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[thecontentedself]

guess the region and language

[baradar_jackson]

^ That clip is in Persian but it's just accented

And it announces the region at 00:32

[Golden-crowned]

nice song bro. tanx

[baradar_jackson]

[baradar_jackson]

Khalabanan, malavanan (Pilots, Sailors), which is in both Farsi and Turkish (Azeri):

the gay opening part, as well as the fact that for some reason the person who made this video only put images of Iranian pilots training in USA... which tbh was an embarrassing part of our history...)

Gay remake they made of it:

[hameedeh]

As I have been taught, when the US CIA coup put the Shah of Iran back on the throne, Iran was practically in the hands of the US and about forty thousand US military were living inside Iran. The Iranians who wanted to be pilots were taken to Texas for training. It is a credit to those young men, when the Shah ran away from Iran and Imam RA returned, the pilots training in Texas returned to their country. It would have been the perfect time for them to defect, but they did not. elahy shukr

[baradar_jackson]

hameedeh, on 11 March 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

As I have been taught, when the US CIA coup put the Shah of Iran back on the throne, Iran was practically in the hands of the US and about forty thousand US military were living inside Iran. The Iranians who wanted to be pilots were taken to Texas for training. It is a credit to those young men, when the Shah ran away from Iran and Imam RA returned, the pilots training in Texas returned to their country. It would have been the perfect time for them to defect, but they did not. elahy shukr

Yes. All of the pilots who flew sorties during the war, were trained in the US. Before the revolution, the more advanced stages of pilot training had to be done in the US.

But the person who uploaded this video, should have used wartime pictures instead of these US training photos!

Edited by baradar_jackson, 11 March 2012 - 04:43 PM.

[thecontentedself]

when hell freezes over, iraqis will start making videos like that

[baradar_jackson]

thecontentedself, on 11 March 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

when hell freezes over, iraqis will start making videos like that

The Kermanshah one? Yeah I like that one too.

[baradar_jackson]

Edited by baradar_jackson, 11 March 2012 - 08:25 PM.

[Shamali]

baradar_jackson, on 11 March 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

Please don't be under the illusion that Kurds support Khameini or the system in Iran. These songs are made for the same reason why songs for Saddam were made.

[bolbol]

Kurds are Iranian people.

As for Saddam, he's an Arab racist and corresponds more with your 'lifestyle' than ours.

[Shamali]

bolbol, on 12 March 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

Kurds are Iranian people.

As for Saddam, he's an Arab racist and corresponds more with your 'lifestyle' than ours.

We are NOT Iranian people. We are Mesopotamian, and DNA tests prove so. Our language may be "classified" as part of the Iranian branch, but as an ethnicity we are NOT Iranian. Any Kurd who says he is Iranian is a tool.

Edited by Shamali, 13 March 2012 - 12:51 AM.

[Noah-]

Shamali, on 13 March 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

We are NOT Iranian people. We are Mesopotamian, and DNA tests prove so. Our language may be "classified" as part of the Iranian branch, but as an ethnicity we are NOT Iranian. Any Kurd who says he is Iranian is a tool.

What ethnicity in the world is called Iranians or Iraqis or Pakistanis?

Iran is not a race, it is a country, and it really doesn't matter where the word 'Iran' or 'Iraq' come from... The fact is that today's Iran consitute of many ethnics, the same as in Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey and many more...

And Kurds, as it is stated in this forum are 50% Shia in Iran (and even the Sunni ones) have more love for their government and their Leader than to that loser ignorant Barzani Zionist agent.

We are not talking about PKK/PEJAK terrorists who run across Turkish-Iraqi border to attack women and children on the basis of ethnicity... of course those kinds of Kurds and their followers like you have no love and no place in a Shia Islamic Republic or even in a Secular Turkish Republic... and there are sings that your sectarian terrorist movements in Iraq will be soon encirculed as well... Mossad has no place in Northern Iraq and all those who host them will pay for it.

[Shamali]

Noah-, on 13 March 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

What ethnicity in the world is called Iranians or Iraqis or Pakistanis?

Iran is not a race, it is a country, and it really doesn't matter where the word 'Iran' or 'Iraq' come from... The fact is that today's Iran consitute of many ethnics, the same as in Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey and many more...

