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[Shamali]

Mujahid, on 14 March 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Bro Shamali: Please show me where did Kurds pour into the streets and support Saddam? There are no kurdish songs for Saddam, and you'll never see kurdish people pouring into the streets to support Saddam,  you gotta be completely delusional to be comparing this.



You're not part of the Iranian people, but your identity is more suitable after a Greek name?  Tell me how do you say "you" and "I" and what is a peshmarga?  They are Farsi words (same in Kurdish).  Kurds in Iran have a long history, same as other people in Iran.  


You seem to downplay Turkey's role with the Kurds, and you say you don't support the PKK. Every single Iraqi kurd I've met supports the PKK.  And nobody cares about the Iraqi shia's or Maliki (no Iraqi kurds that is). But you seem to be bent on Syria and anything anti-shia and anti-Iran.  Not normal issues for an Iraqi kurd...very odd.




PJAK is a small group, tiny, they don't even get popular support by the Iranian kurds.  Why would you mention PKK?  PKK have nothing to do with Iran, they are a Kurdish group in Turkey.










So let me get this straight, you claim to be an Iraqi Kurd.  But you seem to be really confident that Turkey will have no problems with Kurds, that they will surely come to a deal and everybody there will be happy.  You also don't support the PKK.  Yet Turkey bombs and goes into Iraqi Kurdistan quite frequently.  (you are showing that you actually have no clue at all about Kurds in Turkey, the situation and history of conflict).  You think Kurds sang songs for Saddam and poured into the streets and supported him as well.  You think the Kurdish identity should be the Greek name Mesopatamian.  You don't mind doing business with Israel or USA, where as in 1988 it was the USA that tried to deny and hide the Halabja massacre by Pan-Arab Ba'athists, only to later change their stance when it suited them.  Not only this, but now that Iraqi's voted in majority for a government, because they are shia , they do not have the right to be making the majority decisions in Iraq, mind you they are the majority!  Every Iraqi shia I've met cared about Iraq, they care about their country.  You on the other hand are just whining about anti-shia, anti-Maliki, anti-Iran (shia).  Or anything that's anti-Iranian even "culturally".

Hmmm I smell a phony.

Every Iraqi, from any corner of the country, participated in worshipping Saddam. If you did otherwise, than you would of been killed. The same policy works (maybe to a lesser extent), in Iran and Syria. You are obviously NOT Iraqi, so you wouldn't know. Of course the Kurds put up the greatest resistance towards Saddam. But that was only a portion of Kurds. The rest were forced to live under Saddam's Iraq.

I am absolutely not downplaying Turkey's role in oppressing Kurds. Many Iraqi Kurds even say that Turkey was worse to Kurds than Saddam. And in some cases, the later is true. Turkey even denied the existence of Kurds, which is equivalent to ethnic cleansing. But as of today, the Turkish government is slowly reforming it's fascist Kurdish policies, and that was my point.

Persians, Arabs and Turks have throughout history have tried to erase our identity, either through war or political repression. Even to this day, we have people like you trying to point out "similarities" between us and Iranians. We are KURDS, and are unique to the Middle East. Accepting our unique ethnic nationality is the first step to solving the Kurdish problem in the MIddle East. And for your information, "Iranian" Kurds want an INDEPENDENT Kurdistan, and not a theocracy ruled by Persians. The first Kurdish state and national movement was in occupied Iranian Kurdistan. You obviously have no knowledge of Kurdish history.

Al-Mufeed, on 14 March 2012 - 12:24 AM, said:

As a Fayli Kurd - I am very proud that my tribe is the largest in Ilam province (a province in western Iran), making it one of the largest in the country, and we are proud of our Shia - Islamic identity, we also take pride in being descendants of Amir al Mumineen through Abulfadhlul Abbas. I speak my native langauge, and I enjoy many aspects of my native culture - but I am proud of having my heritage be from a nation - The Islamic Republic of Iran - which fought with great sacrifice to establish a state based on Islamic ideals (regardless of any issues i have with specific policies, individuals in the government or particular government actions) - on principle I would rather stand with IR than any "kurdish" based movement.

My family lived in Iraq for two generations and they were forced to flea the country due to Saddam, and they returned back to Iran. Having seen what Saddam did to us for being Iranian shia kurds - I can tell you that any so called "abuse" the Islamic Republic is doing of kurds is laughable in comparison, and I would take that any day 10000x over.


