqis, why can't we all get along" stance... implying politicized and empowered Shias ruling a Shia majority Iraq would have no political implications not to your Arab-liking? Thank you for proving my point.

[HUSSEIN24]

May Allah forgive that boy who was misguided by the invasion of the shaitan  kafirs, in my option  this boy should have been giving a chance to get his mind, heart and soul right  threw seeking Allah swt  to guide him and relieve him from such a horrific agenda, but if he chose to stay that way no matter what then Allah swt is the wise the knowing and he will judge him, another thing is that these agendas are like a plague next thing you know it enters another humans eyes and you might get contaminated so what do you do you use vaccines
to treat it or if it will get out of control you go to next step were Allah only knows what it will be.
oh Allah swt by the truth of your power and glory keep our faiths firm

[chahrazade]

This is what Emo (and Western culture) is doing to Iraq. It's making the kids turn to all this stupid stuff and turn away from and mock religion...

http://articles.lati...h-girl-20101214

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

chahrazade, on 16 March 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

This is what Emo (and Western culture) is doing to Iraq. It's making the kids turn to all this stupid stuff and turn away from and mock religion...

http://articles.lati...h-girl-20101214

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Ban is an emo, belonging to a subculture that may have gone mainstream in the rest of the world, but sure hasn't here. She pronounces it "emu." Either way, it means she's a goth with a fondness for sparkle.

"It's the duality of being simultaneously cheerful and bored with life," she says. Like a 15-year-old anywhere, she fidgets, giggles at the mention of a favorite band and brags about her defiance before blushing at the thought of such brazenness.

[ana_ma3a_al_haq]

I know that this isn''t authentic but according to my father who just came back this is really happening. They are getting stoned and the police who catches one shave the emo's hair.

[Alejandro Sosa]

chahrazade, on 16 March 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

This is what Emo (and Western culture) is doing to Iraq. It's making the kids turn to all this stupid stuff and turn away from and mock religion...

http://articles.lati...h-girl-20101214

Depressing..this is the erosion of Iraqi culture

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Zahratul_Islam, on 17 March 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Something beyond disallowing them from practicing many of their Shia beliefs, leaving them out of power, and then bombing their places of worship and the shrine of our holy imam when they rebelled?

No that was the US Airforce who did that, everyone knows that.

http://www.shiachat....18#entry2362518

[Alejandro Sosa]

Iraqiah_Shia, on 14 March 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

and Maliki, he'll be PM for a quite a time, so get used to Shia rule.

The fact that people endorse this puppet disgusts me

[Alejandro Sosa]

because he is dancing on a string for his US masters.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Mushu, on 18 March 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

How so?

Well it's not as if Maliki is literally independent of outside influence and support is he? You honestly don't think Iran will do it's upmost to support Maliki for their own interests? Would it not be preferable from their point of view, to have a leader that is friendly to Iran, given their previous relations with Iraq under Saddam? It is no revelation that Maliki is close with the Iranian government.

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It largely was due to Iran’s influence and Iranian-backed Shi’ites in the government that prompted al-Maliki to reject U.S. appeals to extend the Status of Forces Agreement beyond last December’s deadline. Those U.S. forces that were in Iraq toward the end of last year then were sent to neighboring Kuwait, which also raised questions on the limits imposed in the U.S.-Kuwaiti Status of Forces agreement.

Al-Maliki will be looking to Iran for increased infrastructure reconstruction assistance and for military training against the rising Sunni insurgents who are being joined by al-Qaida and backed by Sunni Saudi Arabia

http://www.wnd.com/2...-obama-to-iran/

http://www.guardian....hmadinejad-sadr

Alejandro Sosa, on 18 March 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

because he is dancing on a string for his US masters.

Not exactly, as per the example quoted.

Edited by Propaganda_of_the_Deed, 18 March 2012 - 09:12 AM.

[Alejandro Sosa]

Zahratul_Islam, on 18 March 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Are you even Iraqi? I am not suggesting that non-Iraqis can't have opinions on the matter.. I am merely assessing how seriously they should be taken and how much energy should be spent refuting an (for the sake of example) Iranian guy who thinks Maliki is a puppet because despite disagreeing with the substantive policy goals of the United States he once met up with the President of America and was civil and friendly.

You see America is a country we will be having relations with for a long period of time, whether you like it or not. Ideally the difference between Maliki and Saddam is that we won't consistently sell out the interests of the Iraq people throughout the course of doing so.


Who is independent of outside influence and support?

Not even close to puppetry. I have my issues with Maliki and his ego, but to suggest that he is behaving like a "slave" to any one party is inaccurate. The Sunnis in Iraq accuse him of being a puppet to Iran and the "anti imperialism" crowd says he is a slave to America. The fact is that any thoughtful or considerate individual could clearly see instances were he explicitly challenges both those assertions.

He has to play nice with both camps, which works out pretty decently for everyone.

I am Iraqi.

Good luck with your support of the USA...may the continue to rape us economically and physically, i'm sure that's what u want

[Alejandro Sosa]

I'm an Iraqi Shia who supports Iraq first and foremost, not those filthy american kafirs who you welcomed with roses and chocolate, nor the Iranians. Iraq is for Iraqis.

The government is a sham, none of my family will be voting that's for sure.

[Alejandro Sosa]

Go and tell the mothers and fathers of the young girls the US soldiers gang raped how happy you are with what the US has done to our country,. Oh wait, you can't, because the soldier killed them too. They will have an investment in Iraq till the end of days with a permanent presence and bases all over the country. Iraq is done.

Inshallah Allah will give them what they deserve.

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Can really feel that eye-raki love in this thread.

[Alejandro Sosa]

u can see who doesn't have any gheera over their country and are happy to turn a blind eye to the death and destruction brought by the US invaders, just because a 'shiite' is in power