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[Ace Abbas]

Is it a Shia term referring to us?

[aliasghark]

Who is 'us'?

[Ace Abbas]

aliasghark, on 10 March 2012 - 06:19 AM, said:

Who is 'us'?

The Sunnis...?

[Khadim uz Zahra]

It is not really a Shia term but just applied by some who claim to be Shias.

It is much more used to refer to Wahabis but some do use it to refer to Sunnis as a whole.

Like I have said, it is not a Shia word and has, just recently, been coined by some...

[Replicant]

Someone who follows Abu Bakr.

[AlAbd AlThaleel]

Supposedly a way to call Sunnis by their cherished leader Abu Bakr, but to me it sounds a bit offensive.

[_JuGNii]

A Goat

[Quranist]

one who follows abi bakri

Edited by Replicant, 10 March 2012 - 07:48 AM.
Unnecessary pictures

[Ace Abbas]

_JuGNii, on 10 March 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

A Goat

A goat? Oh, is that the akhlaq of a Shi'i?

[Replicant]

Ace Abbas, on 10 March 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

A goat? Oh, is that the akhlaq of a Shi'i?

It wasn't meant in an offensive way. 'Bakri' means goat in Urdu, so that is what was meant.

Edited by Replicant, 10 March 2012 - 07:49 AM.

[siraatoaliyinhaqqun]

Well Abu bake has nothing to do with goats. ^^^

Aren't u proud to be Bakri (follower of Abu bake)?

[Ace Abbas]

siraatoaliyinhaqqun, on 10 March 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

Well Abu bake has nothing to do with goats. ^^^

Aren't u proud to be Bakri (follower of Abu bake)?

I'm a follower of Muhammad sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. Does that make me to be a, say, Muhammadi? No. I'm a Muslim.
Only Shia love to claim to be a Shi'i (the follower of Imam Ali ).
How superior is Imam Ali as compared to Rasulullah sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam?

[Righteous]

Ace Abbas, on 10 March 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

I'm a follower of Muhammad sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. Does that make me to be a, say, Muhammadi? No. I'm a Muslim.
Only Shia love to claim to be a Shi'i (the follower of Imam Ali ).
How superior is Imam Ali as compared to Rasulullah sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam?

we all would like to believe that we are truly following the religion of Mohammad ......We have chosen different ways/path to understand the religion....You follow Quran and Sunnah and we follow the Quran and the Ahlul Bayt.

No Shia will ever claim that ALi is superior to MOhammad when we state teh shahadat that he is the wasi ur rasool Allah.

However, you need to convince yourself about the source of sunnah since the sheikhan not only explicity banned and prohibited the recording of hadith, they burned whatever collection they had on themselves.

[_JuGNii]

Like someone explained it means a GOAT in urdu.. and i said it in a non offensive jokey way.. dint like it? tough luck.. it has nothing to do with akhlaq of SHIA.. that was my PERSONAL personality coz I mess around and joke around a lot..

Jeez give it a rest man..!

Ace Abbas, on 10 March 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

A goat? Oh, is that the akhlaq of a Shi'i?

[Ace Abbas]

_JuGNii, on 10 March 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

Like someone explained it means a GOAT in urdu.. and i said it in a non offensive jokey way.. dint like it? tough luck.. it has nothing to do with akhlaq of SHIA.. that was my PERSONAL personality coz I mess around and joke around a lot..

Jeez give it a rest man..!

Okay. I'm sorry. I took things seriously.

[_JuGNii]

Yeh thats right you will be

My first post in shia sunni forum as far as i know.. and this is what i get...

I might jus go kill someone now.. coz suicide is haram..!

[Ace Abbas]

_JuGNii, on 10 March 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

Yeh thats right you will be

My first post in shia sunni forum as far as i know.. and this is what i get...

I might jus go kill someone now.. coz suicide is haram..!

Say what? You've been on SC for like years already, and this is your first post on Shia/Sunni Dialogue?

[_JuGNii]

Yeh coz here a discussion always turns into ARGUMENTS.. half the topics make no sense what so ever they are just made for the sake of making a topic.. half are to hate.. and the rest are trying to learn but don't wanna adapt.. I'd rather not LITERALLY waste my little bit of knowledge I have..!

But each to their own.. I don't even go on other forums

I m mostly in sports or off-topic   

[570]

it is not a Shia term, it is yassir habib's term

[Muntaqim Force]

Whoever follow Abu Bakr after prophet s.a.w is bakri and who follows Imam Ali a.s is a Shia.

Bakris are muslims in this world only.

Shias are muslims in this world and hereafter too.

[Ace Abbas]

Muntaqim Force, on 10 March 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:

Whoever follow Abu Bakr after prophet s.a.w is bakri and who follows Imam Ali a.s is a Shia.

Bakris are muslims in this world only.

Shias are muslims in this world and hereafter too.

So that what you call us after we call you Rafidis eh?
Lol this is somehow funny though.

