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[Goku]

Does Israel know that there are over 20 synagogues in the city of Tehran, Iran???

[570]

Sure, but if the subject you asked was Israelis, i'm not sure

[Taha Shoeb]

Maybe they will drop their missiles on those 20 pieces when they try to infiltrate.

[hussainmehdi]

Jews, for centuries, have been living under the shelter of Christians and Muslims,
Those, who lived under the Christian rule, have changed,
Those, who lived under the Muslim rule, have changed too,

In both situations, Jews used to stand by the Christian or Muslim ruler with showing allegiance to them,

When Christian or Muslim leader announces: “we support you Jews”
Then Jews stand up and clap their hands!!!

Does it make any sense???
This attitude undermines Jews’ status in society,
This attitude is disgusting for Jews, do you think so???

Let’s evaluate this posture,

When Jews stand by Muslims and show allegiance to get support from them,
Then Christians immediately get angry and start telling each other that:
“See! Didn’t I tell you that Jews are untrustworthy?”!!!

When Jews stand by Christians and show allegiance to get support from them,
Then Muslims immediately get angry and start telling each other that:
“See! Didn’t I tell you that Jews are untrustworthy?”!!!

So, by showing such posture, Jews become ‘untrustworthy’ in both Christian and Muslim community,
And as naturally Jews are part of divine religions,
And as Christians and Muslims have large populations,
So, the common understanding between Christians and Muslims emerges as: “Jews are untrustworthy”!!!

Is that good for Jews???
Is that???
This posture undermines whole Jews community,

For example:
Jews of Iran support Iranians and Iranian government,
Jews of Iran do not stand by strangers and beg support!!!
This shows that Jews of Iran are much more independent and have confident personality,

But, when people see a leader of a country of Jews travels miles away from own lands and stand by a representative of another country to hear “we support you” then this seems amazing,

There is a Persian saying: “strangers are not trustworthy”,

Strangers are strangers, no matter how closeness they show,
Never trust their words,

You know?
King of Iran Reza Shah used to do same things,
He used to travel routinely miles away on another lands to hear: “we support you Shah”!!!
People never liked his posture,
People’s indifference with him increased as his travels for begging support from abroad increased,

The king never tried to hear people,
He always travelled abroad to hear: “we support you Shah” from strangers,

And then one day, he the king himself became ‘landless’!!!
Holocaust is a signature of authenticity that strangers are liars,

Never find some portion to eat from an expired food.

[Aarash_Australia]

Goku, on 04 March 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

Does Israel know that there are over 20 synagogues in the city of Tehran, Iran???

the answer to your question is yes, obviously.

there is something like a quarter of a million Iranian/Persian Jews in Israel.

[hussainmehdi]

Quarter of million Iranians in Israel???
And yet people do not see an Iranian Revolution there???

A revolution that kicks out beggars,
A revolution that is neither slave of east nor slave of west,
A revolution that establishes a fully independent country based on justice and love.

[Ugly Jinn]

From what I know (unless something has changed), Jews/Christians cannot build any new Synagogues/Churches, it's against the law. The ones present right now existed before the Islamic Revolution, and the governement decided not to tear them down or switch them to mosques.

I remember there were couple of exceptions because of loopholes and the small scale of it, one school hall was modified into a church or something like that.

Basically, if you want to construct a new Synagogues/Churches, it's not going to happen. But their population is so small (many migrated after the revolution) it's really not an issue "I think".

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 04 March 2012 - 03:55 PM.

[Aarash_Australia]

Ugly Jinn, on 04 March 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

From what I know (unless something has changed), Jews/Christians cannot build any new Synagogues/Churches, it's against the law. The ones present right now existed before the Islamic Revolution, and the governement decided not to tear them down or switch them to mosques.

I remember there were couple of exceptions because of loopholes, one school was modified into a church or something like that.

Basically, if you want to construct a new Synagogues/Churches, it's not going to happen. But their population is so small it's really not an issue.

Also, Muslim families now live in what used to be two Jewish synagogues in Yazd.

[baradar_jackson]

Aarash_Australia, on 04 March 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

there is something like a quarter of a million Iranian/Persian Jews in Israel.