Brother Shomali - I know where you are coming from, you feel that all these other ethnic groups and countries have hurt your people very much. My father was very much in to kurdish nationalism as well when he was younger (although he doesnt care that much for it any more), and yes its true many countries and groups - especially Iraqi Arabs and Turks have hurt kurds very badly, but dont allow your self to become blinded and make the focus of your life your ethnicity/language. Having some love for your background is a good thing - Hub Al Watan min al iman - love for your nation is from faith, its good that you care about the well being of your fellow Kurds, but dont let it blind you from whats really important. Remember language and ethnicity - should not be your focus in life. What really matters is your ideology and your beliefs.

Al-Mufeed,

I respect your emphasis on ideology and beliefs but, let me ask you a question, do you speak Kurdish? Will your children speak Kurdish? And will they even know that they are Kurdish? And I agree their is a sense of Kurdish nationalism amongst the Fayli Kurds. The Fayli Kurds in Diyala (in Iraq), want their regions to be under the KRG. The ones in Baghdad are more integrated within the Arab population though.

Edited by Shamali, 14 March 2012 - 12:18 PM.

[Professor Higgins]

I actually support Shamali's contention, that Iraqi Kurds are genetically closer to Iraqi Arabs and Assyrians than they are to Persians, DNA tests prove a very close genetic relationship between the populations of Kurdistan and al-jazirah ( northern part of Mesopotamia).

And yes LOTS of Kurds collaborated with Saddam.  .

[Al-Mufeed]

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Al-Mufeed,

I respect your emphasis on ideology and beliefs but, let me ask you a question, do you speak Kurdish? Will your children speak Kurdish? And will they even know that they are Kurdish?

Yes I speak kurdish fluently. I am not married and I do not have any children. What language they will speak will most probably be determined by what language my wife and I speak at home, I dont know what language my (future) wife will speak so - I cant say if they will be able to speak kurdish or not. Ironically most of the younger kurds I know - who are very much in to kurdish nationalism seem to barely be able to speak kurdish, as most of them are fluent in Arabic- Turkish or some times Farsi, their kurdish seems to be broken at best.  Obviously they would know that their father is kurdish.

Its Interesting that you mentioned language - have you noticed how different kurds speak in different regions. I tend to believe that all these claims about kurdish unity/nationalism have been greatly exaggerated. I can barely understand any thing kurds from various regions say when they talk, its nearly a completely different language, then what we (faylis) speak. When you talk about 1 nation - what exactly unites all of these various groups?

I mean being realistic how sure are any of us that we are as "kurdish" or what ever ethnicity - as we claim?  I mean how "kurdish" are we? We all get mixed with other groups, studying history we see that borders and the boundaries of various territories seem to change every few centuries (or less) - different groups move in and mix in with the populations, languages start to get mixed together and change - essentially any one from the Mid East (or any region in the world) is largely a mix of all the different people in the region. What defines them (at any given moment) is the language that they speak (which can also start to change) and what particular name the region that they live in is given at that time.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve cultural and linguistic heritage - this is one of the beauties of life - as Allah has said: "

O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted." - Surah Hujirat : 13

But look at the end of the verse after Allah mentions the beauty of diversity in society:

" Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you"

Again I tell you as a brother- you should (for the sake of your own soul and afterlife) try and remove all of this extreme nationalism/ethnocentrism from your self before it consumes you.

[Golden-crowned]

let us return to the thread's subject!

however this song is about Iran, but have you ever thought that our souls are beyond this physical realm and they don't belong to a particular region ? so why we waste our time to argue about the place where our physical body was born in it?

[repenter]

I feel like getting flamed, so here goes!!!!



Haters gonna hate, let the flaming begin!!!

[The Canuck]

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Every Iraqi, from any corner of the country, participated in worshipping Saddam. If you did otherwise, than you would of been killed. The same policy works (maybe to a lesser extent), in Iran and Syria. You are obviously NOT Iraqi, so you wouldn't know. Of course the Kurds put up the greatest resistance towards Saddam. But that was only a portion of Kurds. The rest were forced to live under Saddam's Iraq.