And Kurds, as it is stated in this forum are 50% Shia in Iran (and even the Sunni ones) have more love for their government and their Leader than to that loser ignorant Barzani Zionist agent.

We are not talking about PKK/PEJAK terrorists who run across Turkish-Iraqi border to attack women and children on the basis of ethnicity... of course those kinds of Kurds and their followers like you have no love and no place in a Shia Islamic Republic or even in a Secular Turkish Republic... and there are sings that your sectarian terrorist movements in Iraq will be soon encirculed as well... Mossad has no place in Northern Iraq and all those who host them will pay for it.

Eastern Kurdistan is OCCUPIED by Iran, the Kurds there have no choice but to be Iranian. Even though they are treated as second class citizens. You think the PKK/PEJAK recognize this little artificial border the West carved up? I will say that I am Iraqi, because Iraqi Kurds are free, unlike those in other countries, otherwise I would not recognize that nationality either. And we as Iraqi's can allow anyone in our territory that we want, we do not need Iran's permission. Even if we decide to allow the Mossad to operate in our areas, that is our decision to make and not yours.

[thecontentedself]

you bunch of idiots. this thread was supposed to bring people together. you fitnah mongers go find another thread to infest with your poison.

[Golden-crowned]

Shamali, on 13 March 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Eastern Kurdistan is OCCUPIED by Iran, the Kurds there have no choice but to be Iranian. Even though they are treated as second class citizens. You think the PKK/PEJAK recognize this little artificial border the West carved up? I will say that I am Iraqi, because Iraqi Kurds are free, unlike those in other countries, otherwise I would not recognize that nationality either. And we as Iraqi's can allow anyone in our territory that we want, we do not need Iran's permission. Even if we decide to allow the Mossad to operate in our areas, that is our decision to make and not yours.

calm down bro! what you have learned from shia and our imams? you have learned to stick to your ethnicity ? to feel proud of it?? if it is about proud and you want to boast  of your ethnicity then you must be proud that someone has called you Iranian!

as a shia irani girl, I love my country till the time that people over there loves ahlebayt (as)and I am proud of being irani cuz they have proved since long back ago that they never keep silence against zulm. I feel  I am sister of all shia people around the world, if anyone attacks them - wherever they are,- I will be with them to stand up against that zalm who has been aggressive to them.

you think when I see pictures of Halabje I say: ok! it is horrible! but I am not a kurd! i am an irani??? it is most foolish way that a shia can think.

[Noah-]

Shamali, on 13 March 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Eastern Kurdistan is OCCUPIED by Iran, the Kurds there have no choice but to be Iranian. Even though they are treated as second class citizens. You think the PKK/PEJAK recognize this little artificial border the West carved up? I will say that I am Iraqi, because Iraqi Kurds are free, unlike those in other countries, otherwise I would not recognize that nationality either. And we as Iraqi's can allow anyone in our territory that we want, we do not need Iran's permission. Even if we decide to allow the Mossad to operate in our areas, that is our decision to make and not yours.

Stop BS plz.. you little hater. Now you are telling me that Kurds have better living conditions in Iraq than Iran? Because a few western firms came in and made direct deals with a few puppets? What about life conditions? The lastest news I read is that majority of Kurds in Iraq are supper angry over living conditions. But, anyhow you hve no choice but to be part of Iraq.

I did not say Iran is going to come after you in Iraq. I said you safeguard and let Mossad in, then the GOV. OF IRAQ will deal with you. It is not as you wish. That little satan is working against the interests of the entire Iraqi population using Kurdish region as a base. One example is the case of Hashemi, that killer is being protected in Kurdistan because the Zionists asked some of their agents to do so. The Iraqi government will eventually say enough is enough... as it said when it came to the sale of oil... it warned that any oil contract should go through central government and that Hashemi must be handed over.

PEJAK/PKK are terrorist-Marxist movements, they have nothing to do with Kurds... They were successful enough to fool only 'a few' thousand Kurds from tens of millions in 3 different countries.. They are a failed cause. You saw what happened some months ago when you let the PKK in, then the Turkish warplanes pounded you daily, until you asked for forgiveness.