With the "asylum" money they offer, there should be even more.

But the Jews who have remained in Iran are honorable and patriotic people. They chose their homeland over the asylum money.

[Aarash_Australia]

baradar_jackson, on 04 March 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

With the "asylum" money they offer, there should be even more.

But the Jews who have remained in Iran are honorable and patriotic people. They chose their homeland over the asylum money.

You really know that many Persian Jews?

Wow, I'm impressed.

[ShiaBen]

The neighborhood my mom grew up in Tehran use to be where most of the Jewish community lived in Tehran during the shah's time. The Yusef Abad area.

I remember she had a story about her neighbors/friends, and how the two daughters didn't want to move to Israel, but it was their parents call not theirs lol.

[Ugly Jinn]

Aarash_Australia, on 04 March 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Also, Muslim families now live in what used to be two Jewish synagogues in Yazd.

Yeah. I know some synagogues/churches were turned into mosques. In all fairness though, many of them were abandoned because the Jews/Christians left the country, so it made sense to switch it to a mosque.

baradar_jackson, on 04 March 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

With the "asylum" money they offer, there should be even more.

But the Jews who have remained in Iran are honorable and patriotic people. They chose their homeland over the asylum money.

And yet you chose the West to make a better living/opportunity than your homeland....but the 85% of the Jews living in Iran that migrated are traitors...go figure

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 04 March 2012 - 04:27 PM.

[ShiaBen]

Ugly Jinn, on 04 March 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

Yeah. I know some synagogues/churches were turned into mosques. In all fairness though, many of them were abandoned because they left the country, so it made sense to switch it to a mosque.




And you chose the West to make a better living than your homeland....but the 85% of the Jews living in Iran that migrated are traitors.... go figure

He's not referring to himself, he's referring to the difference between the Jews that stayed and the Jews that left.

[Aarash_Australia]

ShiaBen, on 04 March 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

He's not referring to himself, he's referring to the difference between the Jews that stayed and the Jews that left.

No he is not referring to himself, but he betrays himself and shows himself to be a massive hypocrite.

[ShiaBen]

Hmm yeah I get what you mean.

We should put an end to these "traitor" labels when it comes to people moving abroad.

Its getting kind of silly. Especially since an X amount of people leave countries because of financial difficulties, educational opportunities, etc. not because they are Westernized or hate Iran or other countries. Agreed.

Edited by ShiaBen, 04 March 2012 - 04:41 PM.

[baradar_jackson]

@ Arash and others

I never accused anyone of being a traitor. My post was two lines; it doesn't take that long to read it. I didn't use the word traitor.

And I never suggested that I would NOT take the asylum money if I were in their position.  I have never been in their position, so I do not know. I am merely pointing out that many Jews in Iran choose to stay in Iran rather than take the asylum money offered by Israel, and that this is an honorable choice.

If you want to read more things into that, then do whatever.

You wannabe intellectuals consider "ad hominen" or whatever to be a fallacy but you guys use it all the time.

[Ugly Jinn]

Let's not play dumb here. You clearly stated "But the Jews who have remained in Iran are honorable and patriotic people. They chose their homeland over the asylum money."

What do you call a dishonorable, unpatriotic citizen, who betrays their homeland for money?

Obviously, according to you, the Jews left cause of the money only because you failed to mention about the conditions they were living in after the revolution.

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 04 March 2012 - 05:09 PM.

[Lanatin]

Ugly Jinn, on 04 March 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Let's not play dumb here. You clearly stated "But the Jews who have remained in Iran are honorable and patriotic people. They chose their homeland over the asylum money."

What do you call a dishonorable, unpatriotic citizen, who betrays their homeland for money?

Obviously, according to you, the Jews left cause of the money only because you failed to mention about the conditions they were living in after the revolution.

Having a seat in the iranian parliament, establishing an accredited hospital in Tehran, owning local retailers...is certainly a reflection of the worrying conditions the jews have had to go through.

Edited by La'nat Ma Man, 04 March 2012 - 05:19 PM.