I am absolutely not downplaying Turkey's role in oppressing Kurds. Many Iraqi Kurds even say that Turkey was worse to Kurds than Saddam. And in some cases, the later is true. Turkey even denied the existence of Kurds, which is equivalent to ethnic cleansing. But as of today, the Turkish government is slowly reforming it's fascist Kurdish policies, and that was my point.

Persians, Arabs and Turks have throughout history have tried to erase our identity, either through war or political repression. Even to this day, we have people like you trying to point out "similarities" between us and Iranians. We are KURDS, and are unique to the Middle East. Accepting our unique ethnic nationality is the first step to solving the Kurdish problem in the MIddle East. And for your information, "Iranian" Kurds want an INDEPENDENT Kurdistan, and not a theocracy ruled by Persians. The first Kurdish state and national movement was in occupied Iranian Kurdistan. You obviously have no knowledge of Kurdish history.

So where are those videos of Kurdish people in the streets and singing for Saddam? And are you saying you want an Independent Kurdish State in Iraq, because by the way you are talking it seems you don't want that.  Some Iranian kurds may want their own state or autonomy, but it's hardly a majority nor can it be compared to Kurds in Iraq and Turkey.   You mentioned Mahabad, why don't you mention that it was when the Russians actually invaded Iran, and it was under Russian military control, why don't you also mention it was just a town, and that it only lasted a couple of months, and had no local support.  Well I know why you didn't mention that, because you're just trying to make an ignorant point when you know you have nothing else to say.

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Even to this day, we have people like you trying to point out "similarities" between us and Iranians. We are KURDS, and are unique to the Middle East.

You mentioned you are not an Iranian people, and that you should be called Mesopotamian.  I was not trying to point out similarities, I was commenting on your odd remarks for a supposed "Kurd".  Yes Kurds are their own ethnicity, and they have their own languages.  But if you want to actually discuss the similarities with Iranians it would be a lot more than just language.  So let's talk about a major Kurdish custom,  Newrooz, it happens to also be Iranian, and Farsi words, and wait even Kurds in Iraq happen to celebrate it the exact same way other Iranians do.  So you're trying to say culturally and linguistically they're close to Iranians, BUT the Kurdish identity should be named after a Greek word.  Let's forget about that, Kurds are their own people, and have their own languages.  I wasn't the one claiming Kurds are anything else.  I merely was questioning your weak arguments.

Why don't you address my main questions, since you are the one that brought it up.  Where is their any showing, of Kurds in northern Iraq pouring into the streets for Saddam? , and singing for saddam if you wish.

Secondly, so do you want an Independent Kurdish State carved out of northern Iraq?  your own country, completely separate from Iraq obviously, it's your own country  -  Yes or No

Edited by Mujahid, 14 March 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[AliSaleh]

i leik this song and the pictures becuz it shows how beautiful iran is.

[Shamali]

Mujahid, on 14 March 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

So where are those videos of Kurdish people in the streets and singing for Saddam? And are you saying you want an Independent Kurdish State in Iraq, because by the way you are talking it seems you don't want that.  Some Iranian kurds may want their own state or autonomy, but it's hardly a majority nor can it be compared to Kurds in Iraq and Turkey.   You mentioned Mahabad, why don't you mention that it was when the Russians actually invaded Iran, and it was under Russian military control, why don't you also mention it was just a town, and that it only lasted a couple of months, and had no local support.  Well I know why you didn't mention that, because you're just trying to make an ignorant point when you know you have nothing else to say.



You mentioned you are not an Iranian people, and that you should be called Mesopotamian.  I was not trying to point out similarities, I was commenting on your odd remarks for a supposed "Kurd".  Yes Kurds are their own ethnicity, and they have their own languages.  But if you want to actually discuss the similarities with Iranians it would be a lot more than just language.  So let's talk about a major Kurdish custom,  Newrooz, it happens to also be Iranian, and Farsi words, and wait even Kurds in Iraq happen to celebrate it the exact same way other Iranians do.  So you're trying to say culturally and linguistically they're close to Iranians, BUT the Kurdish identity should be named after a Greek word.  Let's forget about that, Kurds are their own people, and have their own languages.  I wasn't the one claiming Kurds are anything else.  I merely was questioning your weak arguments.

Why don't you address my main questions, since you are the one that brought it up.  Where is their any showing, of Kurds in northern Iraq pouring into the streets for Saddam? , and singing for saddam if you wish.