Sunnis claim themselves to be Sunnis because they say that they follow the sunnah of Rasulullah sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. But Shias disagree with that, so, Shias call them Bakris (the followers of Abu Bakr ).

Shias claim themselves to be Shias because they say that they follow Imam Ali . But Sunnis disagree with that, so, Sunnis call them Rafidis (those who reject; Abu Bakr , Umar and Uthman ).

Salafis claim themselves to be Salafis because they say that they follow the salafus soleh (the Sahabas). But we all disagree with that, so, we call them Wahhabis (the followers of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab).

Lol this is funny. Names are here and there.

[Muntaqim Force]

Ace Abbas, on 10 March 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

So that what you call us after we call you Rafidis eh?
Lol this is somehow funny though.

Sunnis claim themselves to be Sunnis because they say that they follow the sunnah of Rasulullah sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. But Shias disagree with that, so, Shias call them Bakris (the followers of Abu Bakr ).

Shias claim themselves to be Shias because they say that they follow Imam Ali . But Sunnis disagree with that, so, Sunnis call them Rafidis (those who reject; Abu Bakr , Umar and Uthman ).

Salafis claim themselves to be Salafis because they say that they follow the salafus soleh (the Sahabas). But we all disagree with that, so, we call them Wahhabis (the followers of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab).

Lol this is funny. Names are here and there.

Just look at you own quote and you will realize how unfair you guys are with shias. Forexample you guys follow Abu Bakr after Prophet (as conflict starts after prophet s.a.w) so we call you Bakri but we follow Imam Ali a.s and instead of calling us shias you people impose 'rafadhi' label on us for not taking your leaders after prophet s.a.w!!!

Just one simple question, out of all those names Bakris, Shias, Rafidhi, Salafi, Wahabi, which one was used by Prophet s.a.w for group of muslims in history!!!? (common history not one sided). Answer please

[Ace Abbas]

Muntaqim Force, on 10 March 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

Just look at you own quote and you will realize how unfair you guys are with shias. Forexample you guys follow Abu Bakr after Prophet (as conflict starts after prophet s.a.w) so we call you Bakri but we follow Imam Ali a.s and instead of calling us shias you people impose 'rafadhi' label on us for not taking your leaders after prophet s.a.w!!!

Just one simple question, out of all those names Bakris, Shias, Rafidhi, Salafi, Wahabi, which one was used by Prophet s.a.w for group of muslims in history!!!? (common history not one sided). Answer please

You always talk with emotions. Try not to do so.
Of course we are all Muslims.

[Aabiss_Shakari]

Ace Abbas, on 10 March 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

I'm a follower of Muhammad sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam. Does that make me to be a, say, Muhammadi? No. I'm a Muslim.
Only Shia love to claim to be a Shi'i (the follower of Imam Ali ).
How superior is Imam Ali as compared to Rasulullah sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam?

This is the problem a bakri can not be the follower of Muhammad pbuh because Muhammad pbuh never said that whoever followed Abu bakar, he followed me but in tens of his pbuh hadiths he persuaded us to follow Ali a.s. He said "ALI A.S IS TO ME AS HARUN A.S WAS TO MOSUS A.S". "ALI A.S IS FROM ME I AM FROM ALI A.S". "ALI A.S IS WITH QURAN, QURAN IS WITH ALI A.S". "ALI A.S IS WITH HAQ, HAQ IS WITH ALI A.S".
So safely we can say a follower of Ali a.s is follower of Muhammad p.b.u.h while a follower of Abu bakar can not be follower of Muhamad p.b.u.h. If he claims to be follower of Muhammad p.b.u.h then he can not be follower of Abu bakar because Muhammad p.b.u.h did not deprive a daughter from her inheritance or Muhammad p.b.u.h never imposed a battle for Zakat.

[Ace Abbas]

Aabiss_Shakari, on 11 March 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

This is the problem a bakri can not be the follower of Muhammad pbuh because Muhammad pbuh never said that whoever followed Abu bakar, he followed me but in tens of his pbuh hadiths he persuaded us to follow Ali a.s. He said "ALI A.S IS TO ME AS HARUN A.S WAS TO MOSUS A.S". "ALI A.S IS FROM ME I AM FROM ALI A.S". "ALI A.S IS WITH QURAN, QURAN IS WITH ALI A.S". "ALI A.S IS WITH HAQ, HAQ IS WITH ALI A.S".
So safely we can say a follower of Ali a.s is follower of Muhammad p.b.u.h while a follower of Abu bakar can not be follower of Muhamad p.b.u.h. If he claims to be follower of Muhammad p.b.u.h then he can not be follower of Abu bakar because Muhammad p.b.u.h did not deprive a daughter from her inheritance or Muhammad p.b.u.h never imposed a battle for Zakat.

Who say that we don't follow Imam Ali ? There are 41 (some say 44) turuq in Sunni Sufism. And 40 of them (some say 43) are linked to Imam Ali . Only one of them, which is Naqshbandi order is linked to Abu Bakr as-Siddiq .