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[Ugly Jinn]

Replicant, on 10 March 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

It wasn't meant in an offensive way. 'Bakri' means goat in Urdu, so that is what was meant.

What a lame reply.

I wonder how Shias would feel if Sunnis gave an animal nickname to Lady Fatima?

And repeated your quote "It wasn't meant in an offensive way. _______ means <insert animal name> in Urdu, so that is what was meant."

I doubt you'd like that, nor the masses.

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 11 March 2012 - 03:59 AM.

[Ace Abbas]

Ugly Jinn, on 11 March 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

What a lame reply.

I wonder how Shias would feel if Sunnis gave an animal nickname to Lady Fatima?

And repeated your quote "It wasn't meant in an offensive way. _______ means <insert animal name> in Urdu, so that is what was meant."

I doubt you'd like that, nor the masses.

We won't give an animal nickname to Fatimah az-Zahra . Astaghfirullah.

[Khadim uz Zahra]

Ace Abbas, on 11 March 2012 - 12:52 AM, said:

Who say that we don't follow Imam Ali ? There are 41 (some say 44) turuq in Sunni Sufism. And 40 of them (some say 43) are linked to Imam Ali . Only one of them, which is Naqshbandi order is linked to Abu Bakr as-Siddiq .

He is referring to the fact that Sunnis - as a whole and not just Wahabis - look up to Abu Bakr more than they follow Imam Ali . According to Sunnis, Imam Ali is, at most, 3rd highest in the Sahaba, after Abu Bakr and Umar. There is obviously more reliance on Abu Bakr by the Sunnis, than on Imam Ali , although you do respect him.

Ugly Jinn, on 11 March 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

What a lame reply. I wonder how Shias would feel if Sunnis gave an animal nickname to Lady Fatima? And repeated your quote "It wasn't meant in an offensive way. _______ means  in Urdu, so that is what was meant." I doubt you'd like that, nor the masses.

Ace Abbas, on 11 March 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

We won't give an animal nickname to Fatimah az-Zahra . Astaghfirullah.

Firstly, he was not the one who had said it. It was Jugniii Jiii, who is just a playful paki so you should not take it seriously. Secondly, the ones who named them this, Yassir al-Habib and co., are not Urdu speakers so I don't even think they know that it means goat in Urdu. Although I don't like the one who gave this name, let me say that he did not call them "Bakris" because he wanted to ridicule them and call them goats but because he wanted to call them followers of Abu Bakr. Whether or not this is right is a different issue altogether but the fact of the matter is: he was not calling them goats.

Another thing is that the way he pronounces is "Baaaakris" (with an alif after the ba) while in Urdu it is just "Bakri" (without alif).

[Ali_Hussain]

Ace Abbas, on 10 March 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

So that what you call us after we call you Rafidis eh?
Lol this is somehow funny though.

Muntaqim Force, on 10 March 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

Just look at you own quote and you will realize how unfair you guys are with shias. Forexample you guys follow Abu Bakr after Prophet (as conflict starts after prophet s.a.w) so we call you Bakri but we follow Imam Ali a.s and instead of calling us shias you people impose 'rafadhi' label on us for not taking your leaders after prophet s.a.w!!!

Just one simple question, out of all those names Bakris, Shias, Rafidhi, Salafi, Wahabi, which one was used by Prophet s.a.w for group of muslims in history!!!? (common history not one sided). Answer please

He (Abu Bassir referred to by the Imam as abu Muhammad) said: “May Allah make me your sacrifice. We have been called with a name due to which our backs have been broken, our hearts have been dead, and the governors have deemed lawful to kill us—all for a narration that their scholars have related.”
The Imam (a) said: “You mean Rafidah, do you not?”
He answered: “Yes, I do.”
The Imam (a) said: “No, by Allah. It was not they who named you so. It was, in fact, Allah Who chose this name for you. O Abu Mohammed, have you not known that there were seventy men among the Israelites who rejected the Pharaoh and his people when their deviation had been proved to them? Accordingly, they joined Moses (a) when they knew his having been the right party. Because they rejected the Pharaoh, the party of Moses called them the Rafidah –the rejecters-. They were the best worshippers among the individuals of the party of Moses. Besides, they were the most affectionate of Moses, Aaron, and their descendants.
Then, Allah, Powerful and Majestic is He, ordered Moses, by way of revelation, to record this name for those people in the Torah, for He has chosen it for them. Moses (a) did. Allah then saved this name so as to use it for you.
O Abu Mohammed, the others rejected the good and you have rejected the evil and held fast on the good.
As people went in various directions and separated into different sects, you went in with the household of your Prophet Mohammed (s). You thus opted for what Allah has opted, chosen what Allah has chosen, and wanted what Allah has wanted.
Enjoy the good tidings. Surely, enjoy the good tidings. You are, by Allah, the compassioned ones whose righteous deeds will be accepted and wrongdoings will be overlooked. For him whoever does not come to Allah, on the Day of Resurrection, with the same beliefs that you have, his good deeds will not be accepted and his wrongdoings will not be overlooked.