Secondly, so do you want an Independent Kurdish State carved out of northern Iraq?  your own country, completely separate from Iraq obviously, it's your own country  -  Yes or No

Iran hanged the first Kurdish president, and killed many founding fathers of Kurdish nationalism. And even to this day, Kurds are executed for simply being Kurds. I am not saying we want to be called by the exact name of Mesopotamian, but that we ARE Mesopotamian, you can translate that into any language and call us that for all I care. Your argument their is incredibly weak. Just because we celebrate a similar holiday to you, and share some words with your language, does not make us part of your nation. Everyone from India to Alawites in Syria celebrate Newroz, you are not making a strong case here.

Saddam had thousands of Kurdish colloborators. The Vice President from 1991-2003 of Iraq, Taha Yassin Ramadan Al-Jizrawi was a Kurd from Mosul. And he has many other collaborators (which we call Jash in Kurdish) spread all over Northern Iraq. And for the normal Kurdish citizen, of course they were forced to praise Saddam, else wise they would of been killed. This is common sense, and I do not understand why it is hard for you to understand. Watch this documentary to see for yourself. You will have to pay 1 euro, but that will be a better investment than your entire education.

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I do not mind being part of Iraq, as long as Iraq respects it's religious and ethnic minorities. And most importantly, maintains it's FEDERAL status.

[The Canuck]

LOL  So you cannot provide anything to support your claims.  Everybody knows there's always some people who sell out for money or who may have been forced to work for Saddam.  That has nothing to do with your claims.  You said that Kurds sang a song for him, you insinuated that those Kurds in Iran that poured into the streets in support-  that in Iraq the same thing happened.  This is a pure LIE.  You're actually the one that has no idea about Kurdish history.  Even in the 60's and 70's Kurds were fighting Ba'athis in Iraq.  Everytime you try to compare to Iran you're just making yourself look stupid.  

Why don't you just be honest and come out of your fake shell, you are some Arab pretending to be Kurdish lol.  That's pretty sad.

- You don't want the Kurds in Iraq to be independent.
- You say surely the Kurds in Turkey will settle things.
- You're against the PKK, the original group struggling for Kurdish rights in Turkey.  
- Even with the fact that Turkey frequently bombs and enters Kurdish Area in Iraq.
- You are vehemently against and scared of any Kurdish cultural/linguistic nearness to "The Iranians".
- If it comes up, you try to divert attention from it lol - you mentioned Mahabad, yet if you are Kurdish yourself, you know that the situations in Iraq and Turkey do not even come close, do not even come near the atrocities the Kurds have faced in Iraq and Turkey.  
- I don't think you even know culturally what goes on in Turkey, let alone Iran.
- You think Kurds poured into the streets in Support for Saddam and sang songs for him - lol (or you think they must have?)
- Okay you're Mesopotamian.

- It's okay for Israel and USA to work in Kurdish areas, but you forget that it was the USA that denied and tried to hide the Halabja massacre originally.  Which was committed by pan-arab ba'athis.  But some how you seem okay with them, indirectly.

-So you're okay with the USA....then how come you are against the majority elected Iraqi government (okay'ed by the USA ...because it was fairest form of democracy in Iraq's history), yet simply because they are shia.  You are oddly against them ...where as Kurdish people don't actually have a problem against the Iraqi shia arabs.  

I think anyone that's actually from the region can easily tell that you are phony, and you're only interest is to create fitna.

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Just because we celebrate a similar holiday to you, and share some words with your language, does not make us part of your nation. Everyone from India to Alawites in Syria celebrate Newroz, you are not making a strong case here.

Again your showing your ignorance, if you were really Kurdish you would know that Newruz is the same holiday for Kurdish and other Iranians.  The connection in India is due to a cultural and historical link from Iran.  The connection for Alawites is similarly the same, most probably from Turkey's Alevi's who also have this connection, but celebrated differently and actually having evolved differently.  It is not the same as the Newruz that the Iranians and Kurdish share.  But wait a minute, I thought you were Kurdish???  you would have known that.

Edited by Mujahid, 14 March 2012 - 09:39 PM.