[Aarash_Australia]

La, on 04 March 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Having a seat in the iranian parliament, establishing an accredited hospital in Tehran, owning local retailers...is certainly a reflection of the worrying conditions the jews have had to go through.

they moved for the same reasons everyone else of the middle-class did: economics.

[Lanatin]

Aarash_Australia, on 04 March 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

they moved for the same reasons everyone else of the middle-class did: economics.

That is true.

[John Al-Ameli]

I saw an article, where some Jews were saying, the Islamic Revolution in Iran benefited the Jews in Iran as well, because they became more religious.

[Ugly Jinn]

La, on 04 March 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Having a seat in the iranian parliament, establishing an accredited hospital in Tehran, owning local retailers...is certainly a reflection of the worrying conditions the jews have had to go through.

Yet 85% of Jews still left Iran, many of them wealthy leaving property/wealth behind. I wonder why they would do that given the great things you've listed

I'm not going to even mention mass migrations of other religious folks and Shias.

"On the eve of the Islamic Revolution in 1979, 80,000 Jews lived in Iran. In the wake of the upheaval, tens of thousands of Jews, especially the wealthy, left the country, leaving behind vast amounts of property."

http://www.jewishvir...m/iranjews.html


"Before the revolution, Jews were well-represented among Iran's business elite, holding key posts in the oil industry, banking and law, as well as in the traditional bazaar. The wave of anti-Israeli sentiment that swept Iran during the revolution, as well as large-scale confiscations of private wealth, sent thousands of the more affluent Jews fleeing to the United States or Israel. Those remaining lived in fear of pogroms, or massacres."

http://www.sephardic...s.org/iran.html

Edited by Ugly Jinn, 04 March 2012 - 07:02 PM.

[Shamali]

Lets be honest here. The Iranian government does not mind Persian Jews, because they are a harmless tiny minority. But if Jewish Iranians formed a significant proportion of the Iranian population, Iran would of kicked them out, just as the Arabs countries did.

[ShiaBen]

Shamali, on 04 March 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

Lets be honest here. The Iranian government does not mind Persian Jews, because they are a harmless tiny minority. But if Jewish Iranians formed a significant proportion of the Iranian population, Iran would of kicked them out, just as the Arabs countries did.

Persian Jews and Iranian Jews, actually, are the same thing.

But as for staying/leaving a country. There are many reasons.

For regular Iranians lets take a look:

1. Some hate Islam and hijab
2. Some leave for educational and career opportunities (for some it becomes permanent, while for others they return)
3. Combination of many other reasons
4. Political reasons

For Iranian/Persian jews:

1. Some love Israel more than Iran. Even the ones that were wealthy in Iran, left for Israel during the shah's time. Like that famous Persian Jewish singer Rita I believe her name was called. And some of my mom's family friends during the shah's time.

2. Some Jews left because they hate Islam (this is more evident after 1979).

3. Some Jews left because of the same reasons as everyone else: educational and career opportunities.

But yeah of course there are always exceptions. In Iran or Afghanistan, there are some Jews who are poor and don't necessarily live in the best of conditions, but chose to stay because they are indeed proud of their nationality regardless of circumstances.

Edited by ShiaBen, 04 March 2012 - 07:13 PM.

[Lanatin]

Ugly Jinn, on 04 March 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Yet 85% of Jews still left Iran, many of them wealthy leaving property/wealth behind. I wonder why they would do that given the great things you've listed

I'm not going to even mention mass migrations of other religious folks and Shias.

"On the eve of the Islamic Revolution in 1979, 80,000 Jews lived in Iran. In the wake of the upheaval, tens of thousands of Jews, especially the wealthy, left the country, leaving behind vast amounts of property."

http://www.jewishvir...m/iranjews.html


"Before the revolution, Jews were well-represented among Iran's business elite, holding key posts in the oil industry, banking and law, as well as in the traditional bazaar. The wave of anti-Israeli sentiment that swept Iran during the revolution, as well as large-scale confiscations of private wealth, sent thousands of the more affluent Jews fleeing to the United States or Israel. Those remaining lived in fear of pogroms, or massacres."

http://www.sephardic...s.org/iran.html

Economic factors certainly did play a role in the mass exodus of the Joos, but the fear of pogroms was certainly unwarranted