al-sadooq, fadhaail al-shi'a, hadith 18

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

I only became aware that Sunnis were called Bakris from visiting this website. At first glance, I thought it was in reference to those UK salafis who followed Omar Bakri o_o

[Ace Abbas]

Propaganda_of_the_Deed, on 11 March 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

I only became aware that Sunnis were called Bakris from visiting this website. At first glance, I thought it was in reference to those UK salafis who followed Omar Bakri o_o

Lol. I don't even know who that guy is.

[Replicant]

Ugly Jinn, on 11 March 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

What a lame reply.

I wonder how Shias would feel if Sunnis gave an animal nickname to Lady Fatima?

And repeated your quote "It wasn't meant in an offensive way. _______ means <insert animal name> in Urdu, so that is what was meant."

I doubt you'd like that, nor the masses.

Bakri, in terms of being a follower of Abu Bakr, is not an Urdu word.
It's just a coincidence that in Urdu, it means goat. Jugnii didn't know the OP was referring to Bakri in terms of being an Abu Bakr follower.
That is all I was saying.

Change the word to 'Umari' instead (follower of Umar). That means something to do with 'age' in Urdu.
Or is that offensive too?

Edited by Replicant, 11 March 2012 - 09:06 AM.

[_JuGNii]

Badsoorat Jinn (ugly jinn) .. Dude if you find things so offensive and are so sensitive might wanna change your nickname before I start

and read before you start replying to random posts.. you might actually start to make some sense..

[Ugly Jinn]

Replicant, on 11 March 2012 - 09:00 AM, said:

Bakri, in terms of being a follower of Abu Bakr, is not an Urdu word.
It's just a coincidence that in Urdu, it means goat. Jugnii didn't know the OP was referring to Bakri in terms of being an Abu Bakr follower.
That is all I was saying.

Change the word to 'Umari' instead (follower of Umar). That means something to do with 'age' in Urdu.
Or is that offensive too?

There are Indians/Pakistanis who use it literally also. The convo goes like this...

Confused Person X: Why do you say Bakri?
Paki: Because he was a goat.
Confused Person X: What do you mean a goat? Like the animal?
Paki: Yes, like the animal roaming around
Confused Person X: But I still don't get it. He was a goat and so?
Paki: He was a goat roaming around that should've been sacrificed on Eid.

_JuGNii, on 11 March 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Badsoorat Jinn (ugly jinn) .. Dude if you find things so offensive and are so sensitive might wanna change your nickname before I start

and read before you start replying to random posts.. you might actually start to make some sense..

If I was sensitive you'd think I'll name myself 'Ugly'.

[Replicant]

Ugly Jinn, on 11 March 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

There are Indians/Pakistanis who use it literally also. The convo goes like this...

Confused Person X: Why do you say Bakri?
Paki: Because he was a goat.
Confused Person X: What do you mean a goat? Like the animal?
Paki: Yes, like the animal roaming around
Confused Person X: But I still don't get it. He was a goat and so?
Paki: He was a goat roaming around that should've been sacrificed on Eid.

Well, I don't and I don't know many people that do.
Bakri = follower of Abu Bakr.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Edited by Replicant, 11 March 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[Ugly Jinn]

Replicant, on 11 March 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Nothing more, nothing less.

Let's not be gullible. There's a negative connotation to the word (I'm not even going to go into details, I'm sure you already know), hence the word created by Shias', not Sunnis'.

So when when you say "nothing more, nothing less", that's a totally incorrect.

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 11 March 2012 - 04:06 PM.

[Replicant]

Ugly Jinn, on 11 March 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Let's not be gullible. There's a negative connotation to the word (I'm not even going to go into details, I'm sure you already know), hence the word created by Shias', not Sunnis'.

So when when you say "nothing more, nothing less", that's a totally incorrect.

The term 'Bakri' wasn't created by Pakistanis or Urdu-speakers. So your allegation that it was deliberately made with the connotation of 'goat', or something else, does not work.