[Shamali]

Mujahid, on 14 March 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

LOL  So you cannot provide anything to support your claims.  Everybody knows there's always some people who sell out for money or who may have been forced to work for Saddam.  That has nothing to do with your claims.  You said that Kurds sang a song for him, you insinuated that those Kurds in Iran that poured into the streets in support-  that in Iraq the same thing happened.  This is a pure LIE.  You're actually the one that has no idea about Kurdish history.  Even in the 60's and 70's Kurds were fighting Ba'athis in Iraq.  Everything you try to compare to Iran you're just making yourself look stupid.  

Why don't you just be honest and come out of your fake shell, you are some Arab pretending to be Kurdish lol.  That's pretty sad.

- You don't want the Kurds in Iraq to be independent.
- You say surely the Kurds in Turkey will settle things.
- You're against the PKK, the original group struggling for Kurdish rights in Turkey.  
- Even with the fact that Turkey frequently bombs and enters Kurdish Area in Iraq.
- You are vehemently against and scared of any Kurdish cultural/linguistic nearness to "The Iranians".
- If it comes up, you try to divert attention from it lol - you mentioned Mahabad, yet if you are Kurdish yourself, you know that the situations in Iraq and Turkey do not even come close, do not even come near the atrocities the Kurds have faced in Iraq and Turkey.  
- I don't think you even know culturally what goes on in Turkey, let alone Iran.
- You think Kurds poured into the streets in Support for Saddam and sang songs for him - lol (or you think they must have?)
- Okay you're Mesopotamian.

- It's okay for Israel and USA to work in Kurdish areas, but you forget that it was the USA that denied and tried to hide the Halabja massacre originally.  Which was committed by pan-arab ba'athis.  But some how you seem okay with them, indirectly.

-So you're okay with the USA....then how come you are against the majority elected Iraqi government (okay'ed by the USA ...because it was fairest form of democracy in Iraq's history), yet simply because they are shia.  You are oddly against them ...where as Kurdish people don't actually have a problem against the Iraqi shia arabs.  

I think anyone that's actually from the region can easily tell that you are phony, and you're only interest is to create fitna.

I am not against the PKK, but I do not support them either. They have policies that I agree with, and other thats I dont. But in conclusion, I am 100% for Kurdish independence from Turkey, if Kurds cannot secure their rights in that country. Kurds have 0 sympathy for Iran, and its government. And are always in the opposition in Iran. Kurds in Iraq also do not trust, nor want Iranians. You do not have to believe me, the policy of the KRG towards Iran is evidence enough. Iraqi Kurdistan is a democracy, unlike that theocratic autocracy you have running in Iran.

I am not scared of my ethnicity. No real Kurd on earth will refer to himself as something he is not. And especially would not refer to himself as Iranian. Maybe the Iranian Shia Kurds here on this forum have you fooled, but they are a minute percentage of the Kurdish population. And even the Shia Kurds in Baghdad and Diyala will vehemently refuse to be called Iranian. And if you think Iran does not commit crimes against Kurds, you are even more clueless than I initially thought. Take your Ahmadinejad propaganda out of here.

I am okay with the situation in Iraq, because Kurds have a high degree of autonomy in Iraq. I would not want Iraqi Kurdistan to be administered directly by Baghdad if thats what you are asking. Yes Kurds do not have anything against Shia Arabs. But their leaders, and political movements we are generally opposed to. The new threat to Iraq is not Pan-Arabism, or Baathism. But it is Shia hegemony coming from Iran, and influencing our leaders in Baghdad. Hopefully when Assad's regime falls to the ground, Iranian influence will be cut off in the region.

And you are the last person on earth I need to prove that I am Kurdish. I can speak Kurdish fluently. And you and this forum are extremely paranoid, and will call anyone "phony" or will claim a "conspiracy" if you do not agree with them. You are in constant denial.

Edited by Shamali, 14 March 2012 - 09:59 PM.

[The Canuck]

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I am not against the PKK, but I do not support them either. They have policies that I agree with, and other thats I dont. But in conclusion, I am 100% for Kurdish independence from Turkey, if Kurds cannot secure their rights in that country. Kurds have 0 sympathy for Iran, and its government. And are always in the opposition in Iran. Kurds in Iraq also do not trust, nor want Iranians. You do not have to believe me, the policy of the KRG towards Iran is evidence enough. Iraqi Kurdistan is a democracy, unlike that theocratic autocracy you have running in Iran.