[Shamali]

Noah-, on 13 March 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Stop BS plz.. you little hater. Now you are telling me that Kurds have better living conditions in Iraq than Iran? Because a few western firms came in and made direct deals with a few puppets? What about life conditions? The lastest news I read is that majority of Kurds in Iraq are supper angry over living conditions. But, anyhow you hve no choice but to be part of Iraq.

I did not say Iran is going to come after you in Iraq. I said you safeguard and let Mossad in, then the GOV. OF IRAQ will deal with you. It is not as you wish. That little satan is working against the interests of the entire Iraqi population using Kurdish region as a base. One example is the case of Hashemi, that killer is being protected in Kurdistan because the Zionists asked some of their agents to do so. The Iraqi government will eventually say enough is enough... as it said when it came to the sale of oil... it warned that any oil contract should go through central government and that Hashemi must be handed over.

PEJAK/PKK are terrorist-Marxist movements, they have nothing to do with Kurds... They were successful enough to fool only 'a few' thousand Kurds from tens of millions in 3 different countries.. They are a failed cause. You saw what happened some months ago when you let the PKK in, then the Turkish warplanes pounded you daily, until you asked for forgiveness.

The central Iraqi government is absolutely powerless to implement its will on Iraqi Kurdistan. The KRG just signed a contract worth billions of dollars with Exon-Mobile, and the central government could not do anything about it. Their are peshmerga in disputed territories all over Iraq, and the central government cannot do anything about it. Iraqi Kurds are not like Kurds in Turkey, Syria and Iran, they are powerful, and serve as a beacon for Kurdish nationalism. And Yes Hashimi is safe in Iraqi Kurdistan, and any Sunni leader, seeking to escape prosecution from the Iranian puppet government in Baghdad, is welcome to come to Iraqi Kurdistan for refuge. And once again, their is nothing Baghdad can do about it. We will do business with whomever we like, rather it be European, American, or even Israeli companies. That is none of your business.

And regarding the PKK. Turkey has been fighting the PKK since the 70's to no avail. So do you really think they will ever be able to defeat them? Turkey is slowly but surely reforming its Kurdish policies, and it wont be long before they reach a negotiated settlement with the PKK. Especially since the whole region is changing for the better.

Edited by Shamali, 13 March 2012 - 11:29 AM.

[Noah-]

Shamali, on 13 March 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

The central Iraqi government is absolutely powerless to implement its will on Iraqi Kurdistan. The KRG just signed a contract worth billions of dollars with Exon-Mobile, and the central government could not do anything about it. Their are peshmerga in disputed territories all over Iraq, and the central government cannot do anything about it. Iraqi Kurds are not like Kurds in Turkey, Syria and Iran, they are powerful, and serve as a beacon for Kurdish nationalism. And Yes Hashimi is safe in Iraqi Kurdistan, and any Sunni leader, seeking to escape prosecution from the Iranian puppet government in Baghdad, is welcome to come to Iraqi Kurdistan for refuge. And once again, their is nothing Baghdad can do about it. We will do business with whomever we like, rather it be European, American, or even Israeli companies. That is none of your business.

LOL yea, everything is perfect in your world and in Kurdistan as you dreamed it last night. We will see who is going to win... the so called neo-Zion Kurdish puppets or the Iraqi government... even the Kurdish main parties are not for trash talks that you are presenting here and they are with the so called Iranian puppets in Baghdad... If Maliki not being a Saudi puppet makes him Iranian one, then your Kurdish leaders are way attached to Iran and then we can call them direct Iranian puppets.

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And regarding the PKK. Turkey has been fighting the PKK since the 70's to no avail. So do you really think they will ever be able to defeat them? Turkey is slowly but surely reforming its Kurdish policies, and it wont be long before they reach a negotiated settlement with the PKK. Especially since the whole region is changing for the better.

Ohhh OK... your great PKK coming out every 8 months going to a village killing a few families or attacking a few soldiers while they are out of duty really makes it a '40 years old' struggle. Let them fight at least like Houthis, Hizb, or other groups then we can decide if they are 'fighting' and if Turkey can take care of them or not.

Those who hide in 3 seasons in different countries or mountain holes and then come out with some Burqas to plant an explosion, should be defeated? They are like theives.. Any country ever defeated theives? Whenever they see one, then they can catch one... Turkey's reform on Kurds do not mean accepting PKK, they have nothing to do with PKK.

[Shamali]

Noah-, on 13 March 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

LOL yea, everything is perfect in your world and in Kurdistan as you dreamed it last night. We will see who is going to win... the so called neo-Zion Kurdish puppets or the Iraqi government... even the Kurdish main parties are not for trash talks that you are presenting here and they are with the so called Iranian puppets in Baghdad... If Maliki not being a Saudi puppet makes him Iranian one, then your Kurdish leaders are way attached to Iran and then we can call them direct Iranian puppets.



Ohhh OK... your great PKK coming out every 8 months going to a village killing a few families or attacking a few soldiers while they are out of duty really makes it a '40 years old' struggle. Let them fight at least like Houthis, Hizb, or other groups then we can decide if they are 'fighting' and if Turkey can take care of them or not.

Those who hide in 3 seasons in different countries or mountain holes and then come out with some Burqas to plant an explosion, should be defeated? They are like theives.. Any country ever defeated theives? Whenever they see one, then they can catch one... Turkey's reform on Kurds do not mean accepting PKK, they have nothing to do with PKK.

The KRG will do everything in its power to ensure that Iraq does not return to a dictatorship. Our new little Saddam Maliki will never be able to oppress Iraqi's as his former colleague. The KRG will welcome anyone seeking protection from the new dictatorship in Iraq. And if Baghdad wants to try and impose it's will, they are free to try. FYI I personally as an Iraqi Kurd do not mind our region becoming the front against Iranian and Shia hegemony in the region. And if that means hosting Iran's enemies then so be it.

I do not support the PKK. But I know that their primary target is not civilians. Unlike Hezbollah which launches katayushas against entire civilian populations. And what made you deicide to mention the Houthis? Because they are "Shia." They are also supported by the state-sponsor of terrorism, Iran.

[Noah-]

Shamali, on 13 March 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

The KRG will do everything in its power to ensure that Iraq does not return to a dictatorship. Our new little Saddam Maliki will never be able to oppress Iraqi's as his former colleague. The KRG will welcome anyone seeking protection from the new dictatorship in Iraq. And if Baghdad wants to try and impose it's will, they are free to try. FYI I personally as an Iraqi Kurd do not mind our region becoming the front against Iranian and Shia hegemony in the region. And if that means hosting Iran's enemies then so be it.

I do not support the PKK. But I know that their primary target is not civilians. Unlike Hezbollah which launches katayushas against entire civilian populations. And what made you deicide to mention the Houthis? Because they are "Shia." They are also supported by the state-sponsor of terrorism, Iran.

Who gives a F if you want to build anti-Shia networks and support another Saddam... Maliki is the elected PM of Iraq whom was chosen by majority, including the Kurdish parties...

Now you just express everything on the basis of your personal hatred towards Shias... In my entire life I never read or heard of these things from Kurds that you want to present here. I don't believe you are a true Kurd... just another loser like Higgins who once pretend to be Iraqi, then Palestinian, then from India.

IRAN SUPPORTS ANYTHING IT WISHES. You and your little daddies in the West cannot do anything about it. Those elements in Kurdistan who want to build spying centers in Kurdistan will have to deal with 4 countries intelligence and military units...

Hizb punished you and your masters in your backs, same with our BROTHERS Houthis who now control major cities with 150,000 armed followers against Zionist and Saudi puppets.

If Shias were after dictatorship, they would have asked Sadr to go across Iraq and massacre every single Sunni... but as you see that even after Americans pulled out, all of your propaganda of Sadr running militias and will kill this and that were plain lies.. We in Shia Islam will never allow dictators. But, if Sunnis try to impose another dictator on Shias in Iraq, then he must runaway like a 'rat' to Kurdistan to be protected by Zionist agents.. even there this little terrorist will never remain in peace, mark my words.

Also, do not pretend to be living in Kurdistan... I can tell from your wordings and use of language that you never been to Kurdistan, but grown up under the influence of some Zionist media.

[bolbol]

This is not worth derailing the thread for a NATO rat.

If you are really confident, make your own thread.

Edited by bolbol, 13 March 2012 - 09:47 PM.

[Al-Mufeed]

As a Fayli Kurd - I am very proud that my tribe is the largest in Ilam province (a province in western Iran), making it one of the largest in the country, and we are proud of our Shia - Islamic identity, we also take pride in being descendants of Amir al Mumineen through Abulfadhlul Abbas. I speak my native langauge, and I enjoy many aspects of my native culture - but I am proud of having my heritage be from a nation - The Islamic Republic of Iran - which fought with great sacrifice to establish a state based on Islamic ideals (regardless of any issues i have with specific policies, individuals in the government or particular government actions) - on principle I would rather stand with IR than any "kurdish" based movement.

My family lived in Iraq for two generations and they were forced to flea the country due to Saddam, and they returned back to Iran. Having seen what Saddam did to us for being Iranian shia kurds - I can tell you that any so called "abuse" the Islamic Republic is doing of kurds is laughable in comparison, and I would take that any day 10000x over.


Brother Shomali - I know where you are coming from, you feel that all these other ethnic groups and countries have hurt your people very much. My father was very much in to kurdish nationalism as well when he was younger (although he doesnt care that much for it any more), and yes its true many countries and groups - especially Iraqi Arabs and Turks have hurt kurds very badly, but dont allow your self to become blinded and make the focus of your life your ethnicity/language. Having some love for your background is a good thing - Hub Al Watan min al iman - love for your nation is from faith, its good that you care about the well being of your fellow Kurds, but dont let it blind you from whats really important. Remember language and ethnicity - should not be your focus in life. What really matters is your ideology and your beliefs.

[The Canuck]

Bro Shamali: Please show me where did Kurds pour into the streets and support Saddam? There are no kurdish songs for Saddam, and you'll never see kurdish people pouring into the streets to support Saddam,  you gotta be completely delusional to be comparing this.

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We are NOT Iranian people. We are Mesopotamian, and DNA tests prove so. Our language may be "classified" as part of the Iranian branch, but as an ethnicity we are NOT Iranian. Any Kurd who says he is Iranian is a tool.

You're not part of the Iranian people, but your identity is more suitable after a Greek name?  Tell me how do you say "you" and "I" and what is a peshmarga?  They are Farsi words (same in Kurdish).  Kurds in Iran have a long history, same as other people in Iran.  


You seem to downplay Turkey's role with the Kurds, and you say you don't support the PKK. Every single Iraqi kurd I've met supports the PKK.  And nobody cares about the Iraqi shia's or Maliki (no Iraqi kurds that is). But you seem to be bent on Syria and anything anti-shia and anti-Iran.  Not normal issues for an Iraqi kurd...very odd.

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Eastern Kurdistan is OCCUPIED by Iran, the Kurds there have no choice but to be Iranian. Even though they are treated as second class citizens. You think the PKK/PEJAK recognize this little artificial border the West carved up?

PJAK is a small group, tiny, they don't even get popular support by the Iranian kurds.  Why would you mention PKK?  PKK have nothing to do with Iran, they are a Kurdish group in Turkey.

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Turkey is slowly but surely reforming its Kurdish policies, and it wont be long before they reach a negotiated settlement with the PKK. Especially since the whole region is changing for the better.

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I do not support the PKK.

So let me get this straight, you claim to be an Iraqi Kurd.  But you seem to be really confident that Turkey will have no problems with Kurds, that they will surely come to a deal and everybody there will be happy.  You also don't support the PKK.  Yet Turkey bombs and goes into Iraqi Kurdistan quite frequently.  (you are showing that you actually have no clue at all about Kurds in Turkey, the situation and history of conflict).  You think Kurds sang songs for Saddam and poured into the streets and supported him as well.  You think the Kurdish identity should be the Greek name Mesopatamian.  You don't mind doing business with Israel or USA, where as in 1988 it was the USA that tried to deny and hide the Halabja massacre by Pan-Arab Ba'athists, only to later change their stance when it suited them.  Not only this, but now that Iraqi's voted in majority for a government, because they are shia , they do not have the right to be making the majority decisions in Iraq, mind you they are the majority!  Every Iraqi shia I've met cared about Iraq, they care about their country.  You on the other hand are just whining about anti-shia, anti-Maliki, anti-Iran (shia).  Or anything that's anti-Iranian even "culturally".

Hmmm I smell a phony.

Edited by Mujahid, 14 March 2012 - 02:13 AM.