The first, and only, person I've seen use it Yasir Habib and his gang. It's trended from there.
To my knowledge, the reason people are using this term now is because they believe today's 'Sunnis' aren't real Sunnis. A real Sunni is someone who follows the Prophet .

So this term 'Bakri' came about in order to distinguish the two. Hard to explain, but you can see what I mean here:
http://en.wikipedia....kris_and_Batris

Edited by Replicant, 11 March 2012 - 04:15 PM.

[_JuGNii]

Hence I said if you're so sensitive might wanna change your name from ugly to summit else.. coz youre acting sensitive.. coz I didn't say it in the sense youve directed this conversation into.. youre surely one of those as they say "Baat ka batangar banana" and youve just repeated my point read my comment again .. AGAIN..!

[Khadim uz Zahra]

EndlessEndeavor, on 11 March 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

A ridiculous name that has been created by a certain group of people who are just here to incite discord and enmity. Since when does our mathhab need to resort to name-calling. All those that are saying it doesn't have a negative connotation are kidding themselves. It was created as a derogatory slur against Sunni muslims, much like the Salafi sect call us Rawafid.

Of course, it does have negative connotations but what Replicant is trying to say is that these negative connotations are not related to "goats"!

[Replicant]

I genuinely want to know what these negative connotations are. Someone please tell me.
Because if I was a Sunni, I wouldn't be offended at being called a 'follower of Abu Bakr'. I'd be proud of it.

[Khadim uz Zahra]

EndlessEndeavor, on 11 March 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

That is missing the point; Much like we are often proud to be called rawafid, it does not mean it is not have derogatory connotations. The fact is there is no need to call them names which they do not call themselves. I have yet to meet Sunnis that say call themselves Bakris so certainly I will not label them with such a term. The people who created this name are just sowing the seeds of hatred as per usual.

Well, there are some who are proud of being Rawafid; refer to that hadith someone posted above.

[Ugly Jinn]

_JuGNii, on 11 March 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Hence I said if you're so sensitive might wanna change your name from ugly to summit else.. coz youre acting sensitive.. coz I didn't say it in the sense youve directed this conversation into.. youre surely one of those as they say "Baat ka batangar banana" and youve just repeated my point read my comment again .. AGAIN..!

But my first post was never directed to you.

Why you being mean to me.

Replicant, on 11 March 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

The term 'Bakri' wasn't created by Pakistanis or Urdu-speakers. So your allegation that it was deliberately made with the connotation of 'goat', or something else, does not work.

The first, and only, person I've seen use it Yasir Habib and his gang. It's trended from there.
To my knowledge, the reason people are using this term now is because they believe today's 'Sunnis' aren't real Sunnis. A real Sunni is someone who follows the Prophet .

So this term 'Bakri' came about in order to distinguish the two. Hard to explain, but you can see what I mean here:
http://en.wikipedia....kris_and_Batris

I've never said it was created by Pakistanis, I said it was created by Shias'.

Replicant, on 11 March 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

I genuinely want to know what these negative connotations are. Someone please tell me.
Because if I was a Sunni, I wouldn't be offended at being called a 'follower of Abu Bakr'. I'd be proud of it.

You answered your own question in the previous post. Because the word was created by Shias' to tell the Sunnis that you are not Sunnis, hence we created a new name for you. Isn't that enough?

Or you want to go in more detail...

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 11 March 2012 - 04:59 PM.

[Replicant]

OK, I get it.

[Thurston]

Thats the difference between us and the bakris. We find it an honour to be called after our 6th Imam but the bakris are embarrassed.

[Abu Muslim]

Thurston, on 11 March 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Thats the difference between us and the bakris. We find it an honour to be called after our 6th Imam but the bakris are embarrassed.

No, it's just that Sunnis don't want to blindly follow any personalities other than the Prophet SAW.

Edited by Abu Muslim, 11 March 2012 - 11:13 PM.

[Thurston]

Abu Muslim, on 11 March 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

No, it's just that Sunnis don't want to blindly follow any personalities other than the Prophet SAW.

The irony is not lost.

[Ugly Jinn]

Thurston, on 12 March 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

The irony is not lost.

It is lost, actually doesn't even exist. It's like comparing Biryani to Shawarma.

Sunnis consider Abu Bakr a fallible.
Shias consider 6th Imam an infallible (divine agent).

Hence a fundamental difference. But it shouldn't make sense to you, just stick to your interest "only Tabarra".

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 12 March 2012 - 03:42 PM.

[Aly ReZa]

tabbarra is a root of our relegion and will follow it
Understand u bakris