I am not scared of my ethnicity. No real Kurd on earth will refer to himself as something he is not. And especially would not refer to himself as Iranian. Maybe the Iranian Shia Kurds here on this forum have you fooled, but they are a minute percentage of the Kurdish population. And even the Shia Kurds in Baghdad and Diyala will vehemently refuse to be called Iranian. And if you think Iran does not commit crimes against Kurds, you are even more clueless than I initially thought. Take your Ahmadinejad propaganda out of here.

I am okay with the situation in Iraq, because Kurds have a high degree of autonomy in Iraq. I would not want Iraqi Kurdistan to be administered directly by Baghdad if thats what you are asking. Yes Kurds do not have anything against Shia Arabs. But their leaders, and political movements we are generally opposed to. The new threat to Iraq is not Pan-Arabism, or Baathism. But it is Shia hegemony coming from Iran, and influencing our leaders in Baghdad. Hopefully when Assad's regime falls to the ground, Iranian influence will be cut off in the region.

I know about Kurds in Iraq, from the northern region.  And I know in general a view that they have, and I know many are anti-Iranian.  But I have never claimed they were Iranian.  BUT your views do not fall in line with them, because you would also know that they are even more anti-arab, the flag they raise has the Iranian colours but a Sun, a kurdish nationalistic flag.  And those kurdish people all want independence.  None of them want to be a part of Iraq.  And they don't care about shia's and sunni's, they don't care for those issues.

The reason why I asked you to back up your claims is because I knew you were making up lies.  Because if you were really a true Kurd from Northern Iraq, you would know that even in the 70's they were fighting the Ba'athis.  Saddam didn't make that propaganda because Iraq's policy was to deny Kurdish existence.  

Real Kurds from northern Iraq, by far the vast majority want their own country, and they want to run their own affairs of course, but they do not care if Iraq's government is majority shia or run by shia's , that is not an issue for Kurds.  The Iraqi shia's have been far kinder to the Kurds than have the sunnis.

So you can stop pretending.

Edited by Mujahid, 14 March 2012 - 10:04 PM.

[Shamali]

Mujahid, on 14 March 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

I know about Kurds in Iraq, from the northern region.  And I know in general a view that they have, and I know many are anti-Iranian.  But I have never claimed they were Iranian.  But your views do not fall in line with them, because you would also know that they are even more anti-arab, the flag they raise has the Iranian colours but a Sun, a kurdish nationalistic flag.  And those kurdish people all want independence.  None of them want to be a part of Iraq.  And they don't care about shia's and sunni's, they don't care for those issues.

The reason why I asked you to back up your claims is because I knew you were making up lies.  Because if you were really a true Kurd from Northern Iraq, you would know that even in the 70's they were fighting the Ba'athis.  Saddam didn't make that propaganda because Iraq's policy was to deny Kurdish existence.  

Real Kurds from northern Iraq, by far the vast majority want their own country, and they want to run their own affairs of course, but they do not care if Iraq's government is majority shia or run by shia's , that is not an issue for Kurds.  The Iraqi shia's have been far kinder to the Kurds than have the sunnis.

So you can stop pretending.

Wow another instance of an Iranian, telling someone else how to think, and who they are. Why do you think Kurds are allowing Sunni leaders to seek refuge against the Shia government in Iraq? Why do you think KRG is supporting the Syrian Revolution? Iraqi Kurdistan is on the side of the West, and not the racist, stone-age axis of Iran and its proxies. And yes many Iraqi Kurds do want independence, I agree. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion, maybe that is something you are not used to in Tehran. But it is my personal opinion, that Iraqi Kurdistan should remain part of Iraq, as long as it maintains its autonomy.

Yes Kurds were fighting against Baathists since day one. But that is not my point. My point is that anyone will make a song for a dictator, if they are forced to, or support a dictator.

Kurds do not care if the Iraqi government is majority Sunni or Shia? Are you kidding me? By far the stupidest thing you have said on this forum. Do yourself a favor, and do not meddle in our affairs, if you have no clue of whats going on. You are NOT a Kurd, but an Iranian, telling an Iraqi Kurd how he should think. As if we do not have enough of that already in Iraq.

Edited by Shamali, 14 March 2012 - 10:10 PM.

[The Canuck]

^I've never asked that question nor have I told you what to think.  I have only commented on the claims that you've made.  Which some have been false, twisted, with whatever agenda you have.  

You can be from China and you're still entitled to your opinion, I've never told you you can't have your opinion.  I merely questioned to find out and show what's more truthful.  Which anybody from that region can tell, that you aren't exactly truthful.  If you have an opinion that's fine, but trying to lie about things and put on a show is a different thing.

[bolbol]

Can you please stop hijacking this thread.

It is not about Kurds.

The Kurdish people are fictional social constructions, they are just as real as "Iranian", "French", "Bengali" people. They don't exist. We created them for stupid, illiterate, inferior herds that do not understand the world to follow our political motives, for them to have a sense of belonging, we create myths called culture where we glorify ourselves, we invent languages so we have a sense of uniqueness. It is all fake, there is no inherent reality behind these names.

If you dispute that, make your own thread, and let's see how those "DNA tests" stack up against reality.



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Edited by bolbol, 14 March 2012 - 11:08 PM.

[The Canuck]

Shamali:  Let's just look at a basic review of the things you tried to say or insinuated:

- You want Iranian kurds to separate from Iran
- You don't want Iraqi Kurds to separate from Iraq, you're a very proud Iraqi.
- You changed to a more harsher tone against Turkey, and fully support Kurdish Independence from Turkey
- You're pretty bothered by the cultural/linguistic closeness between Kurds and other Iranians (ok)
- You're against Iranian kurds who call themselves Iranians to the point that you'd insult them.

- You made a silly comment in ignorance with regards to Newruz
- You are against the majority shia government elected in Iraq, it really bothers you for some reason.  Even though they have been an oppressed people and marginalized as well.

- In a silly show of jealousy, you thought you could say that Kurds poured into the streets and supported and even sang for Saddam - lol  "they cheered for my guy too!! noooo"  - come on.


The list could go on, but it'd be a waste of time.  Anybody that's really from there could spot you a  mile away.  So just take it easy and good luck,and inshallah you'll be a more honest person when you mature.

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[Professor Higgins]

Bro Shamali, pls make a separate thread about Kurds and Kurdistan. I would like to participate.


Btw I the very fact that many Kurds and Assyrians could reach the highest echelons of the Baath Party and Iraqi Gov't prove that Saddam and his Party were not racist against non-Arabs.  An  Arab is anyone who can speak the language and claim to be one.  If you can speak Arabic and claim to be an Arab, we will accept you as an Arab, regardless of who your parents were.


Non-Arabs in the Iraqi Baath Party and Government-

Taha Yassin Ramadan

Taha Muhieddin Maarouf

Tareq Aziz (Mikhail Yuhana)

Hossam Mohammed Amin ( National Monitoring Director)

[Noah-]

Professor Higgins, on 15 March 2012 - 03:31 AM, said:

Bro Shamali, pls make a separate thread about Kurds and Kurdistan. I would like to participate.


Btw I the very fact that many Kurds and Assyrians could reach the highest echelons of the Baath Party and Iraqi Gov't prove that Saddam and his Party were not racist against non-Arabs.  An  Arab is anyone who can speak the language and claim to be one.  If you can speak Arabic and claim to be an Arab, we will accept you as an Arab, regardless of who your parents were.


Non-Arabs in the Iraqi Baath Party and Government-

Taha Yassin Ramadan

Taha Muhieddin Maarouf

Tareq Aziz (Mikhail Yuhana)

Hossam Mohammed Amin ( National Monitoring Director)

LOL People read this post carefully!

And Kurds must change their identities in order to be accepted amongst Baathists? Become Arabs? Speak Arabic and say you are Arab? And that is not racist? As I told you before, you are just retarded.

The Sodom's government wasn't only a racist government (composed of mainly of Sunni Arabs) but also a family business. How come, he gave most of the key positions to family members? And one president stayed for life? This didn't happen in most socialist/communist governments...

For your info, today in Iraq, the President is Kurdish, the foreign minister is Kurd, many other important ministries and important seats are given to Kurds. And they have a Kurdish mini government in their region. This would have never happened under the family business ran by Sodom & Baathists.

Edited by Noah-, 16 March 2012 - 09:55 PM.

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repenter, on 14 March 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

I feel like getting flamed, so here goes!!!!



Haters gonna hate, let the flaming begin!!!

Oh hell YES, this is my JAM!!!!!

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I'm happy for mods to delete all non-thread related posts.

Or lock it.

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Another fake Kurdish song by faking fakers: